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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 10, 2019 15:29:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the OT part. The extra points I do like.
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Post by . on Apr 14, 2019 11:07:39 GMT -5
There is a tremendous irony with Vince making sure the XFL making sure games don't drag too long but happily going over time on a 7 hr PPV
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 14, 2019 14:23:57 GMT -5
My guess is that they want to avoid another snl incident.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 14, 2019 14:25:13 GMT -5
My guess is that they want to avoid another snl incident. I doubt NBC will air the XFL again so they don't have to worry about that.
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Post by bitteroldman on Apr 14, 2019 19:39:22 GMT -5
My guess is that they want to avoid another snl incident. I doubt NBC will air the XFL again so they don't have to worry about that. Wasn't CBS airing the AAF prior its folding? The XFL can't be any more of a risk than that and if a deal can be struck where the price is right, then yes they would. Networks are always looking for reasonably priced shows, and if the XFL targets the right pool of players then they could offer a viable alternative. Right now a player has to burn all their college eligibility along with being 3 years removed from graduating high school before they are NFL eligible. If the XFL was to allow drafting of any player as soon as their hs class graduates they could offer a viable alternative to playing college ball. There is a lot of talent out their who really have no interest in a college education and who would jump at the opportunity to play for what might be little more than the NFL minimum (but doesn't have to be) for several years before making the jump to the NFL. If top recruits could be lured away from major college programs the XFL could work. It would also bust the balls of college sports, where coaches and AD's make millions off the labors of poor kids who in most cases end up with little to nothing after their college career ends. Edit: I didnt realize the NFL min is now $500k. You could get a kid out of hs for half that in most cases.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 15, 2019 8:40:21 GMT -5
I doubt NBC will air the XFL again so they don't have to worry about that. Wasn't CBS airing the AAF prior its folding? The XFL can't be any more of a risk than that and if a deal can be struck where the price is right, then yes they would. Networks are always looking for reasonably priced shows, and if the XFL targets the right pool of players then they could offer a viable alternative. Right now a player has to burn all their college eligibility along with being 3 years removed from graduating high school before they are NFL eligible. If the XFL was to allow drafting of any player as soon as their hs class graduates they could offer a viable alternative to playing college ball. There is a lot of talent out their who really have no interest in a college education and who would jump at the opportunity to play for what might be little more than the NFL minimum (but doesn't have to be) for several years before making the jump to the NFL. If top recruits could be lured away from major college programs the XFL could work. It would also bust the balls of college sports, where coaches and AD's make millions off the labors of poor kids who in most cases end up with little to nothing after their college career ends. Edit: I didnt realize the NFL min is now $500k. You could get a kid out of hs for half that in most cases. It is REALLY hard to overthrow the establishment. If you're a 4 or 5 star recruit, why would you risk your future on a league that A) could fold at almost any moment and B) could hurt your long-term NFL outlook. The NFL is still gonna have you wait for 3 years before you declare. So instead of you going the normal route of LSU/Bama/Clemson/OSU/etc. Instead of you getting the benefit of top proven coaches, top trainers, state of the art facilities, packed 60-100,000 seat stadiums, raucous crowds, a chance to become marketable stars pre-NFL, serious pro pipelines. Instead of all that, you get like $75,000 a year with who knows what coach, who knows what facilities, lukewarm crowds if AAF is to be believed (and it pretty much is), and it could all be boarded up by your 3rd year. In which case, good luck getting drafted, oh yeah you're also not even eligible to be drafted yet, and also you're not eligible to play college ball anymore. The XFL offers a decent amount of money, but if your goal is a 10, 20, 50 million dollar NFL deal, the XFL is simply not a viable option. You aren't getting the coaches, you aren't getting the quality of competition, your numbers will be scrutinized to death because you're playing in a 3rd rate league. The guys you're gonna get are the ones who have trouble with eligibility academically and middling guys who need money, 5th round to UDFA types. Brandon Jennings went overseas to get paid as a HS basketball recruit. Instead of going to college, he played as a pro, got a decent payday before going to the league, didn't hurt his draft stock. And nobody followed suit. And these are overseas leagues where people have come to the NBA through. By the time the XFL could establish itself as a viable option, which would be about 6-8 years, they'll very likely be out of business. Let's guess how many 3, 4, 5 star recruit caliber players go to the XFL that 1st or 2nd year in operation. I'll set the over/under at 1 combined.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 15, 2019 9:16:16 GMT -5
