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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2018 12:20:32 GMT -5
I don’t really feel like anything said here was worth having strong feelings about. He’s kind of right, and realistically, what do you expect him to say? Pop knows we’re leaving and are trying to mess with us, but we get the Internet traffic we are looking for? Pop never messed with them. They stuck with impact despite the Dixie embarrassments and her lawsuit with Corgan. They also stuck around with Drunk Tortillas. They’ve been the best possible partners for impact. Add on to that Josh only said it after Ethan Page said it
Josh cosigned on something a wrestler who just got there is opening his mouth he knows nothing about. Unless you are WWE where you got the money in the bank and the ratings dipping isn't the biggest worry in the world, you need ratings in wrestling to justify you being around on TV
Impact has for a long time been on the we need our DVR numbers to show you our full audience but I think that makes a big difference in numbers for them.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2018 12:23:23 GMT -5
I don’t really feel like anything said here was worth having strong feelings about. He’s kind of right, and realistically, what do you expect him to say? Pop knows we’re leaving and are trying to mess with us, but we get the Internet traffic we are looking for? I wouldn't even say Pop is messing with them
Sure they changed their timeslot late in the game but in reality Impact is there for free
Add on in wrestling you still need some type of ratings to show you are worth anything. I don't think their subscription app is getting that much play that they could just sustain themselves on that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 13:02:41 GMT -5
advertisers only care about live viewers
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Post by corndog on Dec 5, 2018 13:24:10 GMT -5
TV ratings matter when you're supposed to be a TV-based product you f***ing nitwit. That is the major problem for Impact, they still haven't built their touring and live events to anything that could sustain the company. I also wonder if MLW Fusion is doing better ratings at this point with a similar talent pool?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 5, 2018 13:35:33 GMT -5
Pop never messed with them. They stuck with impact despite the Dixie embarrassments and her lawsuit with Corgan. They also stuck around with Drunk Tortillas. They’ve been the best possible partners for impact. Add on to that Josh only said it after Ethan Page said it
Josh cosigned on something a wrestler who just got there is opening his mouth he knows nothing about. Unless you are WWE where you got the money in the bank and the ratings dipping isn't the biggest worry in the world, you need ratings in wrestling to justify you being around on TV
Impact has for a long time been on the we need our DVR numbers to show you our full audience but I think that makes a big difference in numbers for them.
They tried to use the dvr numbers excuse, DA told them to f*** off.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2018 14:06:50 GMT -5
Add on to that Josh only said it after Ethan Page said it
Josh cosigned on something a wrestler who just got there is opening his mouth he knows nothing about. Unless you are WWE where you got the money in the bank and the ratings dipping isn't the biggest worry in the world, you need ratings in wrestling to justify you being around on TV
Impact has for a long time been on the we need our DVR numbers to show you our full audience but I think that makes a big difference in numbers for them.
They tried to use the dvr numbers excuse, DA told them to f*** off. Yea, that's when Dixie was trying to sell them on she can bring in this amount of viewers trying to total live viewers and DVR and I don't think even then the numbers equaled up
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 5, 2018 15:01:41 GMT -5
They tried to use the dvr numbers excuse, DA told them to f*** off. Yea, that's when Dixie was trying to sell them on she can bring in this amount of viewers trying to total live viewers and DVR and I don't think even then the numbers equaled up Think about it. The Bigfoot and alien exorcism network told them to f*** off, the TV guide channel allegedly isn’t happy with them, who’s gonna take them now? They should make their peace and just become an internet streaming company.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2018 15:46:42 GMT -5
Yea, that's when Dixie was trying to sell them on she can bring in this amount of viewers trying to total live viewers and DVR and I don't think even then the numbers equaled up Think about it. The Bigfoot and alien exorcism network told them to f*** off, the TV guide channel allegedly isn’t happy with them, who’s gonna take them now? They should make their peace and just become an internet streaming company. That wouldn’t be bad tho. They have legs as a super indie but it’s a matter of if TV matters a ton in that discussion
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 5, 2018 15:47:45 GMT -5
Pop never messed with them. They stuck with impact despite the Dixie embarrassments and her lawsuit with Corgan. They also stuck around with Drunk Tortillas. They’ve been the best possible partners for impact. Add on to that Josh only said it after Ethan Page said it Josh cosigned on something a wrestler who just got there is opening his mouth he knows nothing about. Unless you are WWE where you got the money in the bank and the ratings dipping isn't the biggest worry in the world, you need ratings in wrestling to justify you being around on TV Impact has for a long time been on the we need our DVR numbers to show you our full audience but I think that makes a big difference in numbers for them.
