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Post by ben:friendship frog on Nov 8, 2018 8:19:40 GMT -5
Everybody knows that African Americans are attracted to Canadian white women with broken noses.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 8, 2018 9:42:44 GMT -5
Vince hired Bill Watts despite Watts getting fired in WCW for a racist and homophobic tirade.
Vince keeps Michael Hayes employed.
Vince loves so much orange racists that he brought Hogan back.
I expect Vince to hire Roseanne Barr and Michael Richards.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 9:50:31 GMT -5
There was a clip I saw on YouTube a while back from the WWF in 1990. It was Saba Simba having a match and Akeem & Slick were shown doing one of those cutaway interviews they used to do while the match was going on. It was amazing to see that clip in 2018. It was a racist caricature in Saba Simba in the ring possibly setting up a feud with a white man billed from “deepest darkest Africa” who wore a dashiki and spoke in “jive” to pretend he was black while his fried chicken eating pimp manager stood by his side. That was the same year Piper wore blackface at WM, and about year after Sapphire debuted (give or take).
Vince’s overt and subtle racism should be documented in a website. Dude gave no shits. I can only imagine what minorities have gone through (and likely still do) working for that company.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Nov 8, 2018 10:08:51 GMT -5
There was a clip I saw on YouTube a while back from the WWF in 1990. It was Saba Simba having a match and Akeem & Slick were shown doing one of those cutaway interviews they used to do while the match was going on. It was amazing to see that clip in 2018. It was a racist caricature in Saba Simba in the ring possibly setting up a feud with a white man billed from “deepest darkest Africa” who wore a dashiki and spoke in “jive” to pretend he was black while his fried chicken eating pimp manager stood by his side. That was the same year Piper wore blackface at WM, and about year after Sapphire debuted (give or take). Vince’s overt and subtle racism should be documented in a website. Dude gave no shits. I can only imagine what minorities have gone through (and likely still do) working for that company. Come to that, didn't Colt Cabana talk about facing pretty bad anti-semitism while he was in developmental? I may be misremembering or misquoting, I just feel like I heard that at some point.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 8, 2018 13:34:00 GMT -5
There was a clip I saw on YouTube a while back from the WWF in 1990. It was Saba Simba having a match and Akeem & Slick were shown doing one of those cutaway interviews they used to do while the match was going on. It was amazing to see that clip in 2018. It was a racist caricature in Saba Simba in the ring possibly setting up a feud with a white man billed from “deepest darkest Africa” who wore a dashiki and spoke in “jive” to pretend he was black while his fried chicken eating pimp manager stood by his side. That was the same year Piper wore blackface at WM, and about year after Sapphire debuted (give or take). Vince’s overt and subtle racism should be documented in a website. Dude gave no shits. I can only imagine what minorities have gone through (and likely still do) working for that company. Come to that, didn't Colt Cabana talk about facing pretty bad anti-semitism while he was in developmental? I may be misremembering or misquoting, I just feel like I heard that at some point. He said someone in developmental called him Anti-semetic term Cabana. Not going to actually say what the slur was... but yeah... edit: Also I think that might have been in OVW as opposed to FCW but I'm not sure. double edit: I looked it up and yeah it was OVW.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 8, 2018 13:55:34 GMT -5
Come to that, didn't Colt Cabana talk about facing pretty bad anti-semitism while he was in developmental? I may be misremembering or misquoting, I just feel like I heard that at some point. He said someone in developmental called him Anti-semetic term Cabana. Not going to actually say what the slur was... but yeah... edit: Also I think that might have been in OVW as opposed to FCW but I'm not sure. double edit: I looked it up and yeah it was OVW. Appropriately, rhymes with yikes. (Presuming that they went for alliteration here) That's terrible.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 8, 2018 13:57:56 GMT -5
He said someone in developmental called him Anti-semetic term Cabana. Not going to actually say what the slur was... but yeah... edit: Also I think that might have been in OVW as opposed to FCW but I'm not sure. double edit: I looked it up and yeah it was OVW. Appropriately, rhymes with yikes. (Presuming that they went for alliteration here) That's terrible. You got it... and yep.
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Post by mauled on Nov 8, 2018 14:52:56 GMT -5
. Also for anyone that says that the wwe aren’t racists, I have two words for you, Michael Hayes. Michael Hayes don't have nothing on racism when it comes to a certain Orange person brother " Whatchha gonna do When the power of non black hulkamaniacs and the 32 inch white pythons run like the Kkk on you 🧐😏
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 8, 2018 16:48:56 GMT -5
I don't doubt her for a second.
The thing with topics like this is that it can be easy for some to kind of act like "if so-and-so didn't outright use a racial slur, then they're not racist" (I'm oversimplifying, here), but racism is so much more pernicious than that. Granted, in this case Gail is bringing up someone directly using a slur to refer to Asian people, but I can fully buy the idea that it wasn't just some people saying certain words or being bigoted, it was probably a lot of less overt behavior, jokes, and other more subtle things that made it clear that non-whites were the "other" in that work environment.
