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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 29, 2018 3:57:22 GMT -5
They didn't seem to have any problem having EC3 job to Johnny Gargano at the Evolve show I went to in 2016 right before the CWC. Jarrett was running things into the ground at that point and was more concerned with pushing GFW rather than the company paying him. 'Jeff, EC3 has been asked to job at an Evolve show, is that okay?' 'Evolve? You mean the way Impact is evolving into GFW? Sure, he's going to be jobbing a lot anyway... Is there any way we can piss off the Hardys as part of the deal?'
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Post by Muskrat on Nov 29, 2018 7:26:35 GMT -5
Yeah, that's my feelings. I wouldn't want my tag champs taking a random fall to the guys who are literally promoted as developmental talent. It just seemed like a weird "no-win" situation for TNA unless they were that set on getting their guys some more bookings. Disappointing, because I recall Impact management making a big deal in interviews during recent months about how they have a different outlook nowadays (compared to previous management regimes) where they care more about the guys getting work, making a living, letting them have the rights to their own names and control their own bookings, etc. While this situation "sounds" like a losing proposition for Impact (but a monetarily winning proposition for the talent), the reality is, this match would've taken place in front of 300 people in a nightclub. Who cares? It just costs the guys a booking and the fans who would've been there the opportunity to see the match. Just a lame move. WWE has made it so that NXT/NXT UK talent who work with outside promotions such as EVOLVE and Progress etc. are no longer allowed to work with any talent contracted to NJPW, ROH, or Impact. I don't blame Impact for pulling the plug on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 8:53:14 GMT -5
Disappointing, because I recall Impact management making a big deal in interviews during recent months about how they have a different outlook nowadays (compared to previous management regimes) where they care more about the guys getting work, making a living, letting them have the rights to their own names and control their own bookings, etc. While this situation "sounds" like a losing proposition for Impact (but a monetarily winning proposition for the talent), the reality is, this match would've taken place in front of 300 people in a nightclub. Who cares? It just costs the guys a booking and the fans who would've been there the opportunity to see the match. Just a lame move. WWE has made it so that NXT/NXT UK talent who work with outside promotions such as EVOLVE and Progress etc. are no longer allowed to work with any talent contracted to NJPW, ROH, or Impact. I don't blame Impact for pulling the plug on this one. Where has that been specified by WWE? All I've been told was that certain NXT UK talent has been given new contracts that will not permit them to continue to work for certain European independent companies any longer (with some exceptions). I haven't heard anything about talent under regular WWE developmental contracts (the guys in Florida at the Performance Center) not being permitted to be in matches with wrestlers from Impact, ROH, etc. With the exception of Evolve, none of those regular developmental guys are even allowed to work for typical independent companies anyway, for it to ever be an issue. If such a rule exists, it would be for Evolve only. Once they sign their WWE contracts and finish up any existing commitments, they're WWE exclusive. The NXT UK talent had different deals originally, which let them keep working indies. Gabe Sapolsky, a WWE/NXT employee, was the one who booked this particular match to begin with, so he would know what "rules" like that would be in place, if they are. If he wasn't allowed to make the match to begin with, and had no idea that he wasn't permitted to do it, that's a whole different story. If that wasn't the case, then nothing about this seems to indicate that the match "couldn't happen" as far as the WWE end was concerned. Just that Impact got worried and forced their guys to cancel off the show.
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Post by markymark on Nov 29, 2018 8:54:28 GMT -5
According to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the decision was made by Impact officials because they did not want their current world tag team champions wrestling against, and potentially losing to NXT Superstars (the Street Profits are also the EVOLVE Tag Team Champions), especially due to the event being broadcast live. Furthermore, apparently Impact at this point considers EVOLVE to be close enough to a WWE product that it just doesn’t make sense to have two of their top stars working on a show that may at some point end up on the WWE Network. It has been rumored for a very long time that the company may be opening up a more expensive tier of their Network which would allegedly include content from independent promotions they are partnered with. www.prowrestling.com/backstage-news-on-impact-wrestling-pulling-lax-from-upcoming-match-against-nxt-superstars/
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 29, 2018 18:13:02 GMT -5
I'm surprised no-one has said this is another example of TNA being averse to profits.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 29, 2018 18:57:38 GMT -5
It's going to be funny when after everyone throws all these reasons and justifications out, it turns out TNA just had to pull LAX so they could try out for The Amazing Race. Lmao. Konnan wilding out on reality tv would be tremendous
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Post by MrElijah on Nov 29, 2018 19:13:26 GMT -5
It's going to be funny when after everyone throws all these reasons and justifications out, it turns out TNA just had to pull LAX so they could try out for The Amazing Race. Lmao. Konnan wilding out on reality tv would be tremendous Konnan: Yo, peel these potatoes and toss that salad!! Gordan Ramsay: I'm peeling, I'm bloody peeling! How the f***ing hell I loss control of this show anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 19:26:49 GMT -5
Not that I know better but does it really affect a fan's opinion on a wrestler these days if someone loses to someone else in a different company? Like will my decision to support Impact or not really depend on a match like this?
