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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2018 13:49:57 GMT -5
Who do you believe was the most selfish in Impact wrestling between these two
Both have made their bones in terms of being the "best" for long periods of time much to the sadness of fans and both have their detractors as well
Jeff was openly more selfish while Gail we assume but there's no doubt the results for her speak for itself
Who you got?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 15, 2018 13:51:10 GMT -5
I mean....Gail's been doing it for what seems like a decade now.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 15, 2018 14:13:32 GMT -5
During her first run Gail put people over.
Jarrett is the reason why tna started as a failed project. By putting himself on top he killed the towns they were in and the fandom.
Gail was a supporting act that at the end it didn’t matter if she was selfish, but Jarrett killed the main event scene.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 14:38:40 GMT -5
JJ and it’s not really all that close. Dude had zero business being an ass kicking main eventer and he helped put people into positions where they would book him as such. Dude killed TNA in the womb more or less.
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Post by realist on Nov 15, 2018 14:55:41 GMT -5
During her first run Gail put people over. Jarrett is the reason why tna started as a failed project. By putting himself on top he killed the towns they were in and the fandom. Gail was a supporting act that at the end it didn’t matter if she was selfish, but Jarrett killed the main event scene. In Jeff's defense, he kind of had to at the beginning. He knew that he could trust himself. If a guy like Ken Shamrock or Ron Killings started to get really hot, Vince McMahon could have easily written a check and taken TNA's main star. By making himself the main star of TNA, he knew that he never had to worry about his top guy showing up on WWE TV. Make no mistake about it, I think he should have given up the title to guys like Monty Brown much sooner, but I do understand why he did it in the beginning. As for Gail Kim, I have never seen much in her outside of her matches with Kong, to be honest. But if you look at her TNA history, you would think she was the best thing since sliced bread. She didn't even lose the title in her retirement match, if I remember correctly.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2018 15:33:31 GMT -5
During her first run Gail put people over. Jarrett is the reason why tna started as a failed project. By putting himself on top he killed the towns they were in and the fandom. Gail was a supporting act that at the end it didn’t matter if she was selfish, but Jarrett killed the main event scene. In Jeff's defense, he kind of had to at the beginning. He knew that he could trust himself. If a guy like Ken Shamrock or Ron Killings started to get really hot, Vince McMahon could have easily written a check and taken TNA's main star. By making himself the main star of TNA, he knew that he never had to worry about his top guy showing up on WWE TV. Make no mistake about it, I think he should have given up the title to guys like Monty Brown much sooner, but I do understand why he did it in the beginning. As for Gail Kim, I have never seen much in her outside of her matches with Kong, to be honest. But if you look at her TNA history, you would think she was the best thing since sliced bread. She didn't even lose the title in her retirement match, if I remember correctly. She won the title in her retirement match
Also when she was to be inducted into the HOF she was inserted in the Maria/Allie program for whatever reason. What should have been Allie moment in winning the chip from Maria after months of abuse went to Gail because reasons so she delivered a HOF speech and won the KO title in the same night
She also did not lose that title because she had to relinquish it due to a back injury
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 15, 2018 15:53:49 GMT -5
During her first run Gail put people over. Jarrett is the reason why tna started as a failed project. By putting himself on top he killed the towns they were in and the fandom. Gail was a supporting act that at the end it didn’t matter if she was selfish, but Jarrett killed the main event scene. In Jeff's defense, he kind of had to at the beginning. He knew that he could trust himself. If a guy like Ken Shamrock or Ron Killings started to get really hot, Vince McMahon could have easily written a check and taken TNA's main star. By making himself the main star of TNA, he knew that he never had to worry about his top guy showing up on WWE TV. Make no mistake about it, I think he should have given up the title to guys like Monty Brown much sooner, but I do understand why he did it in the beginning. As for Gail Kim, I have never seen much in her outside of her matches with Kong, to be honest. But if you look at her TNA history, you would think she was the best thing since sliced bread. She didn't even lose the title in her retirement match, if I remember correctly. Then sign them to contracts so they won’t leave. Jarrett put himself on top and killed the live events. He killed the Nashville fairgrounds to the point that wrestling hasn’t recovered there. Verne, Fritz, and Lawler were the owners and booked themselves on top but they were draws. Jeff wasn’t.
