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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 18, 2019 18:46:17 GMT -5
I honestly believe Joey Ryan's act might turn a lot of people off of the product for any mainstream purposes.
It's divisive even within wrestling fandom. Hope this doesn't end up pigeonholing them as the "this shit" in the nonfan quote we've often heard of "wrestling, you watch this shit?"
I like him and the goofiness he brings but it certainly is a niche within a niche within a niche.
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Post by Convoy on Jan 18, 2019 18:46:59 GMT -5
One positive I'll say about LU is how they used Joey Ryan. He was sleazy and funny, but without the dick stuff for the most part. Though I think AEW would let him do the dick stuff anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 18:52:30 GMT -5
One positive I'll say about LU is how they used Joey Ryan. He was sleazy and funny, but without the dick stuff for the most part. Though I think AEW would let him do the dick stuff anyway. I don't see this as any confirmation that he has left LU...but more that he would not reup with them once his contract is up LU could have easily just done the dick stuff but they actually have done fairly interesting and different things with him. He had his unique schtick in aztec warfare with handcuffing himself to different places as a strategy He came in as an undercover sleezy cop and had a great 5.0 street fight with cortez And he was developing an interesting thing with XO lishus and had a ready made feud with Kross if season 5 happens
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Post by honsou on Jan 18, 2019 18:55:02 GMT -5
I think Joey Ryan is actually quite good at being the sleazy wrestler without doing the dick stuff. But honestly it feels like hes gotten really lazy about it and now just does dick stuff.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 18, 2019 19:46:35 GMT -5
I get that the dick stuff has been his money maker, so I won't begrudge him it, but I hope he tones it down like he did for LU. A lot of that shtick is more of a live-event kind of thing. Imagine how terrible a lot of CHIKARA bits would have played out on a TV show.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 18, 2019 20:13:09 GMT -5
I don't think they'd be able to get a good TV deal like they want when they have Famous Dick Wrestler Joey Ryan flipping people with his dick. And I think they're aware of that, if he really does come in in a broader sense. But the deals they're cutting woudl mean he'd probably be allowed to keep doing Bar Wrestling and such, so he'd find plenty of time to get in his dick wrestling. That'd be the hope, at least. Strike a good balance on it.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 18, 2019 20:16:35 GMT -5
I get that the dick stuff has been his money maker, so I won't begrudge him it, but I hope he tones it down like he did for LU. A lot of that shtick is more of a live-event kind of thing. Imagine how terrible a lot of CHIKARA bits would have played out on a TV show. And his LU 90`s sleazy cop stick was by far the most interesting he ever was
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 20:25:42 GMT -5
For those that have not watched the 5.0 street fight definetly seek out the full match it is a great example that Joey does not need to do the dick schtick hell IMO it is the most un Joey Ryan he has been in the longest time
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Post by Facetious on Jan 18, 2019 21:18:23 GMT -5
I think Joey Ryan is actually quite good at being the sleazy wrestler without doing the dick stuff. But honestly it feels like hes gotten really lazy about it and now just does dick stuff. I can't really fault the guy. He gets to make a living putting in as little amount of work as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 21:31:58 GMT -5
I think Joey Ryan is actually quite good at being the sleazy wrestler without doing the dick stuff. But honestly it feels like hes gotten really lazy about it and now just does dick stuff. I can't really fault the guy. He gets to make a living putting in as little amount of work as possible. Plus when you're an indie act with no real home base, there's something to be said for just playing the hits. People see Joey Ryan's name on a poster and they don't come to see him have some 30 minute back-and-forth, they come to see him flip people with his dick. I don't really see anything wrong with that. But I do think trying to make it a thing right out of the gate with a new promotion that is aiming for broad appeal is a very bad idea.
