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Post by RI Richmark on Nov 19, 2018 21:13:39 GMT -5
Well the Baseball Hall of Fame has just announced it's ballot for this year. For the last few years we held our own ballot and once again it's time to have our say.
In previous years we've actually been a lot tougher than the BBWAA. In fact the last two years as NOBODY got the necessary 75% for induction. With that in mind I decided to make a small change to the rules. For this year only 70% of the vote is required rather than 75%. I haven't decided if this rule change will be permanent, I want to see how this year plays out first.
All other rules remain the same as the rules for the BBWAA. You can vote for up to 10 of the players listed here. If for some reason you don't think any of the players are worthy then there is a blank ballot option but if you click it you can't vote for anybody else.
Voting will close and the winners will be announced on Jan 1, 2019 a couple of weeks before the Hall of Fame announces it's results. Have fun and good luck to all the nominees.
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Post by fw91 on Nov 20, 2018 16:38:08 GMT -5
Halliday Marinez Mussina Rivera Schilling
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Post by Heart of fools gold on Nov 20, 2018 17:22:16 GMT -5
Lance Berkman: Just a nice solid quality career that I think people tend to forget about. (Maybe belongs in the Hall of good enough, but I believe in voting for 10)
Barry Bonds: One of the best all time, I stopped caring about the roids.
Roger Clemens: See Bonds
Roy Halladay: I personally think he is a bit overrated but I cant deny his peek was phenomenal
Todd Helton: Like Berkeman just a nice solid quality career that I think people tend to forget about. (Maybe belongs in the Hall of good enough, but I believe in voting for 10)
Edgar Martinez: The best DH of all time, don't @ me about Papi, and if Papi is gonna get in then Edgar deserves to get in.
Mike Mussina: He deserves to get in, one of the most underrated pitchers of his era!
Andy Pettitte: Not the prettiest regular season resume but his postseason work makes up for it. See others for roids
Manny Ramirez: A great player, great career, see Bonds and Clemens for roids
Mariano Rivera: Greatest closer all time and 2nd best closer isn't even close to touching Mo's greatness.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Nov 21, 2018 7:36:13 GMT -5
Todd Helton Roy Halladay Edgar Martinez Mariano Rivera
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Post by Fundertaker on Nov 21, 2018 8:09:36 GMT -5
Barry Bonds Roy Halladay Todd Helton Andruw Jones Edgar Martinez Mike Mussina Manny Ramirez Mariano Rivera Omar Vizquel Vernon Wells
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Nov 22, 2018 12:47:45 GMT -5
Bonds, Clemens Rivera Ramirez
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 8:48:04 GMT -5
Bonds, Clemens, Helton, McGriff, Walker
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 23, 2018 10:07:46 GMT -5
Bonds, Manny, Clemens should all be in. PED stuff or not, they were all crazy good.
Schilling is a jackass these days, and his career reg season numbers were borderline, but he was a playoff monster and a 2X World Series Champion. He belongs in there.
Lastly, what the f*** is Kevin Youkilis doing on an HOF ballott?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 13:55:26 GMT -5
Bonds, Manny, Clemens should all be in. PED stuff or not, they were all crazy good. Schilling is a jackass these days, and his career reg season numbers were borderline, but he was a playoff monster and a 2X World Series Champion. He belongs in there. Lastly, what the f*** is Kevin Youkilis doing on an HOF ballott? On a ballot that features Jason Bay and Ted Lilly, you single out Youkilis?
