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Post by sfvega on Nov 8, 2018 8:40:53 GMT -5
What’s the fascination with Bruce Harper? He had one great season four years ago and outside of that his career has been about as good as Trot Nixon. Not sure if srs.
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Post by Renslayer on Nov 8, 2018 13:34:39 GMT -5
Looks like I missed Bill James making a fool of himself on Twitter...
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Post by domrep on Nov 8, 2018 15:11:23 GMT -5
As a Nats fan, the offer was probably just a PR move on their part. It's really weird to see the coverage of Harper's pending free agency locally. It's way different than a Kirk Cousins situation when it was talked about every day. With Bryce, I think most people expect him to walk. It also helps that we have kids like Robles and Soto who combined will make like $3 million total per year until they get to arbitration. There's also Rendon who is the forgotten Nat and someone they should extend, Trea Turner, the team still has talent, they just need more pitching.
MLB Trade Rumors predicts Yasmani Grandal and Kuechel going to the Nats for a combined $36 million per year but it solves their catching situation and it gets them a legitimate 3rd starter.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Nov 8, 2018 19:49:21 GMT -5
And trader Jerry makes the first move! *shocker* C Mike Zunino, OF Guilhermo Heredia and minor-league LHP Michael Plassmeyer go to the Rays, with OF Mallex Smith and minor-league OF Jake Fraley coming to the M's. Yes, the same Mallex Smith the M's traded a couple of off-seasons ago from the Braves for Luiz Gohara and then immediately traded to the Rays for Drew Smyly. This one pisses me off stupid trade I do t care that Mike z batted .210 dudes one of the best defensive catchers in the game right now.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 8, 2018 22:18:47 GMT -5
What’s the fascination with Bruce Harper? He had one great season four years ago and outside of that his career has been about as good as Trot Nixon. Don't talk when you're high
I'm nowhere near the biggest Harper fan but you don't get left handed power guys like him on the market at 26 years old (just turned 26)
He had one fantastic season and a few great ones in between but he's no doubt an MVP candidate every year
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 8, 2018 22:20:05 GMT -5
Looks like I missed Bill James making a fool of himself on Twitter... Yea, that whole players are replaceable shit is not going to fly well and then you tried to defend it
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 8, 2018 22:47:30 GMT -5
What’s the fascination with Bruce Harper? He had one great season four years ago and outside of that his career has been about as good as Trot Nixon. Don't talk when you're high
I'm nowhere near the biggest Harper fan but you don't get left handed power guys like him on the market at 26 years old (just turned 26)
He had one fantastic season and a few great ones in between but he's no doubt an MVP candidate every year
He's finished in the top 10 in MVP voting once in his seven years of service. So he's not an MVP candidate every year, he's only been a candidate once. He's had one fantastic season and some very good seasons. His name is bigger than his ability.
Whats his ceiling going forward? 35 HR 95 RBI and .270 BA? $40mil per for that? MMWTBS
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 8, 2018 23:03:04 GMT -5
Don't talk when you're high
I'm nowhere near the biggest Harper fan but you don't get left handed power guys like him on the market at 26 years old (just turned 26)
He had one fantastic season and a few great ones in between but he's no doubt an MVP candidate every year
He's finished in the top 10 in MVP voting once in his seven years of service. So he's not an MVP candidate every year, he's only been a candidate once. He's had one fantastic season and some very good seasons. His name is bigger than his ability.
Whats his ceiling going forward? 35 HR 95 RBI and .270 BA? $40mil per for that? MMWTBS
So you're going to argue 35/100/.270 has no value from a left handed hitter
His value is in his age and his ability. He's not a finished product and entering his prime years so that 35/100 can easily be 40/120 on the right team
Is he going to be worth that price over a 10/12 year stretch, I doubt it but a team knows they are going to get at least 7 great years which is the majority of the contract
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 8, 2018 23:19:48 GMT -5
He's finished in the top 10 in MVP voting once in his seven years of service. So he's not an MVP candidate every year, he's only been a candidate once. He's had one fantastic season and some very good seasons. His name is bigger than his ability.
