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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 12, 2018 20:47:42 GMT -5
Pfft, look at these idiots cheering for Tyler Breeze like he matters. Don't they know that they're not supposed to cheer for him anymore because he loses wrestling matches regularly?
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Post by hbkid718 on Dec 12, 2018 21:46:11 GMT -5
Here are the facts for NXT UK: - Morgan Webster VS Fabian Aichner was Aichner’s 2nd week in a row in the NXT UK opener, Webster’s 2nd week in a row on NXT UK & 1st opener of 2018, & he went from the NXT UK main event to the following week’s opener - Isla Dawn VS Killer Kelly was Dawn’s 2nd week in a row & Kelly’s 1st NXT UK since November 28 - Amir Jordan & Kenny Williams VS James Drake & Zack Gibson was everyone’s 1st NXT UK since November 28 & their 2nd re-match - Trent Seven VS Joe Coffey was Seven’s 1st NXT UK since November 14 & his 1st main event of 2018, Coffey’s 1st NXT UK match since November 28 & 1st main event since November 7
Here are the facts for NXT UK (2nd Episode): - Ligero & Ashton Smith VS Gallus was Ligero’s 4th week in a row on NXT UK, Wolfgang’s 2nd week in a row on NXT UK & he is the 2nd wrestler this week to go from the NXT main event to the following NXT UK opener, Smith’s 1st NXT UK since November 28, Joe Coffey’s 1st NXT UK since November 7, everyone’s 1st opener of 2018, the 1st time both teams teamed up in 2018, & was the 400th Tag Team Match in WWE & NXT on TV & PPV in 2018 - Jack Starz VS Joseph Conners was Conners’ 5th week in a row on NXT UK & was Starz’s 1st NXT UK since November 21 - Xia Brooskide VS Jinny was Brookside’s 1st NXT UK since November 28 & Jinny’s 1st NXT UK since November 21 - Dave Mastiff VS Eddie Dennis was Dennis’ 4th week in a row on NXT UK, Mastiff’s 2nd week in a row on NXT UK, & both wrestlers’ 1st NXT UK main event
Here are the facts for 205 Live: -Gran Metalik VS Buddy Murphy was Murphy’s 1st 205 Live since November 28, Metalik’s 1st 205 Live since November 21, both wrestlers’ 1st opener since September 11, & their 2nd re-match - Cedric Alexander VS Tony Nese was both wrestlers’ 1st 205 Live match & main event since November 28, & was their 5th re-match
Here are the facts for NXT: - EC3 VS Bobby Fish was EC3’s 1st NXT since November 28 & 1st opener since October 24, Fish’s 1st NXT TV match since February 2 & his 1st opener of 2018, & was his 1st singles match since he lost to Aleister Black on NXT on July 12, 2017 - Danny Burch & Oney Lorcan VS The Mighty was everyone’s 1st NXT match since November 28, & was their 2nd re-match - Mia Yim VS Reina Gonzalez was Yim’s 1st NXT match since November 28, Gonzalez’s NXT debut, & her 1st match overall since she lost to Kacy Catanzano on the Mae Young Classic on September 12 - Ricochet VS Tyler Breeze was the 7th NXT North American Championship Match of 2018 & 1st since NXT on October 10, Ricochet’s 1st NXT match & main event since October 10, Breeze’s 1st NXT match & main event of 2018 & his 1st NXT match since he lost to Samoa Joe on October 28, 2015
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 12, 2018 22:46:42 GMT -5
The NXT UK fans booing Zack Gibson for merely existing always makes me laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 23:01:10 GMT -5
So I actually have a concern regarding the fatal four way #1 contenders match coming up in a few weeks. What if Bianca or another heel ends up winning it? I cannot imagine Shayna vs Bianca or Lacey going over too well with the audience. Not to mention that it would be a MASSIVE step down in quality from something like Kairi vs Shayna. Because you have the natural underdog babyface going up against the big bad heel in Shayna. Where I don't think that would work with someone like Bianca or Lacey. Not to mention that Shayna really can't carry greener talents, and people like Bianca and Lacey are still INCREDIBLY green at times to the point of where it really hurts the match. I think it'd work fine with Bianca. She already feels like a star, and the crowd want to cheer for her regardless of alignment - similar to how Dream was being received a while back. She'd be the face without having to change anything. Match quality is a concern, but I think they could put together something decent. Bianca still needs seasoning, but she's far from bad.
