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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 16, 2018 14:14:00 GMT -5
I'll always enjoy the music (Williams did bravura work on all three prequels), Neeson's performance, the Podrace and the final duel. the music and especially duel of the fates are probably the best things that came from the Prequels... as noted by Duel's continual use since then. I did enjoy a lot of the practical effects in Phantom Menace... there were a lot of them and it was before Lucas went screw it just CG everything.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 16, 2018 14:42:38 GMT -5
Let's be honest about one thing. The Trade Federation are the lamest heels in the history of all of cinema. Entirely too much time is spent on these fools when they don't matter at all since in the end they're just pawns of Palpatine's game of chess and aren't even masters of their own fate. It's never even explained why they're working for an obviously evil guy who hides his identity in the first place. Why were they blocking Naboo? What was their long-term plan? Why did they expect that the Queen would willingly sign a treaty that says they have permission to f***ing INVADE HER ENTIRE PLANET! Then there's the stupidity of the republic. Apparently the testimony of the Queen, her entire staff, another resident of the planet, and two Jedi Knights isn't enough to convince them that her planet has been invaded. God, this movie pisses me off.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 16, 2018 14:49:39 GMT -5
Thought it was ok. Wondered who asked for all the trade bullshit, but didn't hate the movie really. Just kinda eh. People who study politics don't even understand the trade issues in the movie. I am not quite sure how that was supposed to appeal to children.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 16, 2018 15:19:09 GMT -5
Thought it was ok. Wondered who asked for all the trade bullshit, but didn't hate the movie really. Just kinda eh. People who study politics don't even understand the trade issues in the movie. I am not quite sure how that was supposed to appeal to children. Right, and take out understanding, it just wasn't entertaining.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 16, 2018 15:58:17 GMT -5
People who study politics don't even understand the trade issues in the movie. I am not quite sure how that was supposed to appeal to children. Right, and take out understanding, it just wasn't entertaining. Like I said the idea was based on the old Sci Fi serials like much of star wars... there were usually episodes of people tied up in trade deals.... which is ok when it's a weekly serial with about 5 dollars in the budget and sitting 5 dudes in a room is cheap... not so much in a multi billion dollar movie
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 16, 2018 16:11:13 GMT -5
You put Anakin at about age 19 and already a Padawan under Qui-Gon's charge along with Anakin, only he's the more headstrong one and it's immediately a better trilogy. Cut out all that shit about immaculate force conception and etc. He's just a cocky kid who everything comes easy to and lacks discipline while still being heroic. He's not whiny, he's just overconfident and THAT leads to him getting seduced by the Dark Side.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 16, 2018 16:31:32 GMT -5
You put Anakin at about age 19 and already a Padawan under Qui-Gon's charge along with Anakin, only he's the more headstrong one and it's immediately a better trilogy. Cut out all that shit about immaculate force conception and etc. He's just a cocky kid who everything comes easy to and lacks discipline while still being heroic. He's not whiny, he's just overconfident and THAT leads to him getting seduced by the Dark Side. I dunno, I like the concept of him coming to the Jedi late, 19 is a good age, way more justifiable in terms of "too old to train". Have him be a cocky kid, he's the best podracer because he uses the force to cheat, pick up women in bars, just scummy stuff. End of the first film, he's almost in a Han Solo role, the rogue with a good heart. 2nd Film, that heart gets him into trouble, Jedi rules start pressing on him, falls in love etc. The 3rd could pretty much play out the same, just with new context.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 16, 2018 16:41:37 GMT -5