I doubt NBC will air the XFL again so they don't have to worry about that. Wasn't CBS airing the AAF prior its folding? The XFL can't be any more of a risk than that and if a deal can be struck where the price is right, then yes they would. Networks are always looking for reasonably priced shows, and if the XFL targets the right pool of players then they could offer a viable alternative. Right now a player has to burn all their college eligibility along with being 3 years removed from graduating high school before they are NFL eligible. If the XFL was to allow drafting of any player as soon as their hs class graduates they could offer a viable alternative to playing college ball. There is a lot of talent out their who really have no interest in a college education and who would jump at the opportunity to play for what might be little more than the NFL minimum (but doesn't have to be) for several years before making the jump to the NFL. If top recruits could be lured away from major college programs the XFL could work. It would also bust the balls of college sports, where coaches and AD's make millions off the labors of poor kids who in most cases end up with little to nothing after their college career ends. Edit: I didnt realize the NFL min is now $500k. You could get a kid out of hs for half that in most cases. In regards of TV rights. CBS Sports showed a game a week. The main channel only showed the first game and was supposed to show I believe the playoff games and for sure title game. The other games where shown on TNT, NFL Network, and some app site I think. The issue is nobody knew what game came on when. The XFL rumors are next month we may have TV news. Now if I was to guess it's Fox sports channels since WWE side of things have a deal with Fox as it is. The other is USA and I can see why some would guess NBC, I don't think NBC main will have it but NBC Sports could. Depending on the time. Example Sunday's NBC Sports is all about NHL. If they went local fox sports, still will have some problems. Example Fox Sport Midwest. Any non NBC Sports Blues Game gets shown and so does Cardinals spring training games and regular season starts at the end of the XFL season. We just had a situation where The Cardinals and Blues played at the same time so of course one moved to the FSNWPlus channel. Only once but still.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 15, 2019 9:27:26 GMT -5
Wasn't CBS airing the AAF prior its folding? The XFL can't be any more of a risk than that and if a deal can be struck where the price is right, then yes they would. Networks are always looking for reasonably priced shows, and if the XFL targets the right pool of players then they could offer a viable alternative. Right now a player has to burn all their college eligibility along with being 3 years removed from graduating high school before they are NFL eligible. If the XFL was to allow drafting of any player as soon as their hs class graduates they could offer a viable alternative to playing college ball. There is a lot of talent out their who really have no interest in a college education and who would jump at the opportunity to play for what might be little more than the NFL minimum (but doesn't have to be) for several years before making the jump to the NFL. If top recruits could be lured away from major college programs the XFL could work. It would also bust the balls of college sports, where coaches and AD's make millions off the labors of poor kids who in most cases end up with little to nothing after their college career ends. Edit: I didnt realize the NFL min is now $500k. You could get a kid out of hs for half that in most cases. In regards of TV rights. CBS Sports showed a game a week. The main channel only showed the first game and was supposed to show I believe the playoff games and for sure title game. The other games where shown on TNT, NFL Network, and some app site I think. The issue is nobody knew what game came on when. The XFL rumors are next month we may have TV news. Now if I was to guess it's Fox sports channels since WWE side of things have a deal with Fox as it is. The other is USA and I can see why some would guess NBC, I don't think NBC main will have it but NBC Sports could. Depending on the time. Example Sunday's NBC Sports is all about NHL. If they went local fox sports, still will have some problems. Example Fox Sport Midwest. Any non NBC Sports Blues Game gets shown and so does Cardinals spring training games and regular season starts at the end of the XFL season. We just had a situation where The Cardinals and Blues played at the same time so of course one moved to the FSNWPlus channel. Only once but still. FS1 doesn't have a lot going on in the spring, outside of some college basketball. NBC Sports does seem to be content with hockey, unless you ran it in the afternoon. Sunday fternoons in spring post-bowl games/SB and pre-baseball are pretty open, but it's a short window. Two months.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 15, 2019 9:50:47 GMT -5
