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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 11, 2020 14:12:21 GMT -5
At his age I wonder if Vince would even have the energy to start from scratch again in a couple years. By most reports Vince hasn't slowed down since taking an enforced back seat during the steroid trials. That was 27 years ago. For all his faults - and they are legion - the man has seemingly limitless motivation and an insane work ethic, so I wouldn't bet against him.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Apr 11, 2020 14:37:56 GMT -5
If the standard bearer in the Arena Football League folded twice and the Indoor Football League can't get started during it's first attempt in years at a national presence, what does the future hold? I feel the IFL will be back next year. There's a number of teams that I feel are in good standing, and even if a couple teams fold, I feel a number of them will return next year.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 11, 2020 15:34:35 GMT -5
At his age I wonder if Vince would even have the energy to start from scratch again in a couple years. By most reports Vince hasn't slowed down since taking an enforced back seat during the steroid trials. That was 27 years ago. For all his faults - and they are legion - the man has seemingly limitless motivation and an insane work ethic, so I wouldn't bet against him. I mean yeah but he's not getting any younger. All the sand in the world doesn't beat father time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 15:41:05 GMT -5
I doubt Vince is going to try it again. It took several years of work just to get this attempt off the ground and his mountains of stock were worth three times as much then as they are now.
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Post by ssdrivin on Apr 11, 2020 15:48:00 GMT -5
I doubt Vince is going to try it again. It took several years of work just to get this attempt off the ground and his mountains of stock were worth three times as much then as they are now.
If they take a year out though that gives plenty of time for the stock to possibly rebound. Optimistically, some level of normality will eventually have to resume, and businesses (well, the ones that didn't go bust in the meantime) will start rolling again.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 11, 2020 15:49:32 GMT -5
By most reports Vince hasn't slowed down since taking an enforced back seat during the steroid trials. That was 27 years ago. For all his faults - and they are legion - the man has seemingly limitless motivation and an insane work ethic, so I wouldn't bet against him. I mean yeah but he's not getting any younger. All the sand in the world doesn't beat father time. True, but the way I see it Vince will still be working his ridiculous schedule right up until the day he dies. Hell, if he dies in the morning bis body will probably finish up the workday before it shuts down too.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 11, 2020 21:19:24 GMT -5
If the standard bearer in the Arena Football League folded twice and the Indoor Football League can't get started during it's first attempt in years at a national presence, what does the future hold? I feel the IFL will be back next year. There's a number of teams that I feel are in good standing, and even if a couple teams fold, I feel a number of them will return next year. I hope so. I was looking forward to the Oakland Panthers and it would suck if they had to fold before they ever play a single down.
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Post by toodarkmark on Apr 12, 2020 0:18:09 GMT -5
And the NFL didn't even put it's developmental league up against XFL games during the same time, and it still failed. Guess in the end it didn't have enough pizzaz to come back next year.
Maybe now he can spend more time with NXT.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 12, 2020 1:24:32 GMT -5
And the NFL didn't even put it's developmental league up against XFL games during the same time, and it still failed. Guess in the end it didn't have enough pizzaz to come back next year. Maybe now he can spend more time with NXT. I mean the issue wasn't attendance or ratings. The issue was they had to shutdown mid season due to a pandemic, the NFL started hiring their players, and the investors lost a shitload of money because of the Pandemic before the league could really get any solid capital.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 12, 2020 2:03:45 GMT -5
And the NFL didn't even put it's developmental league up against XFL games during the same time, and it still failed. Guess in the end it didn't have enough pizzaz to come back next year. Maybe now he can spend more time with NXT. I mean the issue wasn't attendance or ratings. The issue was they had to shutdown mid season due to a pandemic, the NFL started hiring their players, and the investors lost a shitload of money because of the Pandemic before the league could really get any solid capital. It was reported that with falling rating and with Vince losing money on it, the company was already on the way out.The Corona virus was a big final nail.
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Post by ssdrivin on Apr 12, 2020 2:47:13 GMT -5
I mean the issue wasn't attendance or ratings. The issue was they had to shutdown mid season due to a pandemic, the NFL started hiring their players, and the investors lost a shitload of money because of the Pandemic before the league could really get any solid capital. It was reported that with falling rating and with Vince losing money on it, the company was already on the way out.The Corona virus was a big final nail.