Yeah, Page is totally off the mark in this as a guy who not only just arrived, but who isn't involved in the business end of anything and hasn't exactly been kicking around lots of TV products in big ways. Just an absolutely crap statement, and Josh should know better but he's either also an idiot or giving an empty avoidance remark pretending it doesn't matter to avoid the reality of how really not great their situation is, regardless of how many people DVR things. Except it's on a f***ing media call so everyone involved should really know better
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 5, 2018 15:55:40 GMT -5
Think about it. The Bigfoot and alien exorcism network told them to f*** off, the TV guide channel allegedly isn’t happy with them, who’s gonna take them now? They should make their peace and just become an internet streaming company. That wouldn’t be bad tho. They have legs as a super indie but it’s a matter of if TV matters a ton in that discussion They’re light years away from becoming a super indy, they may but for now they’re Lucha Budgetground. Unfortunately this is the most viewed thread in recent weeks and it’s because something bad happened to them.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2018 16:32:18 GMT -5
Add on to that Josh only said it after Ethan Page said it Josh cosigned on something a wrestler who just got there is opening his mouth he knows nothing about. Unless you are WWE where you got the money in the bank and the ratings dipping isn't the biggest worry in the world, you need ratings in wrestling to justify you being around on TV Impact has for a long time been on the we need our DVR numbers to show you our full audience but I think that makes a big difference in numbers for them.
Yeah, Page is totally off the mark in this as a guy who not only just arrived, but who isn't involved in the business end of anything and hasn't exactly been kicking around lots of TV products in big ways. Just an absolutely crap statement, and Josh should know better but he's either also an idiot or giving an empty avoidance remark pretending it doesn't matter to avoid the reality of how really not great their situation is, regardless of how many people DVR things. Except it's on a f***ing media call so everyone involved should really know better Yea that was pretty stupid. I didn’t get on Ethan Page as much because he’s a wrestler and Josh could have easily played that off instead of co-signing on what he said like an idiot. Josh has been in the business long enough, to know not to make a blanket statement that will f** shit up
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Post by Aya Reiko on Dec 5, 2018 16:57:15 GMT -5
That wouldn’t be bad tho. They have legs as a super indie but it’s a matter of if TV matters a ton in that discussion They’re light years away from becoming a super indy, they may but for now they’re Lucha Budgetground. Unfortunately this is the most viewed thread in recent weeks and it’s because something bad happened to them. No, it's not because something bad has happened to them, it's because something has happened to them. Impact is a buzz-less, lifeless product no one wants to talk about because there is usually nothing to talk about.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 5, 2018 16:57:38 GMT -5
Yeah, Page is totally off the mark in this as a guy who not only just arrived, but who isn't involved in the business end of anything and hasn't exactly been kicking around lots of TV products in big ways. Just an absolutely crap statement, and Josh should know better but he's either also an idiot or giving an empty avoidance remark pretending it doesn't matter to avoid the reality of how really not great their situation is, regardless of how many people DVR things. Except it's on a f***ing media call so everyone involved should really know better Yea that was pretty stupid. I didn’t get on Ethan Page as much because he’s a wrestler and Josh could have easily played that off instead of co-signing on what he said like an idiot. Josh has been in the business long enough, to know not to make a blanket statement that will f** shit up One of the best things this regime has done for the sake of mankind has been reigning Josh the f*** in and not letting him be full-blown douchebag all over the everywhere. They couldn't do much in this situation clearly, but yeah there's really nothing in what he said that's helping anyone's case or making the company look better. I'm not sure how broad this media call was as far as non-wrestling publications, but between wrestling sites reporting on ratings pretty steadily and anyone involved in actual television knowing that ratings are actually a thing, Josh isn't really doing the company much by perpetuating the "but look at our +3s and +5s!" nonsense of the Dixie regime
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 5, 2018 17:03:00 GMT -5