In regards of TV rights. CBS Sports showed a game a week. The main channel only showed the first game and was supposed to show I believe the playoff games and for sure title game. The other games where shown on TNT, NFL Network, and some app site I think. The issue is nobody knew what game came on when. The XFL rumors are next month we may have TV news. Now if I was to guess it's Fox sports channels since WWE side of things have a deal with Fox as it is. The other is USA and I can see why some would guess NBC, I don't think NBC main will have it but NBC Sports could. Depending on the time. Example Sunday's NBC Sports is all about NHL. If they went local fox sports, still will have some problems. Example Fox Sport Midwest. Any non NBC Sports Blues Game gets shown and so does Cardinals spring training games and regular season starts at the end of the XFL season. We just had a situation where The Cardinals and Blues played at the same time so of course one moved to the FSNWPlus channel. Only once but still. FS1 doesn't have a lot going on in the spring, outside of some college basketball. NBC Sports does seem to be content with hockey, unless you ran it in the afternoon. Sunday fternoons in spring post-bowl games/SB and pre-baseball are pretty open, but it's a short window. Two months. Thats what I was thinking. The later half of the season, March Madness is a factor and that goes right into April is a short period for being afternoon hockey. Playoff Hockey are night so they are ok there.It's the after noon games in the MLB that becomes the issue. You can get around it but it's trick between Sat and Sun.
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Post by bitteroldman on Apr 16, 2019 0:18:32 GMT -5
Wasn't CBS airing the AAF prior its folding? The XFL can't be any more of a risk than that and if a deal can be struck where the price is right, then yes they would. Networks are always looking for reasonably priced shows, and if the XFL targets the right pool of players then they could offer a viable alternative. Right now a player has to burn all their college eligibility along with being 3 years removed from graduating high school before they are NFL eligible. If the XFL was to allow drafting of any player as soon as their hs class graduates they could offer a viable alternative to playing college ball. There is a lot of talent out their who really have no interest in a college education and who would jump at the opportunity to play for what might be little more than the NFL minimum (but doesn't have to be) for several years before making the jump to the NFL. If top recruits could be lured away from major college programs the XFL could work. It would also bust the balls of college sports, where coaches and AD's make millions off the labors of poor kids who in most cases end up with little to nothing after their college career ends. Edit: I didnt realize the NFL min is now $500k. You could get a kid out of hs for half that in most cases. It is REALLY hard to overthrow the establishment. If you're a 4 or 5 star recruit, why would you risk your future on a league that A) could fold at almost any moment and B) could hurt your long-term NFL outlook. The NFL is still gonna have you wait for 3 years before you declare. So instead of you going the normal route of LSU/Bama/Clemson/OSU/etc. Instead of you getting the benefit of top proven coaches, top trainers, state of the art facilities, packed 60-100,000 seat stadiums, raucous crowds, a chance to become marketable stars pre-NFL, serious pro pipelines. Instead of all that, you get like $75,000 a year with who knows what coach, who knows what facilities, lukewarm crowds if AAF is to be believed (and it pretty much is), and it could all be boarded up by your 3rd year. In which case, good luck getting drafted, oh yeah you're also not even eligible to be drafted yet, and also you're not eligible to play college ball anymore. The XFL offers a decent amount of money, but if your goal is a 10, 20, 50 million dollar NFL deal, the XFL is simply not a viable option. You aren't getting the coaches, you aren't getting the quality of competition, your numbers will be scrutinized to death because you're playing in a 3rd rate league. The guys you're gonna get are the ones who have trouble with eligibility academically and middling guys who need money, 5th round to UDFA types. Brandon Jennings went overseas to get paid as a HS basketball recruit. Instead of going to college, he played as a pro, got a decent payday before going to the league, didn't hurt his draft stock. And nobody followed suit. And these are overseas leagues where people have come to the NBA through. By the time the XFL could establish itself as a viable option, which would be about 6-8 years, they'll very likely be out of business. Let's guess how many 3, 4, 5 star recruit caliber players go to the XFL that 1st or 2nd year in operation. I'll set the over/under at 1 combined. I totally agree with what you say in regards to coaches and facilities being a major factor in recruiting; I also think there would be young, up and coming coaches who would jump at the chance to be the hc or a top coordinator position.Sure, some would not work out but that's true of the coaching profession in general. As far as your over/under, I'd take that bet. There are far more 3 star or better recruits than spots on a college team roster. Just as there are far more draftable players than NFL roster spots. You're not guaranteed anything just because you're a damn fine HS player. And there have been more than a few top recruits who at some point during their college days suffered an injury and ended any chance of ever being a pro player. In most cases the recruits (and their families) would be better served by them taking the money and playing pro ball. Most of them will either never be drafted, or end up being cut during training camp. I'm not saying you wouldn't have rough spots, poor play and possibly dicey officiating (as in quality not anything else) but this is true of football up to the NFL level (just ask a Saints fan about officiating for example)