Wasn't the whole idea that he was prepared up-front with enough cash to run the thing for a couple of years to make sure it had time to get off the ground before deciding whether to keep investing?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 12, 2020 5:07:19 GMT -5
Damn, considering this one was OK I was hoping it would at least have stayed around long enough to erase the memory of the previous botch.
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Post by toodarkmark on Apr 12, 2020 8:37:00 GMT -5
And the NFL didn't even put it's developmental league up against XFL games during the same time, and it still failed. Guess in the end it didn't have enough pizzaz to come back next year. Maybe now he can spend more time with NXT. I mean the issue wasn't attendance or ratings. The issue was they had to shutdown mid season due to a pandemic, the NFL started hiring their players, and the investors lost a shitload of money because of the Pandemic before the league could really get any solid capital. If it was profitable, it would have come back next year. The pandemic just stopped it, but if the books were right, everyone would happily bring it back in Spring of 2021. And as far as this year, McMahon is connected enough that they could get a bailout easily. So the perception is that attendance and ratings weren't bad, but the reality is they didn't do well enough to warrant going again in a year. As if Disney and Fox don't have enough money to try again. Once again, the pizzaz had worn off.
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 12, 2020 9:18:36 GMT -5
It's almost like some outside force only wants the NFL to succeed...
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 12, 2020 12:25:50 GMT -5
At this point in his life Vince really needs to realize he is a wrestling promoter-nothing more and surely nothing less. He is, to use the Bret Hart quote, "The Best There Is, Best There Was and Best There Ever Will Be" and very few come close to even toughing the "Is" or "Will Be" part. He is not a movie producer and he is not a football promoter. The coronavirus is sad and it will, if not already, ruin a lot of businesses which is a tragedy but a business like XFL can only survive so many years under Vince's promoting as a football promotion owner. The fans of the NFL are just different and the die hard team followers may not even be wrestling fans. For an XFL to survive it really would need a lot of fans who are die hard not just about wrestling but also football and I don't see it. I can see football team owners or executives scoffing at Vince and the XFL IF they are even aware he tried a go at it the second time. They know it would not be competition nor even close. Vince the WWE owner is THE BEST. Vince the football promoter is a very rich independent promoter compared to the NFL. He has the money and can get the money to make an amazing show but really will not be able to sustain a long term fan base for football like the NFL can.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 13:41:24 GMT -5
I mean the issue wasn't attendance or ratings. The issue was they had to shutdown mid season due to a pandemic, the NFL started hiring their players, and the investors lost a shitload of money because of the Pandemic before the league could really get any solid capital. If it was profitable, it would have come back next year. The pandemic just stopped it, but if the books were right, everyone would happily bring it back in Spring of 2021. And as far as this year, McMahon is connected enough that they could get a bailout easily. So the perception is that attendance and ratings weren't bad, but the reality is they didn't do well enough to warrant going again in a year. As if Disney and Fox don't have enough money to try again. Once again, the pizzaz had worn off. Very rarely are businesses profitable from the day they open their doors. They had a serviceable business model - pay out of pocket for it for a couple of years in the hopes they could eventually build up enough of a market presence that they could get someone paying them rights fees and bring in huge money the way WWE and other sports do. The big problem is that networks are hurting right now as well so it's unlikely they're going to be as willing to throw out big money as they might've been a year ago, which makes it much more foolish to dump money into a presently losing venture in the hopes of that happening.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 12, 2020 16:25:19 GMT -5
If it was profitable, it would have come back next year. The pandemic just stopped it, but if the books were right, everyone would happily bring it back in Spring of 2021. And as far as this year, McMahon is connected enough that they could get a bailout easily. So the perception is that attendance and ratings weren't bad, but the reality is they didn't do well enough to warrant going again in a year. As if Disney and Fox don't have enough money to try again. Once again, the pizzaz had worn off. Very rarely are businesses profitable from the day they open their doors. They had a serviceable business model - pay out of pocket for it for a couple of years in the hopes they could eventually build up enough of a market presence that they could get someone paying them rights fees and bring in huge money the way WWE and other sports