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Post by mattyy on Jan 18, 2019 23:46:39 GMT -5
I'd love for Ryan to debut as "famous Dick wrestler", only to immediately revert to an almost Right to Censor heel who is tired of doing perverse comedy for the unwashed masses. Ryan is a good hand to have, but the dick flips won't work on a broad stage.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 19, 2019 2:14:54 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people are worried about a possible Joey Ryan signing, the man's got range. Am I the only one who remembers when he was the shrinky-dink version of Josh Barnett?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 19, 2019 2:20:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people are worried about a possible Joey Ryan signing, the man's got range. Am I the only one who remembers when he was the shrinky-dink version of Josh Barnett? The worry comes from Joey Ryan's use on All In. Nonsense like Dick Druids, while hilarious, just aren't going to translate to the masses well. I want this company to do well and not shoot itself in the foot because they feel the need to get a joke in that's gonna fall flat on a larger scale. I understand we're not there yet. Just hoping this doesn't go that way.
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Post by thetower52 on Jan 19, 2019 2:40:06 GMT -5
If joey Ryan is a part of AEW I’m out
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 19, 2019 2:44:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people are worried about a possible Joey Ryan signing, the man's got range. Am I the only one who remembers when he was the shrinky-dink version of Josh Barnett? The worry comes from Joey Ryan's use on All In. Nonsense like Dick Druids, while hilarious, just aren't going to translate to the masses well. I want this company to do well and not shoot itself in the foot because they feel the need to get a joke in that's gonna fall flat on a larger scale. I understand we're not there yet. Just hoping this doesn't go that way. I doubt that'd be the kind of thing they'd be doing weekly, anyway, plus All In was all about spectacle and an indies showcase, including his Brazzers shtick or Pornhub or whoever he had a deal with. I can't imagine they'd be doing that on any program with regular sponsors.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jan 19, 2019 2:50:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people are worried about a possible Joey Ryan signing, the man's got range. Am I the only one who remembers when he was the shrinky-dink version of Josh Barnett? The worry comes from Joey Ryan's use on All In. Nonsense like Dick Druids, while hilarious, just aren't going to translate to the masses well. I want this company to do well and not shoot itself in the foot because they feel the need to get a joke in that's gonna fall flat on a larger scale. I understand we're not there yet. Just hoping this doesn't go that way. The current form of his character would just not work in today's current climate. He toes that "offensive" line too often for most advertiser. I do think he can tame it down and still be entertaining. You can do a lot with innuendo, while dropping the over the top shtick
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 19, 2019 3:22:03 GMT -5
The worry comes from Joey Ryan's use on All In. Nonsense like Dick Druids, while hilarious, just aren't going to translate to the masses well. I want this company to do well and not shoot itself in the foot because they feel the need to get a joke in that's gonna fall flat on a larger scale. I understand we're not there yet. Just hoping this doesn't go that way. The current form of his character would just not work in today's current climate. He toes that "offensive" line too often for most advertiser. I do think he can tame it down and still be entertaining. You can do a lot with innuendo, while dropping the over the top shtick He going to have to tone it down a lot, more so if they are on TBS or TNT for that matter. Remember how WCW was for the most part. While Russo era got away with a little more, they went years without Blood, cursing and ext. While D-X was saying Suck it. The NWO would only say down there.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 19, 2019 9:22:02 GMT -5
I’m fine with Ryan as a performer overall but I don’t know if I would let him do his Little Joey spot if I was trying to run a “believable” wrestling promotion/show. It’s the kind of routine that only works with a very specific, niche audience within wrestling culture.
The extreme hate he inspires though, I don’t get that either. Nothing wrong with comedy wrestling if it can be presented in the right context.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 19, 2019 12:47:30 GMT -5
I’m fine with Ryan as a performer overall but I don’t know if I would let him do his Little Joey spot if I was trying to run a “believable” wrestling promotion/show. It’s the kind of routine that only works with a very specific, niche audience within wrestling culture. The extreme hate he inspires though, I don’t get that either. Nothing wrong with comedy wrestling if it can be presented in the right context. Yeah, if he sticks to the LU sleeze gimmick dude will be great. I personally don't mind Famous Dick Wrestler Joey Ryan but I can see why he'd be off putting.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 19, 2019 14:13:55 GMT -5
There was a time where only porn and the medical professions was the phrase "dick stuff" so readily used. What a age we live in!
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