I don't blame anyone being trepidatious about getting too close to WWE though, they seem to really want everything right now.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 29, 2018 20:19:08 GMT -5
LAX was announced several days before the match was. Could they not have just booked them against someone else? Who made this genius call to book this particular match?
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Post by Shark on Nov 29, 2018 20:21:03 GMT -5
Why would Impact want one of their top teams wrestling (and losing to, let's be honest) an obscure WWE developmental team with no name value, especially in a time where WWE is signing away literally everyone that breathes in their direction slightly? Like, I'm not one to defend TNA decision making, but this is the best course of action they could have taken. I think calling them an obscure team a bit unfair. The Street Profits have gotten a ton of TV time over the past year and have a growing popularity with fans. I agree Impact did the right thing here, I'm actually a little surprised the match was even put together.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 29, 2018 20:42:13 GMT -5
LAX was announced several days before the match was. Could they not have just booked them against someone else? Who made this genius call to book this particular match? Not sure how it was a bad call to make; booking your reigning tag champs against a notable tag team on the indie scene is sort of a quintessential move for every indie fed able to afford to book name talents. I can guarantee The Bucks have probably dozens of one-offs in local indies where the whole conceit was "come in, sell lots of tickets, and put over our tag champs". Gabe wouldn't have figured TNA was going to pull the guys from the booking over it.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 29, 2018 20:46:50 GMT -5
LAX was announced several days before the match was. Could they not have just booked them against someone else? Who made this genius call to book this particular match? Not sure how it was a bad call to make; booking your reigning tag champs against a notable tag team on the indie scene is sort of a quintessential move for every indie fed able to afford to book name talents. I can guarantee The Bucks have probably dozens of one-offs in local indies where the whole conceit was "come in, sell lots of tickets, and put over our tag champs". Gabe wouldn't have figured TNA was going to pull the guys from the booking over it. Im not a booker, but I think I could safely assume that having booked teams from the number one and two promotions in the United States, one side or the other might have an issue with their dudes taking the pin. At the very least, if my plan was to match them up i’d damn sure get their management on the same page as me before I announced anything.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 29, 2018 21:06:35 GMT -5
Not sure how it was a bad call to make; booking your reigning tag champs against a notable tag team on the indie scene is sort of a quintessential move for every indie fed able to afford to book name talents. I can guarantee The Bucks have probably dozens of one-offs in local indies where the whole conceit was "come in, sell lots of tickets, and put over our tag champs". Gabe wouldn't have figured TNA was going to pull the guys from the booking over it. Im not a booker, but I think I could safely assume that having booked teams from the number one and two promotions in the United States, one side or the other might have an issue with their dudes taking the pin. At the very least, if my plan was to match them up i’d damn sure get their management on the same page as me before I announced anything. But that can apply all the way down the line. TNA is definitely not the number two promotion in the US right now, EVOLVE is not themselves WWE, and they just wanted to do something everyone else is doing. ROH doesn't step in to stop The Bucks from losing to local tag teams. If TNA doesn't want their guys losing to WWE guys then fine, that's their perogative, but that's not the fault of the booker putting on the best tag match he could make with the booking because that is a very specific and honestly kinda weird thing to decide "No we can't have this, pull them". Again, this is ultra basic indie booking of outside tag teams, I don't think Gabe had any reason to expect it was going to be an issue
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 29, 2018 21:11:31 GMT -5
Im not a booker, but I think I could safely assume that having booked teams from the number one and two promotions in the United States, one side or the other might have an issue with their dudes taking the pin. At the very least, if my plan was to match them up i’d damn sure get their management on the same page as me before I announced anything. But that can apply all the way down the line. TNA is definitely not the number two promotion in the US right now, EVOLVE is not themselves WWE, and they just wanted to do something everyone else is doing. ROH doesn't step in to stop The Bucks from losing to local tag teams. If TNA doesn't want their guys losing to WWE guys then fine, that's their perogative, but that's not the fault of the booker putting on the best tag match he could make with the booking because that is a very specific and honestly kinda weird thing to decide "No we can't have this, pull them". Again, this is ultra basic indie booking of outside tag teams, I don't think Gabe had any reason to expect it was going to be an issue Except that’s the thing. He has LAX booked. Any number of possible matchups against their main roster. If he wanted to match them against a WWE team, that’s a radical idea, but if he is in any way competent it has to have crossed his mind that TNA may have an issue with their guys looking inferior against a WWE team, in which case the first step would be to approach TNA with the plan and say “are you ok with this?”, which it seems manifestly did not happen. Instead he just booked it and hoped for the best, and now he looks like a moron. LAX lost not that long ago against the Rascals at PWG in a match that due to the promotions profile will probably be seen by more than a few people. I don’t think TNA gives a shit because Zach Wentz and Desmond Xavier aren’t going to show up in WWE next week. This is different.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 29, 2018 21:18:27 GMT -5