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Post by sfvega on Apr 16, 2019 4:57:20 GMT -5
It is REALLY hard to overthrow the establishment. If you're a 4 or 5 star recruit, why would you risk your future on a league that A) could fold at almost any moment and B) could hurt your long-term NFL outlook. The NFL is still gonna have you wait for 3 years before you declare. So instead of you going the normal route of LSU/Bama/Clemson/OSU/etc. Instead of you getting the benefit of top proven coaches, top trainers, state of the art facilities, packed 60-100,000 seat stadiums, raucous crowds, a chance to become marketable stars pre-NFL, serious pro pipelines. Instead of all that, you get like $75,000 a year with who knows what coach, who knows what facilities, lukewarm crowds if AAF is to be believed (and it pretty much is), and it could all be boarded up by your 3rd year. In which case, good luck getting drafted, oh yeah you're also not even eligible to be drafted yet, and also you're not eligible to play college ball anymore. The XFL offers a decent amount of money, but if your goal is a 10, 20, 50 million dollar NFL deal, the XFL is simply not a viable option. You aren't getting the coaches, you aren't getting the quality of competition, your numbers will be scrutinized to death because you're playing in a 3rd rate league. The guys you're gonna get are the ones who have trouble with eligibility academically and middling guys who need money, 5th round to UDFA types. Brandon Jennings went overseas to get paid as a HS basketball recruit. Instead of going to college, he played as a pro, got a decent payday before going to the league, didn't hurt his draft stock. And nobody followed suit. And these are overseas leagues where people have come to the NBA through. By the time the XFL could establish itself as a viable option, which would be about 6-8 years, they'll very likely be out of business. Let's guess how many 3, 4, 5 star recruit caliber players go to the XFL that 1st or 2nd year in operation. I'll set the over/under at 1 combined. I totally agree with what you say in regards to coaches and facilities being a major factor in recruiting; I also think there would be young, up and coming coaches who would jump at the chance to be the hc or a top coordinator position.Sure, some would not work out but that's true of the coaching profession in general. As far as your over/under, I'd take that bet. There are far more 3 star or better recruits than spots on a college team roster. Just as there are far more draftable players than NFL roster spots. You're not guaranteed anything just because you're a damn fine HS player. And there have been more than a few top recruits who at some point during their college days suffered an injury and ended any chance of ever being a pro player. In most cases the recruits (and their families) would be better served by them taking the money and playing pro ball. Most of them will either never be drafted, or end up being cut during training camp. I'm not saying you wouldn't have rough spots, poor play and possibly dicey officiating (as in quality not anything else) but this is true of football up to the NFL level (just ask a Saints fan about officiating for example) I see what you're saying, but I disagree. If you're a promising coach, you'd much rather be a positions coach at a D-1 program than a coordinator or HC in the XFL. Just the same as kids going to Bama, because they're proven viable routes. I would be interested to know how many young coaches were on the AAF's staffs. That's the only comparable league, I don't know who coached where. I knew there were a few ex-NFL coaches, but I don't know who was on their staff. There really aren't more 3 star players than roster spots. Lots of lower tier D-1 programs get like 5-10 3* recruits, and there's 85 roster spots. My team Miami had the 28th ranked class this year, and they've got 17 three star or more recruits. Kids not only want top coaches and facilities and stadiums and tons of fans and rivalries, they also want to be around people their age. And women. Lots of women. The atmosphere is most of the draw to kids going to college. If you step on campus at UCLA, you'd never want to come play in our Super Walmart-looking arena in overcast St. Louis. No question. To be in a rather controlled environment but with enough freedom to be out of control, with a bunch of other kids the same age and a bunch of them are hot girls. That's the biggest draw for college there ever will be. Hell, TONS of kids have failed out of college because of just that. If you get injured and can't play football again, that's very rare. But I do know my team has had two such incidents the past few years where good sophomore players had neck injuries and couldn't get cleared to play again. In which case, the money is not what I'd want. When you take into account those guys didn't even get through their 2nd season with the team. In that event, you're talking about after taxes and agent fees, less than 2 full seasons of paycheck, maybe if you saved you'd have like 40k? Because the expectation is you'd be making more money. Most would have less than half that. They'd also have likely put a lot of money in bad investments (upgrading house, new car) and even liquidating that would return not nearly as much as paid in, so it'a just sunk cost. Now in the instances of Ahmmon Richards and Malek Young, Miami has both times agreed to honor the full scholarship. So in the event of having to retire early, I would much rather have a degree than 40k or less and a work history in football. Something about give a man a fish vs. having a degree in fishing.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 16, 2019 16:41:24 GMT -5
