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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 25, 2018 18:06:17 GMT -5
If TNA ultimately had everything swing their way what do you think their ceiling could have been
I think even at their best they would have never over taken WWE but they would have been competitive and had a lock on the number 2 promotion in the world
Makes you wonder how their relationship with NJPW would have gone too if you think NJPW still rises to the highs it is enjoying today
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 19:42:21 GMT -5
When you're WWE the sky is the limit.
When you're TNA your limit's the sky.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Nov 25, 2018 20:01:02 GMT -5
They probably hit it with the 1.1.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 25, 2018 20:39:55 GMT -5
I think they could have grown out of the 1.1 and the stable million-ish viewers they had, but it would have taken a lot of work and patience. They made a lot of boneheaded and destructive decisions, but they had all the opportunities in the world and the best shot to be a strong second brand. They could have been bigger, but the people in charge had no idea how to bringi t to those heights
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 26, 2018 4:53:21 GMT -5
Samoa Joe continuing to break ppv records and Russo was never hired back. That decision Dixie made in late 06 sentenced the company.
Unfortunately for tna to ever had the shot at being successful they needed management to step up and that didn’t happen. Jerry Jarrett is one of the best wrestling minds ever, unfortunately to please his son, he let him become the face of the company, he also let Russo call the company the joke that derailed them everytime they tried to have a meeting with executives, they giggled everytime they heard tna.
Then came the Panda administration. The Carter family never cared much for the company, they only saw it as an amusement park attraction in Universal Studios, their daughter Dixie then turned tna into her reality show.
Because of poor management I can’t see any way that tna could’ve reached a higher ceiling that what they got on SPIKE. In a perfect world Callis and D’Amore would’ve been running it from the beginning and the company would’ve at least reached a higher success than what they got.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 8:42:16 GMT -5
a lot of WWE fans only care about WWE, they'e not even wrestling fans per se
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Nov 26, 2018 10:00:27 GMT -5
I'd say an off-white with a very rough texture.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 10:32:33 GMT -5
It could have competed with WWE. It had that much potential.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 26, 2018 12:35:50 GMT -5
a lot of WWE fans only care about WWE, they'e not even wrestling fans per se Don’t even start that because it’s wrong
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Post by timelimitdraw on Nov 26, 2018 13:07:32 GMT -5
I remember going to a house show in the old Cincinnati Gardens where they got about 2,000 folks there in 2009 without doing much, if any, publicity for it.
They should be a solid, profitable company that operates worldwide. Instead, they were shadily sold to a Canadian company who realized too late that it was too far gone and repositioned in hopes of becoming a profitable, televised indy instead.
As much as their repeated creative failures led to their decline, their failure to effectively market and merchandise their brand pretty much guaranteed they'd have a low ceiling at best.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Nov 26, 2018 13:15:30 GMT -5
I remember going to a house show in the old Cincinnati Gardens where they got about 2,000 folks there in 2009 without doing much, if any, publicity for it. They should be a solid, profitable company that operates worldwide. Instead, they were shadily sold to a Canadian company who realized too late that it was too far gone and repositioned in hopes of becoming a profitable, televised indy instead. As much as their repeated creative failures led to their decline, their failure to effectively market and merchandise their brand pretty much guaranteed they'd have a low ceiling at best. Dixie has a major in advertisement but she never advertised her own company. AJ told once a depressing story about meeting a tna fan who had no idea they were running a show in town.
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Post by markymark on Nov 26, 2018 13:34:19 GMT -5
At least probably competing head to head with Smackdown.
Smackdown ratings are on par with what Impact was doing in 2009-2011.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 26, 2018 16:28:28 GMT -5
I think a legit weekly 2.0-ish rating with some reliability was very possible at their peak. Their realistic ceiling was a solid #2 in the industry and making actual real money.
Sure you can get into 1% chance stuff where TNA ends up selling 76 billion Eric Young Plastic Beards and they buy Disney by 2020.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 28, 2018 23:12:11 GMT -5
The #2 promotion in America.
With a decent size number of fans and being a true alternative to WWE.
They were never going to be real competition with them, but being the alternative is not a bad thing...
had they stuck with that and ignored the WWE and stuck with what THEY were doing and THEIR identity being a #2 and making money is a great state to be in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 1:37:47 GMT -5
The #2 promotion in America. With a decent size number of fans and being a true alternative to WWE. They were never going to be real competition with them, but being the alternative is not a bad thing... had they stuck with that and ignored the WWE and stuck with what THEY were doing and THEIR identity being a #2 and making money is a great state to be in. This. They were never touching WWE but they didn't need to and one of their many failings was refusing to acknowledge that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 3:24:51 GMT -5
The Roof
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 3:54:18 GMT -5
Even when it was on fire?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 20:40:24 GMT -5
Honestly? I think that they could have been where New Japan is now if they'd have been patient like New Japan was in terms of building the promotion.
At one time they had: AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, Kurt Angle, Sting... I mean, Paul Heyman would have cut a foot off to have those toys to play with back in the ECW days.
They should have presented themselves as a stripped down, sports-like product with a bit of old school southern 'rasslin thrown in. There's a market for that, as the buildup for All In demonstrated.
They had creative people that knew what they were doing (Dutch Mantel), and people who knew how to operate on a shoe string budget (Jim Cornette... just don't let him near creative, too much). They could have worked up slowly on the backs of the top tier guys that they have, and have made themselves the territory of talented wrestlers who maybe don't want to be part of the WWE machine and grind.
Instead, they let Russo be Russo and we got a shitty revamp of the Attitude Era that even by that point hadn't aged well at all.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 3, 2018 10:39:41 GMT -5
At least probably competing head to head with Smackdown. Smackdown ratings are on par with what Impact was doing in 2009-2011. No. Smackdown never went to the pathetic 1.1 rating. The biggest tna rating ever was 2.0 during their first Monday night showing and the following week they went to 1.2 or around that number. Smackdown had bad numbers but never to the tna level.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 3, 2018 17:46:22 GMT -5
At least probably competing head to head with Smackdown. Smackdown ratings are on par with what Impact was doing in 2009-2011. No. Smackdown never went to the pathetic 1.1 rating. The biggest tna rating ever was 2.0 during their first Monday night showing and the following week they went to 1.2 or around that number. Smackdown had bad numbers but never to the tna level. Yeah, the closest they ever got to was ECW on SYFY... and they couldn't beat them consistently... (this of course lead them to realize WE GOTTA GO HEAD TO HEAD WITH RAW!)
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