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Post by Cyno on Nov 23, 2018 15:58:52 GMT -5
Mo Rivera
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Roy Halliday
Todd Helton
Edgar Martinez
Andy Pettitte
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Don't think any of the other names are worth the 10th spot.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 23, 2018 17:29:13 GMT -5
Bonds, Manny, Clemens should all be in. PED stuff or not, they were all crazy good. Schilling is a jackass these days, and his career reg season numbers were borderline, but he was a playoff monster and a 2X World Series Champion. He belongs in there. Lastly, what the f*** is Kevin Youkilis doing on an HOF ballott? On a ballot that features Jason Bay and Ted Lilly, you single out Youkilis? Oh no, they're garbage picks too
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Post by RI Richmark on Nov 24, 2018 1:21:08 GMT -5
On a ballot that features Jason Bay and Ted Lilly, you single out Youkilis? Oh no, they're garbage picks too I think anyone who's ever made a couple of All-Star game gets on the ballot. They want to cast a wide net.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Nov 24, 2018 1:52:50 GMT -5
Bonds-Top 5ish all time hitter Clemens-Top 5ish all time Pitcher Schilling-Elite MVP level pitcher for years Halladay-See above M Ramirez-12 time all star E Martinez-GOAT DH Rivera-GOAT CLOSER McGriff-He knows what instructional video's get results
Just missed No Helton -Borderlineish,but if he get's in Walker should have first
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Post by BRV on Dec 24, 2018 13:53:21 GMT -5
Here are my eight inductees and the reasoning behind each selection.
- Barry Bonds: You want to put it on his plaque that he was a PED guy? Be my guest. Babe Ruth didn't have to play against players of color. Hank Aaron hit his 755 home runs in an era when amphetamines were passed around like chewable vitamins. If you look hard enough, I'm sure you could find something to accuse every baseball player ever. But don't ignore the 494 home runs, 471 stolen bases, three MVP awards and nine All-Star appearances that he achieved before his alleged steroid use began. Also, he's baseball's all-time home run king. In an era when almost everybody was cheating, he was still the most feared hitter in the game.
- Roger Clemens: Like Bonds, he was a Hall of Famer before the alleged PED use, and like Bonds he deserves enshrinement. One of the most dominant power pitchers ever, plain and simple. And like Bonds, if you want to slap an asterisk on his plaque, feel free.
- Roy Halladay: Halladay is in familiar territory alongside the likes of Mike Mussina and Curt Schilling as pitchers who were absolutely dominant for stretches of their career but they never hit those benchmarks for surefire Hall of Fame induction. Halladay didn’t reach 300 wins or 3,000 strikeouts and he’s only got three years of playoff baseball on his resume. That said, he was an absolute wrecking ball on the mound in his prime. An eight-time All-Star, Halladay won two Cy Young Awards and finished in the top five in Cy Young voting seven times. He was remarkably consistent, making more than 30 starts in eight seasons during his 10-year run of dominance from 2002 through 2011. He also peppered the strike zone, leading the league in K/BB ratio five times. And while it’s similar to those who make the “Jack Morris in Game 7 in 1991” argument, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out Halladay’s no-hitter in the 2010 NLDS, during which he looked (and was) absolutely unhittable.
- Todd Helton: He may have had the benefit of the Mile High air of Coors Field for the duration of his career, but Helton raked wherever he played. He hit .300 or better 12 times in his 17-year career, including a .372 season in 2000 when it seemed entirely plausible that he’d flirt with .400. Even though he had the thin air of Denver to his advantage, he wasn’t just a power hitter, hitting 30 or more home runs six times. He could seemingly put the ball anywhere on the field at a whim, making it look effortless at times. While he never won an MVP award and was largely overshadowed in the National League by the likes of Barry Bonds and Albert Pujols, he has five All-Stars and three Gold Gloves on his resume.
- Andruw Jones: He probably won’t ever get into Cooperstown, but man does he deserve it. Probably the best defensive centerfielder of his era right alongside Jim Edmonds, Jones won 10 consecutive Gold Gloves patrolling center for the Braves. Jones, like Omar Vizquel, deserves recognition for his defensive acumen alone, but it’s his bat that puts him over the top as a first-ballot inductee for me. His 434 home runs are eye-popping numbers for a guy best regarded for his defense.