Some news to follow Sources are from the New York's Press confernce, Luck's Morning interview on the DA show, and Martin Kilcoyne, Sports Director for local St. Louis Fox affiliate :
New York has a press conference today introducing Kevin Gilbride as the HC/GM for the team and Janet Duch as the team President. St. Louis will announce there HC/GM Thursday which some reports already said the likely candidates are not it. So Bruce, Martz, and Pinkel are out as HC. There TV Partners where on hand at the Spring League watching the possible new rules that where being tested. From Luck he did state that there are two partners one Cable and one non that are major to make it easy access to watch games. To me it sounds like Fox and USA Network current WWE partners.
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Post by bitteroldman on Apr 16, 2019 22:45:38 GMT -5
I totally agree with what you say in regards to coaches and facilities being a major factor in recruiting; I also think there would be young, up and coming coaches who would jump at the chance to be the hc or a top coordinator position.Sure, some would not work out but that's true of the coaching profession in general. As far as your over/under, I'd take that bet. There are far more 3 star or better recruits than spots on a college team roster. Just as there are far more draftable players than NFL roster spots. You're not guaranteed anything just because you're a damn fine HS player. And there have been more than a few top recruits who at some point during their college days suffered an injury and ended any chance of ever being a pro player. In most cases the recruits (and their families) would be better served by them taking the money and playing pro ball. Most of them will either never be drafted, or end up being cut during training camp. I'm not saying you wouldn't have rough spots, poor play and possibly dicey officiating (as in quality not anything else) but this is true of football up to the NFL level (just ask a Saints fan about officiating for example) I see what you're saying, but I disagree. If you're a promising coach, you'd much rather be a positions coach at a D-1 program than a coordinator or HC in the XFL. Just the same as kids going to Bama, because they're proven viable routes. I would be interested to know how many young coaches were on the AAF's staffs. That's the only comparable league, I don't know who coached where. I knew there were a few ex-NFL coaches, but I don't know who was on their staff. There really aren't more 3 star players than roster spots. Lots of lower tier D-1 programs get like 5-10 3* recruits, and there's 85 roster spots. My team Miami had the 28th ranked class this year, and they've got 17 three star or more recruits. Kids not only want top coaches and facilities and stadiums and tons of fans and rivalries, they also want to be around people their age. And women. Lots of women. The atmosphere is most of the draw to kids going to college. If you step on campus at UCLA, you'd never want to come play in our Super Walmart-looking arena in overcast St. Louis. No question. To be in a rather controlled environment but with enough freedom to be out of control, with a bunch of other kids the same age and a bunch of them are hot girls. That's the biggest draw for college there ever will be. Hell, TONS of kids have failed out of college because of just that. If you get injured and can't play football again, that's very rare. But I do know my team has had two such incidents the past few years where good sophomore players had neck injuries and couldn't get cleared to play again. In which case, the money is not what I'd want. When you take into account those guys didn't even get through their 2nd season with the team. In that event, you're talking about after taxes and agent fees, less than 2 full seasons of paycheck, maybe if you saved you'd have like 40k? Because the expectation is you'd be making more money. Most would have less than half that. They'd also have likely put a lot of money in bad investments (upgrading house, new car) and even liquidating that would return not nearly as much as paid in, so it'a just sunk cost. Now in the instances of Ahmmon Richards and Malek Young, Miami has both times agreed to honor the full scholarship. So in the event of having to retire early, I would much rather have a degree than 40k or less and a work history in football. Something about give a man a fish vs. having a degree in fishing. Ohio State has 85 commits, 83 are 3 star or better. Bama has 84 commits, 81 are 3 star or better. USC has 79 commits 71 are 3 star or better. 234 of the best HS players in the nation, how many will even sniff money from the NFL? I also thing you're low balling the money a bit, and when a kid signs you give him a 2 or 3 year guarantee on the money. If the kid makes $150K a year (a more reasonable sum, imho) and signs for 2 years guaranteed then even if he blows out a knee he still walks away with a couple hundred K. Also haven mentioned money from marketing and other ancillary revenue that the prospect could receive.
