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Post by Skull0mancer on Oct 28, 2018 22:44:00 GMT -5
As far as Bear Meat, I believe what he is doing to be of a tactical sense. I don't feel him being scum. As for what I mean with a tactical sense, I see him playing you two to see how you both react under pressure. There wasn't really any pressure on either of us, though, and Bear Meat making insinuations from the sidelines didn't amount to any sort of significant pressure either. I see what you're saying, but from my perspective, it didn't look like that's what he was doing. A scum will fold as to not draw attention where as town are more likely to fight, if that makes sense. And you don't think his response exhibits this exact tendency? My suspicion remains on Daime. If skull can give me a good argument as to WHY he thinks Daime is Town, then I'll back off. Daime has done a couple little things throughout the game that make me think that he's approaching things from a Town mindset. 1. His kneejerk response of "Dude, what the f***" when I dropped a vote on Brainbustah on page 1 looked like a genuine Town reaction. I would have expected Scum to raise an eyebrow but remain silent while they watched the situation unfold. 2. His willingness to admit that he didn't think things through in this post. I feel that Scum might have been more willing to try to come up with an excuse instead of just outright admitting fault. 3. In the same post, his explanation of Bear Meat's potential motivations show that he's willing to view the game from other perspectives besides his own. While I personally disagree with his conclusions, the fact that he's willing to do this in the first place shows that he's trying to be a team player. 4. The overall vibe I get from my interactions with him indicate that he's relaxed and he's not afraid of me. I mean this in the least douchey way possible, but I imagine that a Scum player talking to someone like me would be a little more cautious and aloof.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 23:38:30 GMT -5
FOS: Gus Richlen + Mileena
I sense a tendency for this fellow to stick in the shadows and wait out the results of our sallying forth. I am no by means adamant that he has the worse intentions for town, but I feel his retorts to be glib and elusive.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Oct 28, 2018 23:47:44 GMT -5
FOS: Gus Richlen + MileenaI sense a tendency for this fellow to stick in the shadows and wait out the results of our sallying forth. I am no by means adamant that he has the worse intentions for town, but I feel his retorts to be glib and elusive. Said "sallying forth" has been a lot of flinging things at the wall and seeing what sticks. At this point, only two or three people haven't either gotten votes or FOS, and all it does is make an absolute mess that is not going to get better on Day Two and just makes it easier for scum to pick us off once we sink into a metric ton of blindly pointing fingers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 23:53:24 GMT -5
FOS: Gus Richlen + MileenaI sense a tendency for this fellow to stick in the shadows and wait out the results of our sallying forth. I am no by means adamant that he has the worse intentions for town, but I feel his retorts to be glib and elusive. Said "sallying forth" has been a lot of flinging things at the wall and seeing what sticks. At this point, only two or three people haven't either gotten votes or FOS, and all it does is make an absolute mess that is not going to get better on Day Two and just makes it easier for scum to pick us off once we sink into a metric ton of blindly pointing fingers. Do you want a Day One lynch or not? We could wait a week and do nothing, lose a guaranteed Town member, and see ourselves no better. You talk about blindly pointing fingers but saying and doing nothing is even worse.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Oct 28, 2018 23:56:49 GMT -5
Said "sallying forth" has been a lot of flinging things at the wall and seeing what sticks. At this point, only two or three people haven't either gotten votes or FOS, and all it does is make an absolute mess that is not going to get better on Day Two and just makes it easier for scum to pick us off once we sink into a metric ton of blindly pointing fingers. Do you want a Day One lynch or not? We could wait a week and do nothing, lose a guaranteed Town member, and see ourselves no better. You talk about blindly pointing fingers but saying and doing nothing is even worse. I'd rather we not make a mistake that leads to us losing TWO Town members. Even worse if both have abilities that could help us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 0:01:42 GMT -5
Do you want a Day One lynch or not? We could wait a week and do nothing, lose a guaranteed Town member, and see ourselves no better. You talk about blindly pointing fingers but saying and doing nothing is even worse. I'd rather we not make a mistake that leads to us losing TWO Town members. Even worse if both have abilities that could help us. Vehemently disagree. We don't do something on Day 1, we'll lose a Town member and there are no guarantees that Night will bear any fruit. jagilki what say you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 3:44:33 GMT -5
As far as Bear Meat, I believe what he is doing to be of a tactical sense. I don't feel him being scum. As for what I mean with a tactical sense, I see him playing you two to see how you both react under pressure. There wasn't really any pressure on either of us, though, and Bear Meat making insinuations from the sidelines didn't amount to any sort of significant pressure either. I see what you're saying, but from my perspective, it didn't look like that's what he was doing. A scum will fold as to not draw attention where as town are more likely to fight, if that makes sense. And you don't think his response exhibits this exact tendency? My suspicion remains on Daime. If skull can give me a good argument as to WHY he thinks Daime is Town, then I'll back off. Daime has done a couple little things throughout the game that make me think that he's approaching things from a Town mindset. 1. His kneejerk response of "Dude, what the f***" when I dropped a vote on Brainbustah on page 1 looked like a genuine Town reaction. I would have expected Scum to raise an eyebrow but remain silent while they watched the situation unfold. 2. His willingness to admit that he didn't think things through in this post. I feel that Scum might have been more willing to try to come up with an excuse instead of just outright admitting fault. 3. In the same post, his explanation of Bear Meat's potential motivations show that he's willing to view the game from other perspectives besides his own. While I personally disagree with his conclusions, the fact that he's willing to do this in the first place shows that he's trying to be a team player. 4. The overall vibe I get from my interactions with him indicate that he's relaxed and he's not afraid of me. I mean this in the least douchey way possible, but I imagine that a Scum player talking to someone like me would be a little more cautious and aloof.
