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Post by sfvega on Apr 18, 2019 15:40:12 GMT -5
Took a look at the numbers for just 1 conference, a traditional college powerhouse the SEC. 125 players with a 4 star or better rating. 2018 class 247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/ if you'd like to see more numbers. Some may be drafted, a few others will come in as UFDA. The vast majority of that 125 will not play professional football. This is a huge untapped pool of players who 1. have talent else they wouldn't be 4 or 5 star recruits coming out of high school 2. will not make 1 dime from their talent. The sheer numbers work against you You realize that the SEC had 50+ players drafted last year, not including the UDFA who are mostly guys who make up practice squads. I'm not saying everyone makes it to the league. That's a given. What I'm saying is that if you WANT to make it to the league, you go through the most proven route. As much as I keep talking about having a back-up plan, these kids who are highly touted recruits going to SEC schools have their eyes locked on playing pro football and playing it in the NFL. The majority of any sport isn't going to go pro, outside of those pro factories. A kid that goes to Miami Ohio or Colorado St isn't likely to make the league or the XFL. But for those good enough to have the choice, it's likely they see what the NFL dream will get them before considering the XFL a viable option. I don't see top HS kids going to the XFL which lasted 10 weeks last go around. I don't see almost any that would be considered as good enough underclassmen going, because they are still going to be focus on making it in the actual football league. Once again, I think the kids who go to the XFL will be underclassmen who have eligibility issues or upperclassmen whose NFL grade is very low.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 18, 2019 16:40:48 GMT -5
St. Louis Head Coach/GM was named today is former NFL player and Bengals TE Coach Johnathon Hayes which lets just say isn't getting much of a positive reaction. Which I can see why being with no local connection and not very much coaching experience compared to others named. Everyone was hoping someone with a local connection from the former ST. Rams player or Mizzou but neither was the case here. Hayes said all the right things in the news conference but most said this choice feel very flat for the only none NFL city in the league.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 18, 2019 17:59:07 GMT -5
St. Louis Head Coach/GM was named today is former NFL player and Bengals TE Coach Johnathon Hayes which lets just say isn't getting much of a positive reaction. Which I can see why being with no local connection and not very much coaching experience compared to others named. Everyone was hoping someone with a local connection from the former ST. Rams player or Mizzou but neither was the case here. Hayes said all the right things in the news conference but most said this choice feel very flat for the only none NFL city in the league. I mean, at least he is a legit coach (though 15 years as a positions coach without moving up is kinda concerning). I haven't kept up with it at all, who did the locals want? Gary Pinkel? Martz?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 18, 2019 18:50:53 GMT -5
St. Louis Head Coach/GM was named today is former NFL player and Bengals TE Coach Johnathon Hayes which lets just say isn't getting much of a positive reaction. Which I can see why being with no local connection and not very much coaching experience compared to others named. Everyone was hoping someone with a local connection from the former ST. Rams player or Mizzou but neither was the case here. Hayes said all the right things in the news conference but most said this choice feel very flat for the only none NFL city in the league. I mean, at least he is a legit coach (though 15 years as a positions coach without moving up is kinda concerning). I haven't kept up with it at all, who did the locals want? Gary Pinkel? Martz? When the league first announced St. Louis Bruce who while had no coaching experience almost became the AAF coach that almost was the 8th team. Based off of that most wanted him until the AAF went under than everyone want expecting Martz because how there was a delay between the first four coaches, Than the AAF went under in that delay. News broke about Dec with the AAF wanting to merge with the XFL. So everyone was thinking the delay was for him. Than there was talks about Jim Haslett. I think because there no St. Louis ties and news now breaking the XFL side of things did not even contract the wants in Bruce, Martz or any other ex Rams or Mizzou coach. Pinkel was brought up as a possible fan want but everyone talked about his health which true. A shorter schedule and it's been years since we last heard about him.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Apr 18, 2019 21:00:05 GMT -5
So once Houston and LA get their coach, will we finally get the team names, logos, and colors?
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Apr 24, 2019 18:08:01 GMT -5
So once Houston and LA get their coach, will we finally get the team names, logos, and colors? LA Xtreme returns or GTFO
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 6, 2019 8:06:46 GMT -5
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Post by bob on May 6, 2019 9:25:09 GMT -5
that is a huge deal - without any sort of a tv coverage they were likely gonna have to put the XFL on the Network because ESPN is involved they probably won't shit all over like they did before
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Post by eJm on May 6, 2019 10:38:43 GMT -5
Bumping this thread because it seems like Vince found some suckers for TV deals.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on May 6, 2019 12:25:01 GMT -5
Impressed they got the big 2. Let's be real, right now its #1 ESPN/ABC, #2 FOX/FS1. NBC and CBS are Big Four, but they aren't close to what the other two offer. Gonna be interesting.
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Post by Cyno on May 6, 2019 12:39:01 GMT -5
Impressed they got the big 2. Let's be real, right now its #1 ESPN/ABC, #2 FOX/FS1. NBC and CBS are Big Four, but they aren't close to what the other two offer. Gonna be interesting. In terms of cable networks, nothing comes close to ESPN for sports. But NBC's Sunday Night Football is also far and away the ratings juggernaut for NFL for weekly games and CBS usually tends to have the best ratings of any of the networks on a regular basis, so don't be so quick to dismiss them.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on May 6, 2019 12:45:00 GMT -5
Impressed they got the big 2. Let's be real, right now its #1 ESPN/ABC, #2 FOX/FS1. NBC and CBS are Big Four, but they aren't close to what the other two offer. Gonna be interesting. In terms of cable networks, nothing comes close to ESPN for sports. But NBC's Sunday Night Football is also far and away the ratings juggernaut for NFL for weekly games and CBS usually tends to have the best ratings of any of the networks on a regular basis, so don't be so quick to dismiss them.