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Post by the2ndevil on Dec 12, 2018 23:03:17 GMT -5
Ok, that makes it a little less weird. The obviously massive age difference between them still creeps me out and the nick name does not help matters.
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Post by mistery on Dec 12, 2018 23:32:20 GMT -5
So I actually have a concern regarding the fatal four way #1 contenders match coming up in a few weeks. What if Bianca or another heel ends up winning it? I cannot imagine Shayna vs Bianca or Lacey going over too well with the audience. Not to mention that it would be a MASSIVE step down in quality from something like Kairi vs Shayna. Because you have the natural underdog babyface going up against the big bad heel in Shayna. Where I don't think that would work with someone like Bianca or Lacey. Not to mention that Shayna really can't carry greener talents, and people like Bianca and Lacey are still INCREDIBLY green at times to the point of where it really hurts the match. I think it'd work fine with Bianca. She already feels like a star, and the crowd want to cheer for her regardless of alignment - similar to how Dream was being received a while back. Match quality is a concern, but I think they could put together something passable. I dunno. Full Sail is a different beast compared to Takeover crowds. Either way, assuming a heel wins, I don't think they should be the one to win the title from Shayna. Bianca and Lacey are not babyfaces, and the rub of actually winning the title off of Shayna would be a huge waste on a heel. It would also make the entire babyface division look like a bunch of geeks. And if the match quality is bad, the crowd may turn hostile on both performers. Where if there is a babyface involved, at least they can still root for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 23:46:47 GMT -5
I think it'd work fine with Bianca. She already feels like a star, and the crowd want to cheer for her regardless of alignment - similar to how Dream was being received a while back. Match quality is a concern, but I think they could put together something passable. I dunno. Full Sail is a different beast compared to Takeover crowds. Either way, assuming a heel wins, I don't think they should be the one to win the title from Shayna. Bianca and Lacey are not babyfaces, and the rub of actually winning the title off of Shayna would be a huge waste on a heel. It would also make the entire babyface division look like a bunch of geeks. And if the match quality is bad, the crowd may turn hostile on both performers. Where if there is a babyface involved, at least they can still root for them. Bianca wrestled Deonna Purrazzo in a match taped in Brooklyn before Takeover Brooklyn, and she was way over. More so than Deonna, the face.
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Post by mistery on Dec 13, 2018 0:10:06 GMT -5
I dunno. Full Sail is a different beast compared to Takeover crowds. Either way, assuming a heel wins, I don't think they should be the one to win the title from Shayna. Bianca and Lacey are not babyfaces, and the rub of actually winning the title off of Shayna would be a huge waste on a heel. It would also make the entire babyface division look like a bunch of geeks. And if the match quality is bad, the crowd may turn hostile on both performers. Where if there is a babyface involved, at least they can still root for them. Bianca wrestled Deonna Purrazzo in a match taped in Brooklyn before Takeover Brooklyn, and she was way over. More so than Deonna, the face. Guess we'll see, but considering they are actually doubling down on Bianca's heel tendencies, it makes me think that if her or Lacey win, we are going to be in for a very rough feud (and not in a good way). Makes me wonder if they'll insert Kairi back into the feud during the next set of tapings (regardless of who wins), since there is one more set before Takeover: Phoenix. She wasn't on the latest set due to illness, which makes me think they probably had to change some plans around, because it was pretty apparent from her San Jose interview that Kairi wasn't done with Shayna. I mean everything I listed above is moot if Mia Yim or another babyface wins the #1 contenders match. But if they don't add in a pure babyface to the match, I can't see it going over well with the audience. Bianca isn't over with every crowd, and using the example you cited is one thing. But Deonna isn't exactly a popular babyface either. I think she's made like one appearance on NXT over the past few months. Regardless, even if Bianca or Lacey wins in two weeks or whatever, I don't think they should take the title from Shayna. It would be a massive waste of a rub that should go to a babyface (whether it be Kairi, Io, Mia, etc). If that means snapping Bianca's undefeated streak, then so be it. Bianca needs significantly more character development anyways. Because outside of just parroting she's undefeated, she literally has no character.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 13, 2018 0:34:55 GMT -5
The slap finish from Oney/Twoey vs. The Mighty was pretty funny.