You put Anakin at about age 19 and already a Padawan under Qui-Gon's charge along with Anakin, only he's the more headstrong one and it's immediately a better trilogy. Cut out all that shit about immaculate force conception and etc. He's just a cocky kid who everything comes easy to and lacks discipline while still being heroic. He's not whiny, he's just overconfident and THAT leads to him getting seduced by the Dark Side. I dunno, I like the concept of him coming to the Jedi late, 19 is a good age, way more justifiable in terms of "too old to train". Have him be a cocky kid, he's the best podracer because he uses the force to cheat, pick up women in bars, just scummy stuff. End of the first film, he's almost in a Han Solo role, the rogue with a good heart. 2nd Film, that heart gets him into trouble, Jedi rules start pressing on him, falls in love etc. The 3rd could pretty much play out the same, just with new context. For me the fall should've happened in the second movie. Four hours is plenty of time to establish Anakin as a good but flawed man, and then you have the third movie to have Vader leading the hunt for the Jedi. The final duel can play out much the same way, but for the rest of the movie you can have the steadily building tension as the net slowly closes around the surviving Jedi.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 16, 2018 16:57:01 GMT -5
You put Anakin at about age 19 and already a Padawan under Qui-Gon's charge along with Anakin, only he's the more headstrong one and it's immediately a better trilogy. Cut out all that shit about immaculate force conception and etc. He's just a cocky kid who everything comes easy to and lacks discipline while still being heroic. He's not whiny, he's just overconfident and THAT leads to him getting seduced by the Dark Side. I dunno, I like the concept of him coming to the Jedi late, 19 is a good age, way more justifiable in terms of "too old to train". Have him be a cocky kid, he's the best podracer because he uses the force to cheat, pick up women in bars, just scummy stuff. End of the first film, he's almost in a Han Solo role, the rogue with a good heart. 2nd Film, that heart gets him into trouble, Jedi rules start pressing on him, falls in love etc. The 3rd could pretty much play out the same, just with new context. In my version he'd already be training. I wouldn't have Tatooine, Shmi, or any of that.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 16, 2018 17:08:41 GMT -5
I dunno, I like the concept of him coming to the Jedi late, 19 is a good age, way more justifiable in terms of "too old to train". Have him be a cocky kid, he's the best podracer because he uses the force to cheat, pick up women in bars, just scummy stuff. End of the first film, he's almost in a Han Solo role, the rogue with a good heart. 2nd Film, that heart gets him into trouble, Jedi rules start pressing on him, falls in love etc. The 3rd could pretty much play out the same, just with new context. In my version he'd already be training. I wouldn't have Tatooine, Shmi, or any of that. Oh no Shmi or anything, he's a grownup with his own life, there's no family or anything, he just comes into the story with none of that baggage. I just thing him being an outsider gives a better reason the Jedi don't know how to handle him, a random cocky padawan, there must have been hundreds. But someone who's been in the outside world and knows how that works as opposed to indoctrinated from birth is new. It also adds to the corruption of the Jedi. They're so established and complacent anything challenging their way can take them down because they don't understand the universe.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 16, 2018 17:31:33 GMT -5
The Byzantine plot of the prequels is a good point. On one hand they had the Jar Jar silliness and wacky tone for a while (until the dark ROTS) but the actual plot with trade negotiations and Palpatine's overall scheming of playing everyone against each other is quite hard to follow. It's not easy for a young viewer, which makes me wonder what they were doing. Ironically in the current sequels I think they haven't explained much of anything in terms of the current geopolitical situation in the galaxy and it's been a big problem. I don't know exactly what power the First Order have, or if there's a current Senate, or who is on what side aside from the basic Leia and Co. vs. Snoke/Kyo/Hux deal. All of this could have been explained in Force Awakens and from all accounts it will be in the 9th movie (Leia deleted scenes). All of this could have proven interesting in TFA but noooooo. We had to have Finn onscreen nonstop for over 2 hours.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 16, 2018 19:42:04 GMT -5
I was 11. I loved it. I loved the pod racers. I loved Jar Jar, I had a backpack of him. I loved the Star Wars Lego, it was badass.
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Post by stealthamo on Dec 16, 2018 19:55:21 GMT -5
Don't really remember what I thought about it when it came out, probably thought it was awesome since I was 8. Do remember thinking the pod racing game was amazing though.