Put another way, I don't think WWE hasn't had a fully outwardly black champion (I know, the Rock debate, but just speaking in terms of how the world perceives the individual) because Vince McMahon outright dislikes black people or something, but I fully can buy the idea that Vince sees most black wrestlers and doesn't think "THAT'S top guy material!" and that it might stem from an innate racial bias that maybe Vince isn't even fully aware he has. That's most often how racism works: not by people burning crosses or actively trying to deny minorities their civil rights (though both those things happen far too often), but people engaging in beliefs, attitudes, and biases that are informed by ignorance and larger structural institutions that reinforce that ignorance.
Again, Gail's accusation goes further, as she brought up the overt use of bigoted language, which implies things ran deeper than just those biases, and I don't doubt her words. But it's just always good to remember that racism doesn't necessarily mean bigoted; if we could just stamp out racism by stamping out bigotry, then this issue wouldn't be as vexing or difficult to combat as it really is.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 8, 2018 16:57:50 GMT -5
. Also for anyone that says that the wwe aren’t racists, I have two words for you, Michael Hayes. Michael Hayes don't have nothing on racism when it comes to a certain Orange person brother " Whatchha gonna do When the power of non black hulkamaniacs and the 32 inch white pythons run like the Kkk on you 🧐😏 I don't know, telling Mark Henry "I'm more of a (n word) than you are" is both pretty bad, and terribly confusing. Then again, maybe not as bad as the whole "if my daughter has to marry a n***** it better be one of those rich ones" thing. grantland.com/features/excerpt-david-shoemaker-new-book-concise-history-racism-wrestling/
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Post by Cyno on Nov 8, 2018 16:58:19 GMT -5
I absolutely believe her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 17:19:00 GMT -5
I mean...duh? The crazy, annoying thing about it though is that the company seems oddly teflon. Like, Gail will big this up, and I'm sure most, if not all of what she says is gonna be valid. But it won't even put a dent in WWE. Because no media outlets ever put presssure on WWE to answer for anything. And they don’t lose any sponsors from it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 8, 2018 19:13:10 GMT -5
Let’s see....
Sweet Saphire Akeem Saba Simba Virgil Slick eating fried chicken The Nation’s vandalized locker room Vince saying the n word Triple H saying nappy hair to Booker T and telling him to grab his bags Edge telling Cryme Tyme that he was gonna beat them black and blue Calling Mark Henry a silverback gorilla The social media employer who told Alberto to wash the dishes Mexicools Zeb Coulter Early New Day Kerwin White Bill Watts Bill Watts as hall of famer Bill Watts appearing on a round table that was supposed to honor black wrestlers Michael Hayes’ continued employment Roddy Piper’s program with Bad News Brown Lionizing Agent Orange’s racist ass despite never apologizing for his words only apologizing for getting caught Randy Orton’s tweets on Hispanic women Early Abraham Washington in FCW Colt Cabana being insulted for being Jewish in OVW by an agent Employing literal neo nazis with the Harris Twins Employing a real nazi in Ludvig Borga Several blackface segments Vince being surprised that men actually found Asian women attractive Colt Cabana getting the Scotty Goldman name only because he was Jewish Tatanka’s heel turn Muhammad Hassan Austin saying “I see sand people” to Hassan Kaientai Goldust using a blackface and a week later jive talking and using an afro Rikishi turning heel and playing the race card Slick invoking Hakeem
...something tells me this company might be a little racist.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Nov 8, 2018 21:57:23 GMT -5
He said someone in developmental called him Anti-semetic term Cabana. Not going to actually say what the slur was... but yeah... edit: Also I think that might have been in OVW as opposed to FCW but I'm not sure. double edit: I looked it up and yeah it was OVW. Appropriately, rhymes with yikes. (Presuming that they went for alliteration here) That's terrible. I would have said "kite." But that's a little on the nose. And yeah, I'm wondering if it's part of Vince being out of touch. He'll use the Megyn Kelly defense. "When I was younger, it was ok."
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 8, 2018 22:11:23 GMT -5
I absolutely believe her. I also understand people not being terribly moved by her complaining since she seems prone to doing it, though it may simply be that she is one of the few that are willing to do so when many probably should.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 8, 2018 22:18:10 GMT -5
Vince, after reading this, suspends Titus for 120 days.
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Post by benstudd on Nov 8, 2018 22:26:00 GMT -5
I suspect that they are, but unless it's more than just vague opinion from her then I don't see the point of bringing it from Gail's side.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 8, 2018 22:39:19 GMT -5
I absolutely believe her. I also understand people not being terribly moved by her complaining since she seems prone to doing it, though it may simply be that she is one of the few that are willing to do so when many probably should. It's like Alberto Del Rio. People hate them for a lot of justified reasons, but when something like this gets brought up (like ADR getting fired for attacking some employee for calling him a racial slur), they're in a more sympathetic light.
Broken clock is right two times a day, etc.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 8, 2018 22:43:30 GMT -5
Appropriately, rhymes with yikes. (Presuming that they went for alliteration here) That's terrible. I would have said "kite." But that's a little on the nose. And yeah, I'm wondering if it's part of Vince being out of touch. He'll use the Megyn Kelly defense. "When I was younger, it was ok." Vince is so racist that even Megyn Kelly is appalled.
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Post by dreamer75 on Nov 9, 2018 20:48:06 GMT -5
Let’s see.... Randy Orton’s tweets on Hispanic women Early Abraham Washington in FCW ...something tells me this company might be a little racist. Huh?
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