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Post by thetower52 on Dec 13, 2018 3:38:01 GMT -5
Otiz really is wrestling Chris Farley isn’t he? Also Dakota Kai wearing a kings slayer shirt!
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Post by thetower52 on Dec 13, 2018 3:48:57 GMT -5
Doing a cage match right after war games seems odd
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Post by Abdullah on Dec 13, 2018 3:56:13 GMT -5
How was Breeze vs Ricochet? Worth seeking out?
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Dec 13, 2018 9:37:57 GMT -5
How was Breeze vs Ricochet? Worth seeking out? I enjoyed it. Ricochet is always entertaining, and I forgot how good Breeze is.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Dec 13, 2018 12:09:02 GMT -5
NXT UK I hate Flash Morgan Webster. Just comes off so annoying. He's like a less talented Ziggler.
Dawn over Kelly....really? I mean Isla looked better here than in the past, but naw I'm not feeling her.
I don't like Gibson being stuck in a tag team, but him and Drake help make the tag division look better.
Kenny Williams still needs to tweak his gimmick, but he should be in Websters spot imo.
I really like Gallus. The name, the look and theme. They look legit along with British Strong Style.
Seven vs. Coffey started off slow, but really built to a really fun hard hitting match.
Said it last week, will say it this week. I like Conners, but his gear is trash and doesn't fit his character. It'd be like Orton wearing Bobby Roodes gear.
Jinny vs. Xia was a good match. I like both of them. Brookside has so much upside and is already one of the better female workers in NXT UK imo.
Mastiff vs. Dennis was pretty good. Dennis needs some pants!
205 Murphy vs. Metalik was really really good. Murphy showed why he's the champ and Metalik showed why he is clearly the best member of LHP.
Kendrick getting a makeover? Interesting. Good promos by both teams. Should be a fun match next week.
Alexander vs. Nese was another really good match.
NXT The Undisputed Era are great.
The Mighty vs. The BritAm Brawlers was f***ing awesome..again.
Ricochet vs. Tyler Breeze. It was so good to see Breeze back in NXT. This was a very fun match. I hope they keep this gimmick up with Ricochet taking on old NXT fan favorites. Maybe have a big name like Sami Zayn answer the challenge at TakeOver New York.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 13, 2018 12:29:21 GMT -5
How was Breeze vs Ricochet? Worth seeking out? Pretty good match with some great spots (Breeze avoiding Ric's splash and then hitting a Supermodel Kick followed by a reverse hurricanrana being my favorite).
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Dec 13, 2018 14:59:45 GMT -5
Ricochet vs. Tyler Breeze. It was so good to see Breeze back in NXT. This was a very fun match. I hope they keep this gimmick up with Ricochet taking on old NXT fan favorites. Maybe have a big name like Sami Zayn answer the challenge at TakeOver New York. That's a very very good idea and a great way to give some of the mid card something fun to do during Wrestlemania season.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 13, 2018 19:38:25 GMT -5
Ricochet vs. Tyler Breeze. It was so good to see Breeze back in NXT. This was a very fun match. I hope they keep this gimmick up with Ricochet taking on old NXT fan favorites. Maybe have a big name like Sami Zayn answer the challenge at TakeOver New York. That's a very very good idea and a great way to give some of the mid card something fun to do during Wrestlemania season. It'd give Ric something to do that isn't just fighting Adam Cole or any Undisputed Era members, plus it could lead to some fun surprises.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 14, 2018 0:26:12 GMT -5
Bianca wrestled Deonna Purrazzo in a match taped in Brooklyn before Takeover Brooklyn, and she was way over. More so than Deonna, the face. Guess we'll see, but considering they are actually doubling down on Bianca's heel tendencies, it makes me think that if her or Lacey win, we are going to be in for a very rough feud (and not in a good way). Makes me wonder if they'll insert Kairi back into the feud during the next set of tapings (regardless of who wins), since there is one more set before Takeover: Phoenix. She wasn't on the latest set due to illness, which makes me think they probably had to change some plans around, because it was pretty apparent from her San Jose interview that Kairi wasn't done with Shayna. I mean everything I listed above is moot if Mia Yim or another babyface wins the #1 contenders match. But if they don't add in a pure babyface to the match, I can't see it going over well with the audience. Bianca isn't over with every crowd, and using the example you cited is one thing. But Deonna isn't exactly a popular babyface either. I think she's made like one appearance on NXT over the past few months. Regardless, even