Whats his ceiling going forward? 35 HR 95 RBI and .270 BA? $40mil per for that? MMWTBS
So you're going to argue 35/100/.270 has no value from a left handed hitter
His value is in his age and his ability. He's not a finished product and entering his prime years so that 35/100 can easily be 40/120 on the right team
Is he going to be worth that price over a 10/12 year stretch, I doubt it but a team knows they are going to get at least 7 great years which is the majority of the contract
He's never done 40/120 and honestly he's more likely to go 25/70/.240 as he is anything like that. Those are his numbers, that's what he is.
He certainly has value, but he's going to wind up being grossly overpaid and whoever signs him will probably regret it. He'll be put on waivers every year, nobody will grab him and teams will keep continuing to make these same dumb mistakes.
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Post by BRV on Nov 9, 2018 0:00:42 GMT -5
What’s the fascination with Bruce Harper? He had one great season four years ago and outside of that his career has been about as good as Trot Nixon. Trot Nixon hit .280/.368/.498 while averaging 25 homers and 90 RBI from his age 25 through age 30 seasons with a 3.0 WAR. Bryce Harper hit .281/.396/.519 while averaging 34 homers and 96 RBI from his age 20 through age 25 season with a 3.7 WAR. I love Trot Nixon more than most, and I was ready to scoff at this notion, but aside from a slightly higher on-base percentage and a few more home runs, it’s a fairly reasonable comparison.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 9, 2018 0:33:18 GMT -5
So you're going to argue 35/100/.270 has no value from a left handed hitter
His value is in his age and his ability. He's not a finished product and entering his prime years so that 35/100 can easily be 40/120 on the right team
Is he going to be worth that price over a 10/12 year stretch, I doubt it but a team knows they are going to get at least 7 great years which is the majority of the contract
He's never done 40/120 and honestly he's more likely to go 25/70/.240 as he is anything like that. Those are his numbers, that's what he is.
He certainly has value, but he's going to wind up being grossly overpaid and whoever signs him will probably regret it. He'll be put on waivers every year, nobody will grab him and teams will keep continuing to make these same dumb mistakes.
Yeah okay we shall see for a guy who's entering his prime years body wise
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 9, 2018 1:58:57 GMT -5
He's never done 40/120 and honestly he's more likely to go 25/70/.240 as he is anything like that. Those are his numbers, that's what he is.
He certainly has value, but he's going to wind up being grossly overpaid and whoever signs him will probably regret it. He'll be put on waivers every year, nobody will grab him and teams will keep continuing to make these same dumb mistakes.
Yeah okay we shall see for a guy who's entering his prime years body wise Also, Harper's a legit star in baseball. At worst he's one of the top 5 most mainstream guys still playing, heck, it might be he and Judge as the top 2 guys. Mike Trout is the unquestioned best player in the game, but Harper's a bigger star than him. Having Harper on your team will increase attendance, merchandise sales, concession sales, and get you more nationally covered games. You do also got to look at the business side of why a team would give him a lot of money.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 9, 2018 2:51:50 GMT -5
Yeah okay we shall see for a guy who's entering his prime years body wise Also, Harper's a legit star in baseball. At worst he's one of the top 5 most mainstream guys still playing, heck, it might be he and Judge as the top 2 guys. Mike Trout is the unquestioned best player in the game, but Harper's a bigger star than him. Having Harper on your team will increase attendance, merchandise sales, concession sales, and get you more nationally covered games. You do also got to look at the business side of why a team would give him a lot of money. Agreed. There was talk this year about why Trout isn't more popular and essentially have his name every where as the face of baseball and Manfred said while we have some blame, that's also Trout fault and he's not wrong. Judge entering his 3rd season in baseball is one of the faces of baseball through Yankees and himself making sure to get him in commercials. Harper same way with T-Mobile. Trout had Subway commercials and Gatorade but he isn't featured nearly enough in those things
Harper brings more than just baseball numbers to a team, he brings money because he's one of the more popular faces in the game. If for example the White Sox were to get him, right or wrong people will be screaming they are coming for the Cubs as most popular team in Chicago for baseball.