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Post by wankah on Nov 15, 2018 20:10:49 GMT -5
Jarrett. Just for that superman act alone vs Raven.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 15, 2018 20:21:45 GMT -5
Jeff was the worst at a point, Gail was worse for longer. So, it kinda evens out, for me.
He also had the sense to know he was heel in this transparent shit. Gail has to have everyone fellate her on the mic simultaneous with her ego trip.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 15, 2018 20:25:06 GMT -5
Jarrett. Just for that superman act alone vs Raven. Jarrett as the superface and not a single fan cheering for him. A fan actually starts throwing trash in the ring after the ending.
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Post by wankah on Nov 15, 2018 20:59:58 GMT -5
Jarrett. Just for that superman act alone vs Raven. Jarrett as the superface and not a single fan cheering for him. A fan actually starts throwing trash in the ring after the ending. No wonder really. The result was even bigger downer than getting to hear that you'd been booked for a world tour only to be followed by ''as an opening act for Fozzy''. After spending about half of the match handcuffed and getting beaten up by a metal chain and bloody ECW alumni in the process, everyone thought there'd be no way in hell that anyone could book an ending where JJ ends up as a winner. Well, anyone but JJ himself.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 15, 2018 21:43:33 GMT -5
Jarrett as the superface and not a single fan cheering for him. A fan actually starts throwing trash in the ring after the ending. No wonder really. The result was even bigger downer than getting to hear that you'd been booked for a world tour only to be followed by ''as an opening act for Fozzy''. After spending about half of the match handcuffed and getting beaten up by a metal chain and bloody ECW alumni in the process, everyone thought there'd be no way in hell that anyone could book an ending where JJ ends up as a winner. Well, anyone but JJ himself. Watch the TNA year one documentary. AJ Styles and Don West said that Raven drew them their highest house ever in the Nashville Fairgrounds. I assure you that those thousands of people weren’t there to see Jeff Jarrett. Jarrett only wanted to play champion never earning money. It’s safe to say that after that match those fans never returned.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 15, 2018 21:45:11 GMT -5
Jeff was the worst at a point, Gail was worse for longer. So, it kinda evens out, for me. He also had the sense to know he was heel in this transparent shit. Gail has to have everyone fellate her on the mic simultaneous with her ego trip. Yeah pretty much this.... Jeff also seems to have realized it was a mistake to have kept himself as the badass... Gail is basically still doing it...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2018 21:50:03 GMT -5
Jeff was the worst at a point, Gail was worse for longer. So, it kinda evens out, for me. He also had the sense to know he was heel in this transparent shit. Gail has to have everyone fellate her on the mic simultaneous with her ego trip. Yeah pretty much this.... Jeff also seems to have realized it was a mistake to have kept himself as the badass... Gail is basically still doing it... Jeff essentially garnered some goodwill after he stopped being the head of everything and was mostly talent
The stuff with Kurt catching a fit over him and Karen and then the backstage skits and MMA Jarrett helped a lot
Gail has really never had that levity in TNA. She was always on top (mostly her 2nd run) and made to look like a bad ass at all times
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 15, 2018 23:08:32 GMT -5
Yeah pretty much this.... Jeff also seems to have realized it was a mistake to have kept himself as the badass... Gail is basically still doing it... Jeff essentially garnered some goodwill after he stopped being the head of everything and was mostly talent The stuff with Kurt catching a fit over him and Karen and then the backstage skits and MMA Jarrett helped a lot Gail has really never had that levity in TNA. She was always on top (mostly her 2nd run) and made to look like a bad ass at all times
I think the only real exception was when she was a heel early in her TNA tenure, and up for being the butt of the joke sometime, like Jackie Gayda stealing her skirt to try to prevent her from interfering in a cage match. (It kinda made sense in context?)