I know we've had words but I do thank you for sticking up for me with Gus. I know I use the word pressure a lot, and I do realize it's day one. But, it's a good town tactic to stir the pot a bit between two players with a beef to see what happens. I'm actually suspicious of Gus for seeing that I presented an idea on Joker and Kevin just happened to present something else on him. Why go to you Skull for an argument on why I'm town? Why not go to me and hear my side?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 3:47:54 GMT -5
Sorry, forgot this. FOS: Gus Richlen Was WrongWhy go to Skull0mancer for as why I'm town and not me? Why jump on me when Kevin said something later? I think you might be trying to bring heat down on me to lessen heat off of you. So, if you're not Mafia Scum, tell me, besides me, who do you suspect? Who do we need to hear more from?
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Oct 29, 2018 5:06:04 GMT -5
Ooh that warm water is so good for my aches and pains, anyone else want to use this warm water? Been listening to the conversations and my take so far is that I am undecided on Skull0mancer as I find his proactive conversation to be insightful/useful to the group, but his instant voting to be puzzling (Which I think is more to do with my own style to take a longer look at the conversation before making a judgement rather than just jumping in straight away). As for the Skulls opinion and vote on Brandon Walsh is Insane. I haven't really seen anything to be suspicious of to make me want to commit to that. To be more engaging I am going to take a punt and vote, mainly because the posts they made have been reactive so far and seem to be intended to garner sympathy (be it in charcater or not) it also may get the conversation moving. Vote: Big Bad Brad--- I would also like to hear opinions from: Brainbustaaah!& jagilkiAs they are both completely off my radar and have said the least so far.
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Post by jagilki on Oct 29, 2018 6:02:35 GMT -5
It's the main question in mafia isn't it? On day one do you risk killing a townie or not? Unless a mafia member royally screws up there is a greater chance of hitting on a town member than a scum member on day one. So you then have to weigh the cost / bennefit of loss of a town vote vs the potential information gleaned from vote paterns later in the game. Scum seems to usually show themselves by early game voting pasterns. I've always been an advocate for the later. It's better to take the risk and be able to use vote patterns in the future. I'll probably be silentish the rest of the day (real day not game day) as I've got to do a bunch of court type stuff after work (car titles, pay house taxes, paperwork and such).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 7:05:16 GMT -5
To be more engaging I am going to take a punt and vote, mainly because the posts they made have been reactive so far and seem to be intended to garner sympathy (be it in charcater or not) it also may get the conversation moving. Vote: Big Bad BradSo, 'Foretold' Joker You're playing into my theory despite my saying it was half baked. Brado's said he was an uneducated girl. Poor as well, so Why jump on him?
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Oct 29, 2018 7:30:48 GMT -5
To be more engaging I am going to take a punt and vote, mainly because the posts they made have been reactive so far and seem to be intended to garner sympathy (be it in charcater or not) it also may get the conversation moving. Vote: Big Bad BradSo, 'Foretold' Joker You're playing into my theory despite my saying it was half baked. Brado's said he was an uneducated girl. Poor as well, so Why jump on him? It's not the theme of being poor/uneducated I am going off though, it's the wording of needing protection and a strong man to garner sympathy. Either that or they are the innocent girl role which is something I hadn't considered. I readily admit this is mostly to get communication going as the first day has so little to go on. Holding on to my vote for the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 8:05:53 GMT -5
Fair enough, I'll wait and see what Big Bad Brad has to say.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Oct 29, 2018 8:51:21 GMT -5
Wow I see I got a vote on me.
I had planned to respond today the thing is day 1 is always hard to read anybody for me I think the game picks up during day 2 were hopefully we have a sheriff or investigator and they can report their findings, I've been playing a lot of Town of Salem so I'm using role names from that game.
So far all my posts have been in character except for this one I assure you I am a member of the town.
I've been thinking about how many mafia we could have remember Produceman originally had this game set for 12 players when he only got 10 players he had to remove 2 roles which could of been a town and Mafia. When Lodi joined he could of easily added a second or third mafia I have ran 12 player games with three mafia. So my guess is there is either 2 or 3 mafia members which Lodi could possibly be a member of if Produce added a mafia member back which is something I would do if I ran the game, I know I'm thinking to much on this but I'm thinking about it as a former multi game hosts.
