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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 18, 2018 23:12:11 GMT -5
They needed some kids.
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Post by S-Chrome on Nov 18, 2018 23:16:12 GMT -5
Realistically, what is a ticket buyer's incentive in going to a SmackDown show knowing that the product/talent is so much inferior to that of RAW? It's like a self-burial.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Nov 18, 2018 23:16:49 GMT -5
They should have at the very least had Smackdown win the men’s match. That way, Corbin gets fired on the spot and Braun can go apeshit on him. Or don’t even run the stupid sweep storyline in the first place.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 18, 2018 23:19:15 GMT -5
I think we're being kinda hypocritical here, in that a complaint yearly is that the brand rivalry to promote one of these types of shows feels like a waste of time, with no stakes?
But it matters now, because....? What was on the line, other than Shane's ego?
Like, I get the frustration, but we can't have it both ways. It means something, or it doesn't.
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Post by lookout on Nov 18, 2018 23:25:07 GMT -5
I liked it. *Shrug* Usually they just conveniently make it even going into the last match, so Smackdown getting murdered was neat. Exactly, the usual formula was too predictable and boring. It was nice seeing something different/landslide for once and likely gives them reasons to change things. Now if tuesday rolls around and they brush it off as if nothing happened then that would be really stupid.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 18, 2018 23:27:24 GMT -5
They should have at the very least had Smackdown win the men’s match. That way, Corbin gets fired on the spot and Braun can go apeshit on him. Or don’t even run the stupid sweep storyline in the first place. I thought Bryan could've pulled off a sneaky win over Brock, maybe even end it with Brock hitting the F5 to get his heat back.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Nov 18, 2018 23:48:12 GMT -5
Well yeah. They have Shane McMahon out there out there while AJ and Orton sitting out.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 19, 2018 0:10:23 GMT -5
I think we're being kinda hypocritical here, in that a complaint yearly is that the brand rivalry to promote one of these types of shows feels like a waste of time, with no stakes? But it matters now, because....? What was on the line, other than Shane's ego? Like, I get the frustration, but we can't have it both ways. It means something, or it doesn't. But I mean, that's wrestling, right? Every match simultaneously has no stakes and suggests the relative status of the winner and the loser. To me, this is just frustrating because it shows once again how the bookers just cannot wrap their heads around the idea that people like it when underdogs win.
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Post by schma on Nov 19, 2018 1:24:03 GMT -5
Remember when people said they were going to maybe be making Smackdown more important since it was going to a more accessible network and may even become the A show because of that broadness? Yeah fat f***ing chance I was one of those people who honestly thought that with all the money Fox threw at WWE that Smackdown would come out on top this year. I believe this is three years in a row that they've lost and it wasn't even close this year. I think we're being kinda hypocritical here, in that a complaint yearly is that the brand rivalry to promote one of these types of shows feels like a waste of time, with no stakes? But it matters now, because....? What was on the line, other than Shane's ego? Like, I get the frustration, but we can't have it both ways. It means something, or it doesn't. While people do find the brand vs brand booking ridiculous, the fact is that perception is important when it comes to WWE. There is also the fact that Smackdown has lost the two previous years and now they were shut out. If they had had even one win that might be something but literally tomorrow night will probably be 3 hours of us being told that Smackdown sucks and is inferior and terrible, but we should totally still watch it. Thanks to perception, there's a solid argument that Smackdown is inferior. If that's the case, what does it say about their talent? There were other factors as others mentioned like the dysfunctional Raw dudes owning the Smackdown team that was largely on the same page. The person who injured one of the top superstars being punished by being the sole survivor of her match and other odd booking choices.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 19, 2018 1:39:12 GMT -5
Hey Fox, you know that show you just paid a shitload of money for? It f***ing sucks. Congrats.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Nov 19, 2018 1:59:50 GMT -5
Remember when people said they were going to maybe be making Smackdown more important since it was going to a more accessible network and may even become the A show because of that broadness? Yeah fat f***ing chance I was one of those people who honestly thought that with all the money Fox threw at WWE that Smackdown would come out on top this year. I believe this is three years in a row that they've lost and it wasn't even close this year.I think we're being kinda hypocritical here, in that a complaint yearly is that the brand rivalry to promote one of these types of shows feels like a waste of time, with no stakes? But it matters now, because....? What was on the line, other than Shane's ego? Like, I get the frustration, but we can't have it both ways. It means something, or it doesn't. While people do find the brand vs brand booking ridiculous, the fact is that perception is important when it comes to WWE. There is also the fact that Smackdown has lost the two previous years and now they were shut out. If they had had even one win that might be something but literally tomorrow night will probably be 3 hours of us being told that Smackdown sucks and is inferior and terrible, but we should totally still watch it. Thanks to perception, there's a solid argument that Smackdown is inferior. If that's the case, what does it say about their talent? There were other factors as others mentioned like the dysfunctional Raw dudes owning the Smackdown team that was largely on the same page. The person who injured one of the top superstars being punished by being the sole survivor of her match and other odd booking choices. That's especially true for the women's SS matches, the Raw side has won all 3 years they've been doing the whole Brand War thingy...that's why I thought SD would win that match this year, but a big NOOOOOUUPE on that I guess.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Nov 19, 2018 3:27:52 GMT -5
In kayfabe Corbin should be made the general manager rather then acting one, nobody has had this success right?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 19, 2018 3:34:10 GMT -5
In kayfabe Corbin should be made the general manager rather then acting one, nobody has had this success right? You'd think so. I'd be more looking at the questionable management on the SmackDown side for questionable picks for their male singles team, and the lack of match fitness for their women's team and their tag division team (even though they won their match, somehow).