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2018 23:12:02 GMT -5
Jeff essentially garnered some goodwill after he stopped being the head of everything and was mostly talent The stuff with Kurt catching a fit over him and Karen and then the backstage skits and MMA Jarrett helped a lot Gail has really never had that levity in TNA. She was always on top (mostly her 2nd run) and made to look like a bad ass at all times
I think the only real exception was when she was a heel early in her TNA tenure, and up for being the butt of the joke sometime, like Jackie Gayda stealing her skirt to try to prevent her from interfering in a cage match. (It kinda made sense in context?) Yea, that why I said for the most part her 2nd run. Essentially once they started to establish the KO division, she never really "showed ass" in terms of made to look stupid or anything that really made her opponent who was a lesser level, come close to looking good like her
Her 1st run with Jeff and all that she def took her lumps but the women weren't taken seriously at that point at all (see Christy Hemme)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 15, 2018 23:25:12 GMT -5
I think the only real exception was when she was a heel early in her TNA tenure, and up for being the butt of the joke sometime, like Jackie Gayda stealing her skirt to try to prevent her from interfering in a cage match. (It kinda made sense in context?) Yea, that why I said for the most part her 2nd run. Essentially once they started to establish the KO division, she never really "showed ass" in terms of made to look stupid or anything that really made her opponent who was a lesser level, come close to looking good like her Her 1st run with Jeff and all that she def took her lumps but the women weren't taken seriously at that point at all (see Christy Hemme)
not only look foolish... not made to ever show any weakness... I mean the second week after Havok arrived as their big new monster heel... Gail was getting into 50/50 brawls with her... so what the hell is the point of trying to make her a monster heel if the face is equal with her? no matter the storyline or characters involved EVERYONE was made to kneel before Gail and call her the best and most wonderful wrestler that ever lived...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 15, 2018 23:33:09 GMT -5
Yea, that why I said for the most part her 2nd run. Essentially once they started to establish the KO division, she never really "showed ass" in terms of made to look stupid or anything that really made her opponent who was a lesser level, come close to looking good like her Her 1st run with Jeff and all that she def took her lumps but the women weren't taken seriously at that point at all (see Christy Hemme)
not only look foolish... not made to ever show any weakness... I mean the second week after Havok arrived as their big new monster heel... Gail was getting into 50/50 brawls with her... so what the hell is the point of trying to make her a monster heel if the face is equal with her? no matter the storyline or characters involved EVERYONE was made to kneel before Gail and call her the best and most wonderful wrestler that ever lived... Yea, that Havoc shit was a waste from jump
Also add on the Dollhouse getting their ass whooped by her 3 on 1 in a cage match. Sure they were never made to look like world beaters (Jade/Mia Yim got her shine later) but that was a squash match when it shouldn't have been. Have her win fine but she made them look like complete idiots and they couldn't even get a lucky punch in or play the numbers game before they look inept.
Also as I mentioned earlier, they had her step all over Allie moment when they built that story up for months. Keep in mind she got inducted into the HOF that night too and won the KO title. It's been a long while since I seen someone involved in a HOF angle be able to give a clean speech without putting heat on someone and then the HOF'er wins the match later that night.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 16, 2018 1:27:35 GMT -5
Has Gail pushed to kill the Impact brand in order to try and breathe life into the twitching husk of her own recently failed promotion project, gotten drunk, fired for bad behaviour and then turned around and sued for imaginary damage done to a non existent brand?
Jeff all the way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 2:41:02 GMT -5
Jeff by a mile because his decisions had an actual impact on the success or moreso the non success of the company.The Knockouts divison in Truth was never really that important it kinda just existed as a vehicle to push past their past prime or wwe castoffs or for the writers to get off by having pretty girls act like strippers & call eachother horrible names.Meanwhile the only people that thought Jeff was a main eventer was Jeff himself and the people he paid to book him as a main eventer before tna he was a career midcarder at best in WWF and in 2000 when wcw gave him a big main event push nobody bought it and the company was dead the next so 1 year after that him thinking making himself the star of his new promotion was the height of delusion and it sacrificed the growth of some talented younger talent within his company aswell as the success of his company as a whole I’m not saying Jeff isn’t talented because he is but not everyone is a main event level star in a company that hopes to be successful on a national scope and I still believe wwf used him correctly as a IC or Tag Champ title level guy
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