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I see what you're saying, but I disagree. If you're a promising coach, you'd much rather be a positions coach at a D-1 program than a coordinator or HC in the XFL. Just the same as kids going to Bama, because they're proven viable routes. I would be interested to know how many young coaches were on the AAF's staffs. That's the only comparable league, I don't know who coached where. I knew there were a few ex-NFL coaches, but I don't know who was on their staff. There really aren't more 3 star players than roster spots. Lots of lower tier D-1 programs get like 5-10 3* recruits, and there's 85 roster spots. My team Miami had the 28th ranked class this year, and they've got 17 three star or more recruits. Kids not only want top coaches and facilities and stadiums and tons of fans and rivalries, they also want to be around people their age. And women. Lots of women. The atmosphere is most of the draw to kids going to college. If you step on campus at UCLA, you'd never want to come play in our Super Walmart-looking arena in overcast St. Louis. No question. To be in a rather controlled environment but with enough freedom to be out of control, with a bunch of other kids the same age and a bunch of them are hot girls. That's the biggest draw for college there ever will be. Hell, TONS of kids have failed out of college because of just that. If you get injured and can't play football again, that's very rare. But I do know my team has had two such incidents the past few years where good sophomore players had neck injuries and couldn't get cleared to play again. In which case, the money is not what I'd want. When you take into account those guys didn't even get through their 2nd season with the team. In that event, you're talking about after taxes and agent fees, less than 2 full seasons of paycheck, maybe if you saved you'd have like 40k? Because the expectation is you'd be making more money. Most would have less than half that. They'd also have likely put a lot of money in bad investments (upgrading house, new car) and even liquidating that would return not nearly as much as paid in, so it'a just sunk cost. Now in the instances of Ahmmon Richards and Malek Young, Miami has both times agreed to honor the full scholarship. So in the event of having to retire early, I would much rather have a degree than 40k or less and a work history in football. Something about give a man a fish vs. having a degree in fishing. Ohio State has 85 commits, 83 are 3 star or better. Bama has 84 commits, 81 are 3 star or better. USC has 79 commits 71 are 3 star or better. 234 of the best HS players in the nation, how many will even sniff money from the NFL? I also thing you're low balling the money a bit, and when a kid signs you give him a 2 or 3 year guarantee on the money. If the kid makes $150K a year (a more reasonable sum, imho) and signs for 2 years guaranteed then even if he blows out a knee he still walks away with a couple hundred K. Also haven mentioned money from marketing and other ancillary revenue that the prospect could receive. Yes, top programs are full of high recruits. I don't know that is a surprise. What I'm saying is if you're a top recruit, you go to a D-1 school. If you're an elite recruit, you go to a pro factory. There are spots for 3 star recruits. Not all of them on Bama. I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is. I think you're way off base on the money. First of all, they've given the numbers of $250,000, higher if they are in demand, for top tier QBs and an average of $75,000. So an 18-year old who would be playing against adults, especially a lesser recruit, which should be the guys they target, won't be making $150,000. Also, you're lucky in that tax bracket (assuming they even make that, which I doubt) to take home a couple hundred thousand before any bills and cost of living. What is the kid gonna do, be homeless and not eat for two years? Bike to practice? Not to mention, an 18 year old doesn't know how to manage money. There's a 0 percent chance you get injured year 2 and have $200,000 on a $150,000 salary. Someone like Ammon Richards would be making like 60-70k, and saving 15-25k if he's brilliant and lucky. Your numbers are not realistic at all. I just checked and for most states, you're getting taxed 37-48k on that salary. So your take-home is barely 200k, much less after you give a kid that money and have expenses for 2 years.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 17, 2019 13:04:28 GMT -5
What's the over/under on if the XFL has a complete first and only season?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 13:08:41 GMT -5