They’re light years away from becoming a super indy, they may but for now they’re Lucha Budgetground. Unfortunately this is the most viewed thread in recent weeks and it’s because something bad happened to them. No, it's not because something bad has happened to them, it's because something has happened to them. Impact is a buzz-less, lifeless product no one wants to talk about because there is usually nothing to talk about. It’s bad, it’s loltna bad. A representative of the company made an ass of himself and downplayed the ratings, which that and the ad rates is the only reason why Pop is putting up with them. If they get cancelled, we’ll look bad and curse at Josh for it. Because they kept garbage like Mathews, they’re still TNA and until they learn that, they’ll keep making the same mistakes.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2018 17:17:19 GMT -5
Yea that was pretty stupid. I didn’t get on Ethan Page as much because he’s a wrestler and Josh could have easily played that off instead of co-signing on what he said like an idiot. Josh has been in the business long enough, to know not to make a blanket statement that will f** shit up One of the best things this regime has done for the sake of mankind has been reigning Josh the f*** in and not letting him be full-blown douchebag all over the everywhere. They couldn't do much in this situation clearly, but yeah there's really nothing in what he said that's helping anyone's case or making the company look better. I'm not sure how broad this media call was as far as non-wrestling publications, but between wrestling sites reporting on ratings pretty steadily and anyone involved in actual television knowing that ratings are actually a thing, Josh isn't really doing the company much by perpetuating the "but look at our +3s and +5s!" nonsense of the Dixie regime Yeah, that whole DVR shit is just ridiculous when it has to be your main argument about ratings. Ratings still matter to WWE but not as much anymore considering they got checks with a few hundred million waiting for them plus an app Impact is still selling PPVs, the app is there but it’s meh, you’re still not touring or doing house shows. You need your TV
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Post by markymark on Dec 5, 2018 17:40:46 GMT -5
TV ratings matter when you're supposed to be a TV-based product you f***ing nitwit. That is the major problem for Impact, they still haven't built their touring and live events to anything that could sustain the company. I also wonder if MLW Fusion is doing better ratings at this point with a similar talent pool? They are actually doing well with their Onos and Twitch shows attendances despite taking place in small buildings. MLW doesnt depend on ratings either, they depend on their house shows despite ROH taking talent from them(PCO, Brody King)
They’re light years away from becoming a super indy, they may but for now they’re Lucha Budgetground. Unfortunately this is the most viewed thread in recent weeks and it’s because something bad happened to them. No, it's not because something bad has happened to them, it's because something has happened to them. Impact is a buzz-less, lifeless product no one wants to talk about because there is usually nothing to talk about.
Thats kinda true and also doesnt help that good wrestling shows(Smackdown) get what TNA used to get on Spike TV, the Wrestling industry is dying.
Yea that was pretty stupid. I didn’t get on Ethan Page as much because he’s a wrestler and Josh could have easily played that off instead of co-signing on what he said like an idiot. Josh has been in the business long enough, to know not to make a blanket statement that will f** shit up One of the best things this regime has done for the sake of mankind has been reigning Josh the f*** in and not letting him be full-blown douchebag all over the everywhere. They couldn't do much in this situation clearly, but yeah there's really nothing in what he said that's helping anyone's case or making the company look better. I'm not sure how broad this media call was as far as non-wrestling publications, but between wrestling sites reporting on ratings pretty steadily and anyone involved in actual television knowing that ratings are actually a thing, Josh isn't really doing the company much by perpetuating the "but look at our +3s and +5s!" nonsense of the Dixie regime Yeah, if it was old Josh, he would acting all smug and say stupid shit like "I still have my buckets of cash" or insult fans/journalists. He is trying to be very conservative. No, it's not because something bad has happened to them, it's because something has happened to them. Impact is a buzz-less, lifeless product no one wants to talk about because there is usually nothing to talk about. It’s bad, it’s loltna bad. A representative of the company made an ass of himself and downplayed the ratings, which that and the ad rates is the only reason why Pop is putting up with them. If they get cancelled, we’ll look bad and curse at Josh for it. Because they kept garbage like Mathews, they’re still TNA and until they learn that, they’ll keep making the same mistakes.