do. The big problem is that networks are hurting right now as well so it's unlikely they're going to be as willing to throw out big money as they might've been a year ago, which makes it much more foolish to dump money into a presently losing venture in the hopes of that happening. Yeah, trying to say "Well this wasn't profitable" well no shit... it's the first year of their existence as an actual entity ... almost no business makes money in the first year. Due to startup and general operating costs. Without a full season worth of revenue it pushes their break even point even FURTHER into the future with a combined potential loss of interest because the lack of a finality to the first season as well as the novelty wearing off or the NFL snatching up any talent that might be worth anything combined with all big businesses are hurting at the moment and it's not the time to be putting money into new ventures due to the current pandemic.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 12, 2020 17:16:56 GMT -5
Very rarely are businesses profitable from the day they open their doors. They had a serviceable business model - pay out of pocket for it for a couple of years in the hopes they could eventually build up enough of a market presence that they could get someone paying them rights fees and bring in huge money the way WWE and other sports do. The big problem is that networks are hurting right now as well so it's unlikely they're going to be as willing to throw out big money as they might've been a year ago, which makes it much more foolish to dump money into a presently losing venture in the hopes of that happening. Yeah, trying to say "Well this wasn't profitable" well no shit... it's the first year of their existence as an actual entity ... almost no business makes money in the first year. Due to startup and general operating costs. Without a full season worth of revenue it pushes their break even point even FURTHER into the future with a combined potential loss of interest because the lack of a finality to the first season as well as the novelty wearing off or the NFL snatching up any talent that might be worth anything combined with all big businesses are hurting at the moment and it's not the time to be putting money into new ventures due to the current pandemic. What did they expect being a developmental league? Again, there was always going to be a revolving door of talent, much like the CFL has dealt with since its inception. It's not like when ECW got raided by giant WCW and WWF rosters. If the XFL went on next year you'd have guys who went to the NFL and didn't make the roster or PS and would go back to the XFL, as well as guys whose spot got displaced by a draft pick, as well as rookies who failed to make the roster. The league's best player was a UDFA who was a practice squad player. Which is not to say that everyone coming from that situation will be as good, but you're getting players of similar talent level every year. There's always going to be fringe NFL players available. Each NFL team has to cut 35 guys off of rosters between May and Sept.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 12, 2020 17:18:21 GMT -5
Yeah, trying to say "Well this wasn't profitable" well no shit... it's the first year of their existence as an actual entity ... almost no business makes money in the first year. Due to startup and general operating costs. Without a full season worth of revenue it pushes their break even point even FURTHER into the future with a combined potential loss of interest because the lack of a finality to the first season as well as the novelty wearing off or the NFL snatching up any talent that might be worth anything combined with all big businesses are hurting at the moment and it's not the time to be putting money into new ventures due to the current pandemic. What did they expect being a developmental league? Again, there was always going to be a revolving door of talent, much like the CFL has dealt with since its inception. It's not like when ECW got raided by giant WCW and WWF rosters. If the XFL went on next year you'd have guys who went to the NFL and didn't make the roster or PS and would go back to the XFL, as well as guys whose spot got displaced by a draft pick, as well as rookies who failed to make the roster. The league's best player was a UDFA who was a practice squad player. Which is not to say that everyone coming from that situation will be as good, but you're getting players of similar talent level every year. There's always going to be fringe NFL players available. Each NFL team has to cut 35 guys off of rosters between May and Sept. they might have expected the NFL to sign their guys that was my talking abut it not an official stance. They also probably expected to get a full season out of their guys
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Post by thehottag on Apr 12, 2020 18:18:21 GMT -5
I don't think the XFL would've succeeded long-term, but I also think they wouldn't have shut up shop immediately without the current issues. Would we have seen a second season? I don't know, but even in the current climate I must say I was surprised how quickly they jacked it sll in. Feels like a knee-jerk reaction due to WWEs stock falling in half along with WWEs empty arena 'Mania.
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