- Manny Ramirez: An admittedly biased pick given my allegiances, but Manny Ramirez's credentials are impossibly to deny. He was a weapon in the batter's box, making hitting look effortless. A career .312 hitter with 555 home runs, he will face the wrath of voters because of his links to performance-enhancers but you could tell with his beautiful, natural swing that he was just made for baseball. He would have been a .300 hitter even if he didn't juice, as he and Albert Pujols were nos. 1 and 1a as the best right-handed hitters of their era.
- Mariano Rivera: I’ve never been enamored with voting for relief pitchers for induction to Cooperstown. I never cast a ballot for Trevor Hoffman, for example. But I’d be a fool to pass on voting for Rivera, the greatest relief pitcher ever. The numbers speak for themselves – 652 saves, a lifetime 2.21 ERA, a career 1.00 WHIP, 13 All-Star appearances. And if I’m voting for Curt Schilling largely based on postseason performance, I’d be hard-pressed to ignore Rivera’s career 0.70 ERA in 96 playoff games. As a Red Sox fan, it felt like game over as soon as he trotted out to the hill, to the point where the players who actually got to him – Shea Hillenbrand, Bill Mueller – are still remembered for those singular moments, because it felt so unfathomable that they’d be able to get a hit off of him.
- Curt Schilling: My 2014 and 2015 ballots did not include Schilling, but I've warmed to his candidacy over the past few years. He doesn't have longevity on his side, having been an ace pitcher for about a decade and he never won a Cy Young Award, but he was a bulldog on the mound and was the kind of guy you could hand the ball to in October and know he'd get the job done. 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 19 postseason starts, Schilling was a driving force on three World Series champions and four World Series finalists spread over 14 years. While his starts in the 2004 postseason were memorable for how he gutted out an ankle injury, his performance in the 2001 World Series is one of the single most dominant playoff pitching performances ever.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 30, 2018 15:38:30 GMT -5
Bonds Clemens Halladay Andruw Jones Edgar Martinez Mike Mussina Mo Rivera Scott Rolen (why exactly does Vizquel get more consideration than Scott Rolen?) Curt Schilling Larry Walker
Manny Ramirez, Todd Helton, Gary Sheffield should all be in as well, if I had 13 spots.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 1, 2019 7:58:35 GMT -5
Well, only a few hours left to go. As of this post 30 people have voted. That means a player would have to get 21 votes in order to cross the 70% threshold and get inducted (it would have been 23 votes under the old 75% threshold). The voters also voted for an average of a little more than 8 players per ballot. We had simular averages in past years but it turns out that votes were spread out over a large number of players so we'll see how this turns out.
As for my votes: Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Edgar Martinez Mariano Rivera Curt Schilling
I admit I keep going back and forth about Manny Ramirez. For me, while PED use isn't an automatic disqualification, again I voted for Bonds and Clemens, I just can't ignore it either. Thing is for most of Clemens and Bonds' carrers while PED use was technically illegal, MLB just looked the other way so it was easy for players to succumb to pressure and rationalize using them.
But Manny's suspensions came when MLB was now actively trying to stop PED use. They made it clear that they weren't looking the other way anymore. And even if he got caught once I could excuse that. Everyone makes mistakes. But TWICE!? I just can't excuse that.
It's hard because I loved Manny as a player (even though he could be absolutely infuriating at times) and I think he would have been a great player even without PEDs. Maybe one day I'll change my mind but I'm not there yet.