Nowadays, I wouldn't say it's not good (probably the worst of the main Star Wars movies), but I certainly don't think it's the atrocity the Internet makes it out to be.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 16, 2018 20:13:18 GMT -5
The Byzantine plot of the prequels is a good point. On one hand they had the Jar Jar silliness and wacky tone for a while (until the dark ROTS) but the actual plot with trade negotiations and Palpatine's overall scheming of playing everyone against each other is quite hard to follow. It's not easy for a young viewer, which makes me wonder what they were doing. Ironically in the current sequels I think they haven't explained much of anything in terms of the current geopolitical situation in the galaxy and it's been a big problem. I don't know exactly what power the First Order have, or if there's a current Senate, or who is on what side aside from the basic Leia and Co. vs. Snoke/Kyo/Hux deal. All of this could have been explained in Force Awakens and from all accounts it will be in the 9th movie (Leia deleted scenes). All of this could have proven interesting in TFA but noooooo. We had to have Finn onscreen nonstop for over 2 hours. That's my main issue with the new series. We still have little idea what the First Order is about. Why there was a resistance when apparently the Republic was up and running. Who the Knights of Ren are. Why the Republic isn't helping fight the First Order. Whose in charge of the Republic. It's an incoherent mess.
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Post by Paul on Dec 16, 2018 21:32:53 GMT -5
Don't really remember what I thought about it when it came out, probably thought it was awesome since I was 8. Do remember thinking the pod racing game was amazing though. Nowadays, I wouldn't say it's not good (probably the worst of the main Star Wars movies), but I certainly don't think it's the atrocity the Internet makes it out to be. I wish I'd been around 7 or 8 when the movie came out because at that age I would've probably really enjoyed it and thought Jar-Jar was a riot.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 16, 2018 22:30:16 GMT -5
The Byzantine plot of the prequels is a good point. On one hand they had the Jar Jar silliness and wacky tone for a while (until the dark ROTS) but the actual plot with trade negotiations and Palpatine's overall scheming of playing everyone against each other is quite hard to follow. It's not easy for a young viewer, which makes me wonder what they were doing. Ironically in the current sequels I think they haven't explained much of anything in terms of the current geopolitical situation in the galaxy and it's been a big problem. I don't know exactly what power the First Order have, or if there's a current Senate, or who is on what side aside from the basic Leia and Co. vs. Snoke/Kyo/Hux deal. All of this could have been explained in Force Awakens and from all accounts it will be in the 9th movie (Leia deleted scenes). All of this could have proven interesting in TFA but noooooo. We had to have Finn onscreen nonstop for over 2 hours. That's my main issue with the new series. We still have little idea what the First Order is about. Why there was a resistance when apparently the Republic was up and running. Who the Knights of Ren are. Why the Republic isn't helping fight the First Order. Whose in charge of the Republic. It's an incoherent mess. That's really my only issue with the new movies. They seem to have fallen into the trap of thinking that the majority of the audience is so invested in Star Wars that they'll seek out the novels, comics, and other supplemental material that sets up the story of the movies. It's called supplental material for a reason. Don't put crucial exposition that your movie needs in something 90% of your audience will never touch.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 16, 2018 23:25:06 GMT -5
That stuff is Harry Potter syndrome. I have never read a single Potter book so certain things made zero sense to me in the later movies to the point where I was lost. So of course I'd mentioned a legit complaint about whatever cryptic plan Voldemort had, or why Neville Longbottom suddenly was John Rambo in the last movie, and people would invariably say "Well you need to read the book." Actually no I don't. If it isn't onscreen, it is a fact not in evidence.
That's kind of the problem with the First Order. I don't know what their actual plan is other than to be generic evildoers. Say what you want about the original film but at least we know that The Emperor has sent Vader, Tarkin, etc. to crush a ragtag group of rebels and build a huge weapon capable of destroying a planet as a means of forcing the galaxy into compliance. The prequels for all intents and purposes deal with Palpatine playing 3D chess while everyone else is playing checkers, orchestrating both sides of a massive war in order to cement himself as ruler of the galaxy. With the new movies I don't have a bearing on who is in charge of anything and the storytelling is so poor that I'm still amazed at the great reviews they've gotten.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 16, 2018 23:28:40 GMT -5
Wow. Twenty years coming up already?
I like Star Wars just fine, not a super mega fan, but I’m not one of much of anything.
That being said, it was fine, I don’t intend to see it again.
Also, can you imagine the shitstorm if Twitter was around then?
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Dec 16, 2018 23:37:45 GMT -5
Haven’t seen it yet... will get to it soon
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Dec 16, 2018 23:44:58 GMT -5
I fell asleep during the movie. I did work a double shift and drink a 40 before I saw it but I crashed out during to pod races.
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