Wasn't CBS airing the AAF prior its folding? The XFL can't be any more of a risk than that and if a deal can be struck where the price is right, then yes they would. Networks are always looking for reasonably priced shows, and if the XFL targets the right pool of players then they could offer a viable alternative. Right now a player has to burn all their college eligibility along with being 3 years removed from graduating high school before they are NFL eligible. If the XFL was to allow drafting of any player as soon as their hs class graduates they could offer a viable alternative to playing college ball. There is a lot of talent out their who really have no interest in a college education and who would jump at the opportunity to play for what might be little more than the NFL minimum (but doesn't have to be) for several years before making the jump to the NFL. If top recruits could be lured away from major college programs the XFL could work. It would also bust the balls of college sports, where coaches and AD's make millions off the labors of poor kids who in most cases end up with little to nothing after their college career ends. Edit: I didnt realize the NFL min is now $500k. You could get a kid out of hs for half that in most cases. In regards of TV rights. CBS Sports showed a game a week. The main channel only showed the first game and was supposed to show I believe the playoff games and for sure title game. The other games where shown on TNT, NFL Network, and some app site I think. The issue is nobody knew what game came on when. The XFL rumors are next month we may have TV news. Now if I was to guess it's Fox sports channels since WWE side of things have a deal with Fox as it is. The other is USA and I can see why some would guess NBC, I don't think NBC main will have it but NBC Sports could. Depending on the time. Example Sunday's NBC Sports is all about NHL. If they went local fox sports, still will have some problems. Example Fox Sport Midwest. Any non NBC Sports Blues Game gets shown and so does Cardinals spring training games and regular season starts at the end of the XFL season. We just had a situation where The Cardinals and Blues played at the same time so of course one moved to the FSNWPlus channel. Only once but still. B/R Live was the app site, aka "Your Former Home of the Salt Lake Stallions". CBS Sports Network is laughable. Arena Football League, outdoor lacrosse (aka the lacrosse nobody pays to see), and bull riding are its top assets outside of college sports.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 17, 2019 13:35:30 GMT -5
What's the over/under on if the XFL has a complete first and only season? Over. Vince has 3 years worth of funding in place as it is. The reason why the AAF went under is because they acted like they had money when they didn't. They rushed it all because it was just a big old lets beat Vince without being ready. Hell they wanted to merge with the XFL before the season started because they knew they where screwed. All of this was admitted by Charlie and Even Oliver Luck stated it in an interview that in Dec the XFL wanted to merge.
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Post by bitteroldman on Apr 17, 2019 22:09:50 GMT -5
Ohio State has 85 commits, 83 are 3 star or better. Bama has 84 commits, 81 are 3 star or better. USC has 79 commits 71 are 3 star or better. 234 of the best HS players in the nation, how many will even sniff money from the NFL? I also thing you're low balling the money a bit, and when a kid signs you give him a 2 or 3 year guarantee on the money. If the kid makes $150K a year (a more reasonable sum, imho) and signs for 2 years guaranteed then even if he blows out a knee he still walks away with a couple hundred K. Also haven mentioned money from marketing and other ancillary revenue that the prospect could receive. Yes, top programs are full of high recruits. I don't know that is a surprise. What I'm saying is if you're a top recruit, you go to a D-1 school. If you're an elite recruit, you go to a pro factory. There are spots for 3 star recruits. Not all of them on Bama. I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is. I think you're way off base on the money. First of all, they've given the numbers of $250,000, higher if they are in demand, for top tier QBs and an average of $75,000. So an 18-year old who would be playing against adults, especially a lesser recruit, which should be the guys they target, won't be making $150,000. Also, you're lucky in that tax bracket (assuming they even make that, which I doubt) to take home a couple hundred thousand before any bills and cost of living. What is the kid gonna do, be homeless and not eat for two years? Bike to practice? Not to mention, an 18 year old doesn't know how to manage money. There's a 0 percent chance you get injured year 2 and have $200,000 on a $150,000 salary. Someone like Ammon Richards would be making like 60-70k, and saving 15-25k if he's brilliant and lucky. Your numbers are not realistic at all. I just checked and for most states, you're getting taxed 37-48k on that salary. So your take-home is barely 200k, much less after you give a kid that money and have expenses for 2 years. The point I was trying to make is that the chance of a top HS player making it to even a NFL practice squad are extremely bad, almost non existent. The kids would be better served in most cases (if the opportunity arose) to take the money and turn pro. There is a sufficient talent pool of above average to near elite players coming out of hs to stock the league. You wouldn't need NFL castoffs. 224 players will be drafted each year. The programs I mentioned have 234 3 star or better recruits. How many of those players will be drafted or get a training camp invite?