They wont get rid of Josh until his contract expires and Garrett Kidney gets more experience, it clear that the long term goal is for Garrett to take over all of Impact social media.
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Post by . on Dec 5, 2018 19:31:13 GMT -5
Josh is right. I remember watching the last Superbowl 3 weeks after it aired.
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Post by Shark on Dec 5, 2018 19:45:14 GMT -5
Ratings matter for Impact. They don't for WWE because of how much they get from NBC and now Fox. Impact's ratings are very bad for them. They have issues getting sponsors and keep jumping networks which just looks bad. Unless their DVR numbers are off the charts amazing, they have far less eyes on their product which translates to less revenue from advertisers which is hard enough for wrestling as it is. Maybe they can do something with Twitch, but I don't know how sustainable that can be. The fact that Pop moved the show to late night means ratings matter to them. A hell of a lot.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 5, 2018 19:45:31 GMT -5
That is the major problem for Impact, they still haven't built their touring and live events to anything that could sustain the company. I also wonder if MLW Fusion is doing better ratings at this point with a similar talent pool? They are actually doing well with their Onos and Twitch shows attendances despite taking place in small buildings. MLW doesnt depend on ratings either, they depend on their house shows despite ROH taking talent from them(PCO, Brody King)
No, it's not because something bad has happened to them, it's because something has happened to them. Impact is a buzz-less, lifeless product no one wants to talk about because there is usually nothing to talk about.
Thats kinda true and also doesnt help that good wrestling shows(Smackdown) get what TNA used to get on Spike TV, the Wrestling industry is dying.
One of the best things this regime has done for the sake of mankind has been reigning Josh the f*** in and not letting him be full-blown douchebag all over the everywhere. They couldn't do much in this situation clearly, but yeah there's really nothing in what he said that's helping anyone's case or making the company look better. I'm not sure how broad this media call was as far as non-wrestling publications, but between wrestling sites reporting on ratings pretty steadily and anyone involved in actual television knowing that ratings are actually a thing, Josh isn't really doing the company much by perpetuating the "but look at our +3s and +5s!" nonsense of the Dixie regime Yeah, if it was old Josh, he would acting all smug and say stupid shit like "I still have my buckets of cash" or insult fans/journalists. He is trying to be very conservative. It’s bad, it’s loltna bad. A representative of the company made an ass of himself and downplayed the ratings, which that and the ad rates is the only reason why Pop is putting up with them. If they get cancelled, we’ll look bad and curse at Josh for it. Because they kept garbage like Mathews, they’re still TNA and until they learn that, they’ll keep making the same mistakes.
They wont get rid of Josh until his contract expires and Garrett Kidney gets more experience, it clear that the long term goal is for Garrett to take over all of Impact social media.
I would pay Mathews to just sit at home and do nothing. He’s that toxic.
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Post by corndog on Dec 6, 2018 0:48:05 GMT -5
That is the major problem for Impact, they still haven't built their touring and live events to anything that could sustain the company. I also wonder if MLW Fusion is doing better ratings at this point with a similar talent pool? They are actually doing well with their Onos and Twitch shows attendances despite taking place in small buildings. MLW doesnt depend on ratings either, they depend on their house shows despite ROH taking talent from them(PCO, Brody King)
No, it's not because something bad has happened to them, it's because something has happened to them. Impact is a buzz-less, lifeless product no one wants to talk about because there is usually nothing to talk about. Thats kinda true and also doesnt help that good wrestling shows(Smackdown) get what TNA used to get on Spike TV, the Wrestling industry is dying.
I know MLW doesn't depend on ratings, they actually have paying crowds and do non-televised shows. They are run like an independent wrestling company should be ran, whether they are making money or not. As far as wrestling dying, that really isn't the case. TNA has been dying for a while, it should have already been dead quite a while ago. WWE is on the decline in the US, because the product is bad. If you only know of those two things, you would think wrestling is dying. But when you look at the healthy US independent wrestling scene(the healthiest non-WWE wrestling has been in the US since WCW and ECW went out of business) and wrestling in Japan, Europe, Australia and Mexico, it's actually on the upswing and doing better than it has in a long time.
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