If anyone has questions for me feel free to ask and I will try to answer to the best of my ability.
This is probably the biggest post I made in a mafia game before.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Oct 29, 2018 10:40:01 GMT -5
Sorry, forgot this. FOS: Gus Richlen Was WrongWhy go to Skull0mancer for as why I'm town and not me? Why jump on me when Kevin said something later? I think you might be trying to bring heat down on me to lessen heat off of you. So, if you're not Mafia Scum, tell me, besides me, who do you suspect? Who do we need to hear more from? Only person I suspect is you and I'm waiting for you to argue your case with a lot more than just "Why?" because that suspicion is only getting stronger.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Oct 29, 2018 11:03:32 GMT -5
EBWOP: And the reason I don't suspect anyone else is because either I think they're Town or because I'm not getting a read on them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 11:05:29 GMT -5
Sorry, forgot this. FOS: Gus Richlen Was WrongWhy go to Skull0mancer for as why I'm town and not me? Why jump on me when Kevin said something later? I think you might be trying to bring heat down on me to lessen heat off of you. So, if you're not Mafia Scum, tell me, besides me, who do you suspect? Who do we need to hear more from? Only person I suspect is you and I'm waiting for you to argue your case with a lot more than just "Why?" because that suspicion is only getting stronger. I don't feel the need to explain my case anymore then with a why. I say feel free to cast all the suspicion you want on me Gus. If I die, I flip town, that'll send a damn mob on you. I suggest you back off before it's too late.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Oct 29, 2018 11:16:56 GMT -5
Only person I suspect is you and I'm waiting for you to argue your case with a lot more than just "Why?" because that suspicion is only getting stronger. I don't feel the need to explain my case anymore then with a why. I say feel free to cast all the suspicion you want on me Gus. If I die, I flip town, that'll send a damn mob on you. I suggest you back off before it's too late. Alrighty then. I gave you a chance to convince me that you're not scum, and you decided to go with outright refusal to answer. How that can't be seen as suspicious is hard for me to see. I was arguing before that we needed to NOT have a Day 1 lynch because of the likelihood of us going down two Town members. I actually care about the Town's well-being. I'm not worried about any heat that may or may not be brought on me because I'm more concerned about ensuring Town's survival. You're not. You're gunning for one of the most vocal people here simply because I picked up on something off with you, and the fact that you've been reacting this badly to that and refusing to give any explanation why confirms it for me. Vote: Old School Daime
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 29, 2018 13:03:31 GMT -5
By coming out strong, sure you would ruffle feathers but at the same time, you’d have players embrace you and immediately believe you’re town. We are all looking for a leader, and when steps up, it’s easily to follow their thinking and leave ourselves open to being killed off, one by one. And that's exactly what ended up happening, right? Wait, no, it wasn't. There were quite a few players -- yourself included -- who expressed suspicion of me early on. I have a hard time believing that you honestly believe what you're saying right now when you were so quick to cast doubt on my intentions.
I only questioned you early on because you basically threw yourself out there, taking the spotlight if you will. Now that more people are interacting, and I'm seeing back and forth (Other Kevin & the Daime/Gus situation taking my attention) I'm losing my scum vibe on you. Ever since brainbustahhh was called out and that ended, he has been quiet tho. Maybe you were right about him initially. We have a ~20% chance of voting scum off on day 1, maybe? A vote is our strongest weapon, I’ll figure out where my vote goes this week. Mafia isn't a game of chance. We're not throwing darts at a dart board here. We'd only have a 20-something percent chance of lynching Scum if we all put zero thought into our votes and voted randomly, and that's not what we're doing. Why did you feel that this was worth mentioning?
I thought Brainbustah's response to my vote was reasonable. Do you disagree? What I am saying is that ever since the vote and response, he has been quiet. Almost a lurking in the shadows type of character. Only responding when someone directly calls him out. To me, that's a tell. So no, while the response isn't a tell to me, his lack of response since is, if that makes sense. Retaliation FOS between the others has caught my attention tho. What "others"? Why not name names? Why not throw a vote in there to back up your words? This reluctance to engage the game is one of the reasons why I'm so suspicious of you. It's like you don't want to rock the boat because you're afraid that doing so will give the other players a reason to start looking at you more closely.
I was on my phone, a bit harder to copy/paste and get thing right. But yeah, Other Kevin made me suspicious with that FOS. I do think that our villains are sitting back watching us right now. If I were to guess, I’d say one of them is active, at the moment. And, again, what makes you say this? This observation came completely out of the blue. Surely you had a reason for making it.
Because in my experience, that's what happens. You usually have one that is out there befriending the town, and at least one staying away and NOT fanning the flames because that usually comes around later on as the game goes on.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 29, 2018 13:04:00 GMT -5
EBWOP the quoting thing really messed up there.
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