if Bianca or Lacey wins in two weeks or whatever, I don't think they should take the title from Shayna. It would be a massive waste of a rub that should go to a babyface (whether it be Kairi, Io, Mia, etc). If that means snapping Bianca's undefeated streak, then so be it. Bianca needs significantly more character development anyways. Because outside of just parroting she's undefeated, she literally has no character. NXT Booking, especially for the Women's division, has always been experimental-- but ultimately successful. Sasha Banks was 1st pushed as a Rocky Miavia-type face. And did not get over-- but after becoming The Boss she got over as a heel, and also as a tweener-face that people loved to cheer (but most importantly, they bought her winning main event matches/becoming NXT Champ). If Bianca gets that same reaction (tweener who acts heelish but gets massive pops-- also there's her UN-DE-FEA-TED gimmick which will always get face pops ala Rusev's US title streak) having her as the defacto face in the Fatal Fourway, then later being face-by-default again in the actual Women's title match against Shayna/Jessamyn/Marina disadvantage (with 4-Horsewomen interference being countered by Belair's whip hair as a weapon PLEASE) really makes Bianca a Tweener Beast if she plows past Bayzler and 3/4ths of the 4-Horsewomen-- needless to say Bianca Belair v Ronda Rousey in a Champ v Champ match at Night of Champions (if they do another one NoC's been on hiatus for 3 years). Let me also just point out that WWE main is also trying this tweener gimmick with Elias. He still acts like a heel (telling the WWE Universe to silence their phones and shut their mouths still) but accepts getting face pops with acknowledgement during his promo. Rusev does this on SDLive as well, but that also is a double-edged sword for him cause he just jobs to faces and heels lol
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Post by mistery on Dec 14, 2018 15:17:00 GMT -5
Guess we'll see, but considering they are actually doubling down on Bianca's heel tendencies, it makes me think that if her or Lacey win, we are going to be in for a very rough feud (and not in a good way). Makes me wonder if they'll insert Kairi back into the feud during the next set of tapings (regardless of who wins), since there is one more set before Takeover: Phoenix. She wasn't on the latest set due to illness, which makes me think they probably had to change some plans around, because it was pretty apparent from her San Jose interview that Kairi wasn't done with Shayna. I mean everything I listed above is moot if Mia Yim or another babyface wins the #1 contenders match. But if they don't add in a pure babyface to the match, I can't see it going over well with the audience. Bianca isn't over with every crowd, and using the example you cited is one thing. But Deonna isn't exactly a popular babyface either. I think she's made like one appearance on NXT over the past few months. Regardless, even if Bianca or Lacey wins in two weeks or whatever, I don't think they should take the title from Shayna. It would be a massive waste of a rub that should go to a babyface (whether it be Kairi, Io, Mia, etc). If that means snapping Bianca's undefeated streak, then so be it. Bianca needs significantly more character development anyways. Because outside of just parroting she's undefeated, she literally has no character. NXT Booking, especially for the Women's division, has always been experimental-- but ultimately successful. Sasha Banks was 1st pushed as a Rocky Miavia-type face. And did not get over-- but after becoming The Boss she got over as a heel, and also as a tweener-face that people loved to cheer (but most importantly, they bought her winning main event matches/becoming NXT Champ). If Bianca gets that same reaction (tweener who acts heelish but gets massive pops-- also there's her UN-DE-FEA-TED gimmick which will always get face pops ala Rusev's US title streak) having her as the defacto face in the Fatal Fourway, then later being face-by-default again in the actual Women's title match against Shayna/Jessamyn/Marina disadvantage (with 4-Horsewomen interference being countered by Belair's whip hair as a weapon PLEASE) really makes Bianca a Tweener Beast if she plows past Bayzler and 3/4ths of the 4-Horsewomen-- needless to say Bianca Belair v Ronda Rousey in a Champ v Champ match at Night of Champions (if they do another one NoC's been on hiatus for 3 years). Let me also just point out that WWE main is also trying this tweener gimmick with Elias. He still acts like a heel (telling the WWE Universe to silence their phones and shut their mouths still) but accepts getting face pops with acknowledgement during his promo. Rusev does this on SDLive as well, but that also is a double-edged sword for him cause he just jobs to faces and heels lol What? Elias is a full fledged face. He just asks people to silence their phones. Nothing