But that can apply all the way down the line. TNA is definitely not the number two promotion in the US right now, EVOLVE is not themselves WWE, and they just wanted to do something everyone else is doing. ROH doesn't step in to stop The Bucks from losing to local tag teams. If TNA doesn't want their guys losing to WWE guys then fine, that's their perogative, but that's not the fault of the booker putting on the best tag match he could make with the booking because that is a very specific and honestly kinda weird thing to decide "No we can't have this, pull them". Again, this is ultra basic indie booking of outside tag teams, I don't think Gabe had any reason to expect it was going to be an issue Except that’s the thing. He has LAX booked. Any number of possible matchups against their main roster. If he wanted to match them against a WWE team, that’s a radical idea, but if he is in any way competent it has to have crossed his mind that TNA may have an issue with their guys looking inferior against a WWE team, in which case the first step would be to approach TNA with the plan and say “are you ok with this?”, which it seems manifestly did not happen. LAX lost not that long ago against the Rascals at PWG in a match that due to the promotions profile will probably be seen by more than a few people. I don’t think TNA gives a shit because Zach Wentz and Desmond Xavier aren’t going to show up in WWE next week. This is different. Or he didn't think TNA was going to take specific issue with a WWE developmental team working for an indie on the side beating their tag champs. This is a pretty unprecedented and weird aspect that's easy to overlook in what is otherwise a bog standard booking idea. If he's looking at things only in terms of "my tag team champs" instead of "a WWE team" and his goal is to book the best-drawing match then no, it's not really a radical idea and I don't think that this one weird oversight is a reason to declare Gabe Sapolsky incompetent.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Nov 29, 2018 21:51:02 GMT -5
Except that’s the thing. He has LAX booked. Any number of possible matchups against their main roster. If he wanted to match them against a WWE team, that’s a radical idea, but if he is in any way competent it has to have crossed his mind that TNA may have an issue with their guys looking inferior against a WWE team, in which case the first step would be to approach TNA with the plan and say “are you ok with this?”, which it seems manifestly did not happen. LAX lost not that long ago against the Rascals at PWG in a match that due to the promotions profile will probably be seen by more than a few people. I don’t think TNA gives a shit because Zach Wentz and Desmond Xavier aren’t going to show up in WWE next week. This is different. Or he didn't think TNA was going to take specific issue with a WWE developmental team working for an indie on the side beating their tag champs. This is a pretty unprecedented and weird aspect that's easy to overlook in what is otherwise a bog standard booking idea. If he's looking at things only in terms of "my tag team champs" instead of "a WWE team" and his goal is to book the best-drawing match then no, it's not really a radical idea and I don't think that this one weird oversight is a reason to declare Gabe Sapolsky incompetent. Agree to disagree? I think this was an entirely foreseeable problem, easily addressed, and instead he just chose not to. You’ve got a different perception, and that’s fine.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 2:49:08 GMT -5
It was booked as a 3-way tag match. Who is to say his "safe" booking plan to avoid a political mess wouldn't have been (gasp!) Leon Ruff getting pinned by one of the Street Profits. That would've made the most sense.
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Post by héad.casé on Nov 30, 2018 5:17:33 GMT -5
Response from Santana of LAX.
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Post by markymark on Nov 30, 2018 15:18:09 GMT -5
We are sorry to inform you that Impact Wrestling has pulled LAX off the upcoming EVOLVE dates. EVOLVE officials were contacted by LAX and informed that they were needed for something else that weekend. No other explanation was given. Impact Wrestling didn’t contact EVOLVE officials and left it up to LAX. There is no heat on LAX as WWN understands the situation they were put in. EVOLVE officials had told LAX that the plan was to have matches with EVOLVE Tag Team Champions The Street Profits of Montez Ford & Angelo Dawkins that weekend. EVOLVE was informed that LAX would not be able to lose in those matches. In order to avoid any political issues, EVOLVE made one night a triple threat match and the other night a six man tag. This would give the fans the LAX vs. Street Profits matches they wanted, while protecting all parties politically. Unfortunately, Impact Wrestling waited until the matches were announced and then pulled the talent the next day. This all could have easily been avoided by not allowing LAX to take the dates in the first place. EVOLVE will no longer consider booking Impact Wrestling contracted talent moving forward. EVOLVE officials are currently working on a replacement and will have news early next week. We apologize for the lineup change, but assure you that EVOLVE will produce something special on for EVOLVE 117 December 15th in Queens, NY and EVOLVE 118 on December 16th in Deer Park, NY. Thank you for your support. thesportsdaily.com/2018/11/30/evolve-says-they-will-no-longer-book-impact-wrestling-talents-following-recent-lax-situation-tfs1102/That sounds like Gabe got butthurt tbh.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Nov 30, 2018 15:55:42 GMT -5
Gabes time at the WWE obedient centre has taught him well
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