As I said he's coming into his prime years body wise as well. I believe he goes to Philly and if he goes there with that ballpark in a healthy good year he's knocking 45 HR's. For a player who just turned 26 as I said earlier you are probably going to get a decent 7 years of contract out of the 10/12 he's signed for. Add on the fact if you sign him you know you're going to have to have or get another bat to compliment him. Giancarlo doesn't have to be the big star in NY cause of Judge and Gary(when he's right) despite the fact he has the biggest contract in MLB history. It's all about team fit and how you make it work because at the end of the day a team like Milwaukee, Cincinatti, San Diego can't afford Harper and even the teams that do know they may eat $100 Million of money at the end but it's all about maximizing his prime years which you don't usually get with players who enter free agency as they are probably 30 years by that point
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Post by corndog on Nov 9, 2018 13:51:45 GMT -5
Also, Harper's a legit star in baseball. At worst he's one of the top 5 most mainstream guys still playing, heck, it might be he and Judge as the top 2 guys. Mike Trout is the unquestioned best player in the game, but Harper's a bigger star than him. Having Harper on your team will increase attendance, merchandise sales, concession sales, and get you more nationally covered games. You do also got to look at the business side of why a team would give him a lot of money. Agreed. There was talk this year about why Trout isn't more popular and essentially have his name every where as the face of baseball and Manfred said while we have some blame, that's also Trout fault and he's not wrong. Judge entering his 3rd season in baseball is one of the faces of baseball through Yankees and himself making sure to get him in commercials. Harper same way with T-Mobile. Trout had Subway commercials and Gatorade but he isn't featured nearly enough in those things Harper brings more than just baseball numbers to a team, he brings money because he's one of the more popular faces in the game. If for example the White Sox were to get him, right or wrong people will be screaming they are coming for the Cubs as most popular team in Chicago for baseball. As I said he's coming into his prime years body wise as well. I believe he goes to Philly and if he goes there with that ballpark in a healthy good year he's knocking 45 HR's. For a player who just turned 26 as I said earlier you are probably going to get a decent 7 years of contract out of the 10/12 he's signed for. Add on the fact if you sign him you know you're going to have to have or get another bat to compliment him. Giancarlo doesn't have to be the big star in NY cause of Judge and Gary(when he's right) despite the fact he has the biggest contract in MLB history. It's all about team fit and how you make it work because at the end of the day a team like Milwaukee, Cincinatti, San Diego can't afford Harper and even the teams that do know they may eat $100 Million of money at the end but it's all about maximizing his prime years which you don't usually get with players who enter free agency as they are probably 30 years by that point
Philly sounds like a good choice. Cubs fans have talked about it, but the Cubs need to get Baez, Hendricks and hopefully Bryant under long term deals. Giving Harper that kind of money would make it impossible. Also, the attendence is already there and while he would bring in merch money, it wouldn't make enough of a difference to offset the price as the Cubs have plenty of players that sell merch. He needs to go to a place that could make him the obvious franchise player, build attendance and has enough payroll flexibility to afford his contract without crippling long term goals.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 9, 2018 14:05:14 GMT -5
Agreed. There was talk this year about why Trout isn't more popular and essentially have his name every where as the face of baseball and Manfred said while we have some blame, that's also Trout fault and he's not wrong. Judge entering his 3rd season in baseball is one of the faces of baseball through Yankees and himself making sure to get him in commercials. Harper same way with T-Mobile. Trout had Subway commercials and Gatorade but he isn't featured nearly enough in those things Harper brings more than just baseball numbers to a team, he brings money because he's one of the more popular faces in the game. If for example the White Sox were to get him, right or wrong people will be screaming they are coming for the Cubs as most popular team in Chicago for baseball. As I said he's coming into his prime years body wise as well. I believe he goes to Philly and if he goes there with that ballpark in a healthy good year he's knocking 45 HR's. For a player who just turned 26 as I said earlier you are probably going to get a decent 7 years of contract out of the 10/12 he's signed for. Add on the fact if you sign him you know you're going to have to have or get another bat to compliment him. Giancarlo doesn't have to be the big star in NY cause of Judge and Gary(when he's right) despite the fact he has the biggest contract in MLB history. It's all about team fit and how you make it work because at the end of the day a team like Milwaukee, Cincinatti, San Diego can't afford Harper and even the teams that do know they may eat $100 Million of money at the end but it's all about maximizing his prime years which you don't usually get with players who enter free agency as they are probably 30 years by that point