What else they got though? NBC Sports and CBS Sports Net don't compare. ESPN and Fox are getting more well-rounded in those regards. MLB - Fox and ESPN and local affiliates NHL - NBC and NBC Sports NBA - ESPN NFL - All Four Yeah, CBS has March Madness but it shares it with Turner Sports and ESPN and Fox both do CBB anyways.
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Post by Cyno on May 6, 2019 12:54:53 GMT -5
I'm judging based solely on how each broadcast network performs on its own. ESPN and ABC are under the same corporate umbrella but are separate entities. Same with Fox and FS1, though Fox's own sports programming is also a lot stronger than ABC's which is really just like one college football game a week and some NBA games.
So calling ABC and Fox the Big Two like NBC and CBS can't compare is a ludicrous hot take because it ignores that CBS is generally the most successful network of the Big Four and NBC also has its own big shows that compare to ABC, CBS and Fox. Hell, it took Fox decades to even be considered part of the Big Four as opposed to the "Big Three and also Fox is there."
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Post by BRV on May 6, 2019 13:10:07 GMT -5
Credit where credit's due, the XFL went out and got major networks to broadcast their games. ABC and FOX are two of the "big four" networks (CBS and NBC make up the rest of the "big four) and ESPN is the biggest sports network period. Even FS1 is nothing to scoff at, as they've grown significantly as a fledgling cable network, airing MLB playoff games, Big Ten and Big XII college football, UFC, NASCAR, and the Women's World Cup.
Given the networks at hand and having learned lessons from the failure of the 2001 launch of the XFL, this league might have a chance to last a few seasons. Which sounds like an insult, but when you look back at the history of upstart football leagues, really anything beyond three seasons has to be considered a major success.
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Post by sfvega on May 6, 2019 13:12:52 GMT -5
I'm judging based solely on how each broadcast network performs on its own. ESPN and ABC are under the same corporate umbrella but are separate entities. Same with Fox and FS1, though Fox's own sports programming is also a lot stronger than ABC's which is really just like one college football game a week and some NBA games. So calling ABC and Fox the Big Two like NBC and CBS can't compare is a ludicrous hot take because it ignores that CBS is generally the most successful network of the Big Four and NBC also has its own big shows that compare to ABC, CBS and Fox. Hell, it took Fox decades to even be considered part of the Big Four as opposed to the "Big Three and also Fox is there." ABC is definitely a sports platform that just runs when ESPN wants to reach more people. CBS runs college basketball, serious SEC CFB games, Golf, NFL, etc. ABC runs some big CFB games and NBA, and of course the little league world series. Lol.
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Post by greyfmdan on May 6, 2019 13:55:43 GMT -5
Credit where credit's due, the XFL went out and got major networks to broadcast their games. ABC and FOX are two of the "big four" networks (CBS and NBC make up the rest of the "big four) and ESPN is the biggest sports network period. Even FS1 is nothing to scoff at, as they've grown significantly as a fledgling cable network, airing MLB playoff games, Big Ten and Big XII college football, UFC, NASCAR, and the Women's World Cup. Total agreement. ESPN/ABC and Fox Sports are huge deals, especially for a minor league sport. If we want to compare apples to apples, AAF had CBS and Turner Sports, certainly no slouches. The XFL deal makes the AAF deal look like small potatoes. That said, you got a good TV deal, Vince. Now let’s see if you can put on a product that makes it worth their while.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 6, 2019 15:01:19 GMT -5
Credit where credit's due, the XFL went out and got major networks to broadcast their games. ABC and FOX are two of the "big four" networks (CBS and NBC make up the rest of the "big four) and ESPN is the biggest sports network period. Even FS1 is nothing to scoff at, as they've grown significantly as a fledgling cable network, airing MLB playoff games, Big Ten and Big XII college football, UFC, NASCAR, and the Women's World Cup. Total agreement. ESPN/ABC and Fox Sports are huge deals, especially for a minor league sport. If we want to compare apples to apples, AAF had CBS and Turner Sports, certainly no slouches. The XFL deal makes the AAF deal look like small potatoes. That said, you got a good TV deal, Vince. Now let’s see if you can put on a product that makes it worth their while. AAF only had one Game on CBS main network. The rest was one game on CBS sports. Like 2 on NFL Network. An App, and TNT had a game a week. This for sure makes there deal small potatos because major non cable network every Saturday alone is huge. The other partners like ESPN, it's a hell of a deal. I didn't expect them to get money from the network, in year one. Networks only want to invest once it becomes proven.
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Post by Cyno on May 6, 2019 15:26:36 GMT -5
It's definitely good for exposure if they get an audience, but as has been mentioned here and in the other XFL thread, Disney and Fox are only covering production costs and aren't paying Vince any broadcast rights. Also, they're currently airing games directly against WWE pay-per-view broadcasts including Wrestlemania itself.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 6, 2019 15:31:31 GMT -5
It's definitely good for exposure if they get an audience, but as has been mentioned here and in the other XFL thread, Disney and Fox are only covering production costs and aren't paying Vince any broadcast rights. Also, they're currently airing games directly against WWE pay-per-view broadcasts including Wrestlemania itself. Well Vince did make it clear that he wants this to be a whole separate deal. He more worried about attracting Football fans but the WWE fans. Sure there is a large chunk that are both but he not wanting the WWE be a part of it. Outside of Vince investments.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on May 6, 2019 21:58:36 GMT -5
Ultimately he has to deliver football worth watching. Far as I know no players have been an announce or signed and the league is supposed to kick off next year. The players are not going to have near enough time to learn to play together and the football going to be shit just like last time. At this rate I don’t see it lasting three seasons. Vince is flushing his money down the shitter
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