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Post by schma on Nov 19, 2018 3:36:49 GMT -5
In kayfabe Corbin should be made the general manager rather then acting one, nobody has had this success right? You'd think so. I'd be more looking at the questionable management on the SmackDown side for questionable picks for their male singles team, and the lack of match fitness for their women's team and their tag division team (even though they won their match, somehow). It must be Shane's influence. Remember how Paige completely nailed the last superstar trades? There's no way she had any say in this debacle if you go by kayfabe.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 19, 2018 3:48:21 GMT -5
You'd think so. I'd be more looking at the questionable management on the SmackDown side for questionable picks for their male singles team, and the lack of match fitness for their women's team and their tag division team (even though they won their match, somehow). It must be Shane's influence. Remember how Paige completely nailed the last superstar trades? There's no way she had any say in this debacle if you go by kayfabe. She nailed the trades and got herself a great roster, the problem was giving all those talents enough match time to keep up momentum and fitness, and her and Shane have let them down here. The men's team had the reps on the board, but the only one with any real momentum was Mysterio. Joe's been struggling, Hardy's damaged goods, Miz is all right but it shouldn't be up to him to be a team ace here, and Shane himself has no cardio, regardless of how many vanity trophies you luck yourself into winning. Why they looked over Orton, who has one of the strongest Survivor Series records in the history of the event, and Styles (when he became available) for their men's team is baffling. AND ANOTHER THING... You know none of the women on their team had had a match on SmackDown since the 2nd of October? If Asuka, Naomi and Carmella weren't doing Mixed Match Challenge, they'd have been way deeper in the hole than just one person in it. And the tag division... Gallows/Anderson and The Colons all hadn't had a TV match since the end of AUGUST! Sanity's last TV match was the week after that! Thank goodness they had aces like The Usos and The New Day. This whuppin' had their names on it for months.
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Post by schma on Nov 19, 2018 3:50:05 GMT -5
It must be Shane's influence. Remember how Paige completely nailed the last superstar trades? There's no way she had any say in this debacle if you go by kayfabe. She nailed the trades and got herself a great roster, the problem was giving all those talents enough match time to keep up momentum and fitness, and her and Shane have let them down here. The men's team had the reps on the board, but the only one with any real momentum was Mysterio. Joe's been struggling, Hardy's damaged goods, Miz is all right but it shouldn't be up to him to be a team ace here, and Shane himself has no cardio, regardless of how many vanity trophies you luck yourself into winning. Why they looked over Orton and Styles (when he became available) for their men's team is baffling. AND ANOTHER THING... You know none of the women on their team had had a match on SmackDown since the 2nd of October? If Asuka, Naomi and Carmella weren't doing Mixed Match Challenge, they'd have been way deeper in the hole than just one person in it. And the tag division... Gallows/Anderson and The Colons all hadn't had a TV match since the end of AUGUST! Sanity's last TV match was the week after that! Thank goodness they had aces like The Usos and The New Day. This whuppin' had their names on it for months. I actually didn't realize it had been that long for these people. That's insane.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 19, 2018 9:34:53 GMT -5
The longer you stare, the funnier it gets.
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Post by the2ndevil on Nov 19, 2018 9:38:34 GMT -5
I think we're being kinda hypocritical here, in that a complaint yearly is that the brand rivalry to promote one of these types of shows feels like a waste of time, with no stakes? But it matters now, because....? Because people here tend to enjoy SmackDown more.
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Post by Spider2024 on Nov 19, 2018 9:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 19, 2018 11:11:59 GMT -5
By the way
20 people didn't kill themselves for WWE to say the pre-show match didn't matter. Imagine being Kallisto with the injured leg, or anyone involved in that German Suplex spot and then the company telling people you're irrelevant.
This is horseshit.
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