Anyway, the voting will be revealed today at 5:00 PM EST. Thanks to all who voted.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 1, 2019 17:52:31 GMT -5
Well, the results are in and we actually have players to induct this year. Four of them in fact, the most since I started doing this in 2014. 31 people voted this year meaning a player needed 22 votes (21.7 actually) to reach 70% needed for induction. They are: Mariano Rivera As expected, Major League Baseball's All-Time saves leader was the top vote getter. Rivera got 28 out of 31 votes (90%). Rivera was a 5 time champion with the New York Yankees and a 13 time All-Star. He lead the league in saves 3 times and was a 5 time Reliever of the Year. He is widely considered to be the Greatest Closer of All-Time. Barry Bonds. Major League Baseball's All-Time Home Run leader finally breaks through with 24 votes (77%) In my opinion this was long overdue. Bonds was the All-Time leader in career homeruns, single season homeruns and walks. A 12 time Silver Slugger, 14 time All-Star and 7 time MVP while suspected PED use clouded parts of his career, Bonds was one of the most dominant hitters of any era. Roy Halladay The late Roy Halladay makes it in with 23 votes (74%). An 8 time All-Star and 2 time Cy Young Award winner, Halladay was one of the most dominant pitchers of his era. Not only does he have a perfect game on his resmue he also pitched a no hitter in the Postseason, one of only two pitchers to do so, the other being Don Larsen. Roger Clemens The Rocket Man just makes it in with 22 votes (70.9%). This is another induction that is long overdue. Clemens was one of the most dominant pitchers from the mid 80's to the mid 2000's. Clemens was an 11 time All-Star, a record 7 time Cy Young Award winner and the 1986 AL MVP. He lead the league in strikeouts 5 times and TWICE struck out 20 batters in a game (a record he shares with 3 other people). He won 2 World Series Championships with the Yankees. Halladay and Clemens benefited from my 70% threshold as they wouldn't have qualified under the old 75%. As for those who didn't make it, Edgar Martinez came oh so close, coming one vote (actually 0.7 vote) short with 21 (68%) in his 10th and final year on the ballot. The next closest were Manny Ramirez and Curt Schilling with 16 votes each. Congratulations to our new inductees and good luck to all players on the real ballot. And once again thank you to all our voters for participating. See you again next year.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 1, 2019 23:52:41 GMT -5
Voting Breakdown:
1. Mariano Rivera 28 Votes 90% 2. Barry Bonds 24 Votes 77% 3. Roy Halladay 23 Votes 74% 4. Roger Clemens 22 Votes 71% -------------------------------------- 5. Edgar Martinez* 21 Votes 68% T6. Manny Ramirez 16 Votes 52% T6. Curt Schilling 16 Votes 52% 8. Mike Mussina 15 Votes 48% 9. Andruw Jones 12 Votes 39% T10. Todd Helton 10 Votes 32% T10. Fred McGriff* 10 Votes 32% 12. Gary Sheffield 9 Votes 29% T13. Andy Pettitte 7 Votes 23% T13. Sammy Sosa 7 Votes 23% T13. Larry Walker 7 Votes 23% T16. Scott Rolen 5 Votes 16% T16. Miguel Tejada 5 Votes 16% T18. Lance Berkman 3 Votes 10% T18. Jeff Kent 3 Votes 10% T18. Juan Pierre 3 Votes 10% T18. Omar Vizquel 3 Votes 10% T22. Travis Hafner 2 Votes 6% T22. Roy Oswalt 2 Votes 6% T22. Billy Wagner 2 Votes 6% T22. Vernon Wells 2 Votes 6% ------------------------------------ 26. Derek Lowe 1 Vote 3% T27. Rick Ankiel 0 Votes 0% T27. Jason Bay 0 Votes 0% T27. Freddy Garcia 0 Votes 0% T27. John Garland 0 Votes 0% T27. Ted Lily 0 Votes 0% T27. Darren Oliver 0 Votes 0% T27. Placido Polanco 0 Votes 0% T27. Kevin Youkilis 0 Votes 0% T27. Michael Young 0 Votes 0%
Notes: Any player with less than 5% of the vote would be eliminated from the balloti * These players were on thier 10th year on the ballot and would have exhausted thier eligibility.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 3, 2019 15:29:32 GMT -5
Which 3 of you voted for Juan Pierre?
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Post by Cyno on Jan 3, 2019 17:49:18 GMT -5
Another thing with Rivera is that, if you pay attention to sabremetrics, he has statistically the best ERA+ of all time for any pitcher.
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