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Post by sfvega on Apr 18, 2019 0:48:34 GMT -5
Yes, top programs are full of high recruits. I don't know that is a surprise. What I'm saying is if you're a top recruit, you go to a D-1 school. If you're an elite recruit, you go to a pro factory. There are spots for 3 star recruits. Not all of them on Bama. I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is. I think you're way off base on the money. First of all, they've given the numbers of $250,000, higher if they are in demand, for top tier QBs and an average of $75,000. So an 18-year old who would be playing against adults, especially a lesser recruit, which should be the guys they target, won't be making $150,000. Also, you're lucky in that tax bracket (assuming they even make that, which I doubt) to take home a couple hundred thousand before any bills and cost of living. What is the kid gonna do, be homeless and not eat for two years? Bike to practice? Not to mention, an 18 year old doesn't know how to manage money. There's a 0 percent chance you get injured year 2 and have $200,000 on a $150,000 salary. Someone like Ammon Richards would be making like 60-70k, and saving 15-25k if he's brilliant and lucky. Your numbers are not realistic at all. I just checked and for most states, you're getting taxed 37-48k on that salary. So your take-home is barely 200k, much less after you give a kid that money and have expenses for 2 years. The point I was trying to make is that the chance of a top HS player making it to even a NFL practice squad are extremely bad, almost non existent. The kids would be better served in most cases (if the opportunity arose) to take the money and turn pro. There is a sufficient talent pool of above average to near elite players coming out of hs to stock the league. You wouldn't need NFL castoffs. 224 players will be drafted each year. The programs I mentioned have 234 3 star or better recruits. How many of those players will be drafted or get a training camp invite? Ok, I see what you're saying. I wouldn't say they are horrible odds, but definitely dependent on talent, opportunity, program, etc. A great deal of 4-5 star recruits will make it to the NFL. I'm not sure the numbers, but it wouldn't surprise me if 50-75% of the 4 and 5s made it to the league the last 5 years. The 3s are where it gets dicey. I'm agreeing with you that the players who will go (and should go) are the juniors and seniors who are lower graded for the draft. If you're looking to play pro after your junior year and you get a UDFA grade, why not go XFL? I said earlier But I do think the vast, vast majority will (and should) go the college route. It's more fun, it's a great fallback if football doesn't work out, and if you're really serious about football, that's where you need to be anyway. The XFL needs to establish itself as a league that A) Will exist in 5 years and B) Is a viable route for professional players. Both the previous incarnation of the XFL and the AAF have failed miserably at the quality of football. The XFL can succeed, but it's going to take a ridiculous amount of money and a lot of people making the right decisions for it to be alive, much less successful down the line. I don't trust Vince's judgment outside of wrestling, so I'm betting it doesn't make it to season 3.
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Post by bitteroldman on Apr 18, 2019 9:06:36 GMT -5
Took a look at the numbers for just 1 conference, a traditional college powerhouse the SEC. 125 players with a 4 star or better rating. 2018 class 247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/ if you'd like to see more numbers. Some may be drafted, a few others will come in as UFDA. The vast majority of that 125 will not play professional football. This is a huge untapped pool of players who 1. have talent else they wouldn't be 4 or 5 star recruits coming out of high school 2. will not make 1 dime from their talent. The sheer numbers work against you
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