Philly sounds like a good choice. Cubs fans have talked about it, but the Cubs need to get Baez, Hendricks and hopefully Bryant under long term deals. Giving Harper that kind of money would make it impossible. Also, the attendence is already there and while he would bring in merch money, it wouldn't make enough of a difference to offset the price as the Cubs have plenty of players that sell merch. He needs to go to a place that could make him the obvious franchise player, build attendance and has enough payroll flexibility to afford his contract without crippling long term goals. If Cubs didn't have Hayward on payroll then you could justify the expense of Harper but the fact Hayward is on payroll and you have to sign Baez and Bryant to long term deals just messes it up. They don't really need him either so while it may be a want it isn't a need
I like the White Sox as low key favorites to get Harper too or Machado. ATL should be big spenders but I see them spending their money on Machado. Don't count out the Cardinals for Harper too as they've been willing to spend as seen with trying to get Giancarlo last year.
This is a case where Yankees nor Red Sox will drive up the price for Machado or Harper because they don't need either player but without those two teams both should break the highest record contract. To me, Philly just makes too much sense for Harper not to fit there. They got young players and pitching coming up and the same could be said for ATL too
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 9, 2018 15:14:47 GMT -5
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Post by Perd on Nov 9, 2018 15:50:48 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing. I mean there’s a quote in the article, from Theo, that explains their approach to not having “untouchables”. Which means Kris Bryiant is available if you want to drastically overpay for him. I do think things, with the Cubs, have gone a little askew, the past couple of years. But it’s all relative. They still won 95 games last season. They’re not trading Kris Bryant, unless someone blows them away with an offer. And I very much doubt that happens.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 9, 2018 16:12:18 GMT -5
Yeah okay we shall see for a guy who's entering his prime years body wise Also, Harper's a legit star in baseball. At worst he's one of the top 5 most mainstream guys still playing, heck, it might be he and Judge as the top 2 guys. Mike Trout is the unquestioned best player in the game, but Harper's a bigger star than him. Having Harper on your team will increase attendance, merchandise sales, concession sales, and get you more nationally covered games. You do also got to look at the business side of why a team would give him a lot of money. He’s a massive star. Might be the biggest in the sport and he’s going to find someone to give him $400mil, I just don’t think the actual talent equals the output
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Post by corndog on Nov 9, 2018 16:43:38 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing. I mean there’s a quote in the article, from Theo, that explains their approach to not having “untouchables”. Which means Kris Bryiant is available if you want to drastically overpay for him. I do think things, with the Cubs, have gone a little askew, the past couple of years. But it’s all relative. They still won 95 games last season. They’re not trading Kris Bryant, unless someone blows them away with an offer. And I very much doubt that happens. I agree, this article didn't shed any new light on Bryant. However, the relationship with Boras and Epstein is not good at all and I think odds are in favor of Bryant going to free agency. That being said, as a Cubs fan, I would like to see the Cubs get something instead of him just walking like Arietta. Although now is probably not the time, as Bryant has just come off his worst season in the majors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 18:55:50 GMT -5
Joe Mauer will announce his official retirement from baseball, as I mentioned during the last game in the Season thread.
Thank you Joe. You did us proud.
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