more than that. And Bianca really shouldn't be champion right now. They like to experiment, but Bianca is still very green a lot of the time. Her match with Deonna is a good example. And her first match with Nikki Cross was also pretty bad as well. Also if NXT is going to start using house shows to push their storylines, then Bianca isn't undefeated either. She loses almost every house show match she's in. And yes, she's a heel. Considering Mia Yim is in the match, and I assume either Dakota or Io will be added to the match if they beat Marina and Jessamyn next week. And both of them are more likely to get a better reaction than Bianca would when it comes to getting the crowd on their side. I think people are vastly overestimating a potential feud between Bianca and Shayna. Bianca is very green and still very much a heel. And the only person who should be beating Shayna for the title at this point is an actual solid babyface. Not a tweener. Not to mention that a Bianca/Shayna match would likely not be a very good bout. Because Shayna is god awful when she isn't allowed to bully people around in the ring. And she's had significant trouble carrying greener talents to good matches. On top of that, I cannot see Bianca and Shayna's styles meshing well either. Basically I feel like if Bianca does win the fatal four way, she's going to be used as a filler opponent for Shayna. Or they'll add in another person to the match. Because I don't see Shayna dropping that title until Takeover: New York.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 29, 2018 1:25:15 GMT -5
NXT Booking, especially for the Women's division, has always been experimental-- but ultimately successful. Sasha Banks was 1st pushed as a Rocky Miavia-type face. And did not get over-- but after becoming The Boss she got over as a heel, and also as a tweener-face that people loved to cheer (but most importantly, they bought her winning main event matches/becoming NXT Champ). If Bianca gets that same reaction (tweener who acts heelish but gets massive pops-- also there's her UN-DE-FEA-TED gimmick which will always get face pops ala Rusev's US title streak) having her as the defacto face in the Fatal Fourway, then later being face-by-default again in the actual Women's title match against Shayna/Jessamyn/Marina disadvantage (with 4-Horsewomen interference being countered by Belair's whip hair as a weapon PLEASE) really makes Bianca a Tweener Beast if she plows past Bayzler and 3/4ths of the 4-Horsewomen-- needless to say Bianca Belair v Ronda Rousey in a Champ v Champ match at Night of Champions (if they do another one NoC's been on hiatus for 3 years). Let me also just point out that WWE main is also trying this tweener gimmick with Elias. He still acts like a heel (telling the WWE Universe to silence their phones and shut their mouths still) but accepts getting face pops with acknowledgement during his promo. Rusev does this on SDLive as well, but that also is a double-edged sword for him cause he just jobs to faces and heels lol What? Elias is a full fledged face. He just asks people to silence their phones. Nothing more than that. And Bianca really shouldn't be champion right now. They like to experiment, but Bianca is still very green a lot of the time. Her match with Deonna is a good example. And her first match with Nikki Cross was also pretty bad as well. Also if NXT is going to start using house shows to push their storylines, then Bianca isn't undefeated either. She loses almost every house show match she's in. And yes, she's a heel. Considering Mia Yim is in the match, and I assume either Dakota or Io will be added to the match if they beat Marina and Jessamyn next week. And both of them are more likely to get a better reaction than Bianca would when it comes to getting the crowd on their side. I think people are vastly overestimating a potential feud between Bianca and Shayna. Bianca is very green and still very much a heel. And the only person who should be beating Shayna for the title at this point is an actual solid babyface. Not a tweener. Not to mention that a Bianca/Shayna match would likely not be a very good bout. Because Shayna is god awful when she isn't allowed to bully people around in the ring. And she's had significant trouble carrying greener talents to good matches. On top of that, I cannot see Bianca and Shayna's styles meshing well either. Basically I feel like if Bianca does win the fatal four way, she's going to be used as a filler opponent for Shayna. Or they'll add in another person to the match. Because I don't see Shayna dropping that title until Takeover: New York. Told ya so. Bianca was easily the face of the Fatal 4 Way and the commentators said she shouldnt have even had to wrestle a #1 contender's match. The crowd will pop for Bianca against Shayna and I bet it will be the best match both ladies have to date.
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