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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2018 15:40:50 GMT -5
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Dec 14, 2018 16:43:18 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this, but the whole "Will they/won't they" thing with The Elite has really soured me on them. I went from being interested in wherever they were going, to just....not giving a shit, because now every discussion about them is "WWE?"
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Post by corndog on Dec 14, 2018 17:03:36 GMT -5
Cody won't be on the G1 Supercard because he won't be working for New Japan or ROH at that point. It's obvious the Bucks and Cody are starting a new company with Tony Khan, I am guessing the New Year's Day thing is them officially announcing the new promotion.
As far as Lethal's comments, he is completely right. The Elite leaving is going to devastate ROH and it could destroy the promotion, while New Japan will be more than fine, in fact probably healthier in Japan once the Elite leaves. Although it's a two way street and ROH should have working on bringing in top talent from the indies instead of acting like this wasn't going to happen. But the reason I am soured on the Elite is because it's obvious the Elite used New Japan and ROH. In their last negotiations they got both companies to bend over backwards to give them what they wanted, even though they were more than aware that they were eventually moving on. Despite the Bucks under cutting the World Tag League, I at least can respect them for already putting over G.O.D and most likely putting over EVIL/SANADA on their way out. Also, unlike Cody, Jericho and Kenny they aren't holding the belts hostage, having something over New Japan's head like those three do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 17:06:00 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this, but the whole "Will they/won't they" thing with The Elite has really soured me on them. I went from being interested in wherever they were going, to just....not giving a shit, because now every discussion about them is "WWE?" My problem for a long time has been the smug nature of their presentation. I was never big on the Bucks or anything but they were in angles and stories. Now the angle seems to be as you say Mack "where are we working next?". All business and how much they draw etc. That's great for them but the presumption seems now to be that they'll maintain a fanbase off that rathere than y'know, actually being wrestlers in angles.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2018 17:06:45 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this, but the whole "Will they/won't they" thing with The Elite has really soured me on them. I went from being interested in wherever they were going, to just....not giving a shit, because now every discussion about them is "WWE?" As I said before I can see Cody and The Bucks doing a one year run with WWE to get the extra money to do whatever they want but the constant back and forth I think is turning people off
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Post by BitterAF on Dec 14, 2018 17:43:44 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this, but the whole "Will they/won't they" thing with The Elite has really soured me on them. I went from being interested in wherever they were going, to just....not giving a shit, because now every discussion about them is "WWE?" As I said before I can see Cody and The Bucks doing a one year run with WWE to get the extra money to do whatever they want but the constant back and forth I think is turning people off I think if any of the elite go up north, they better plan to stay. Part of the appeal is they aren't exploding because of the machine. Going there ruins the excitement of what they can do without them.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 14, 2018 17:47:06 GMT -5
But seriously gang, f*** the new york post.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 14, 2018 17:48:24 GMT -5
2 things.
1) It's a generic click bait title. Getting upset about it is a waste of energy.
2) The Elite aren't really helping ROH. They're helping the Elite more than anyone else. ROH is a means to an end for them. If they were all about helping ROH then none of this "will they won't they" elite wrestling promotion thing would be out there. ROH does business. The Elite play games.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 14, 2018 17:49:02 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this, but the whole "Will they/won't they" thing with The Elite has really soured me on them. I went from being interested in wherever they were going, to just....not giving a shit, because now every discussion about them is "WWE?" My problem for a long time has been the smug nature of their presentation. I was never big on the Bucks or anything but they were in angles and stories. Now the angle seems to be as you say Mack "where are we working next?". All business and how much they draw etc. That's great for them but the presumption seems now to be that they'll maintain a fanbase off that rathere than y'know, actually being wrestlers in angles. Disliking a wrestler for being smug is like disliking water for being wet.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 14, 2018 19:07:35 GMT -5
Like father like son Dusty also fought against bad press and never admitted fault when.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 14, 2018 19:13:56 GMT -5
But seriously gang, f*** the new york post. I actually find them to be the least biased nyc paper with a great sports section. However, they hate wrestling, specifically Phil Mushnick, Yes THAT Phil Mushnick. f*** that guy. Otherwise a strong cast of sports writers imo.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2018 19:20:16 GMT -5
Cody won't be on the G1 Supercard because he won't be working for New Japan or ROH at that point. It's obvious the Bucks and Cody are starting a new company with Tony Khan, I am guessing the New Year's Day thing is them officially announcing the new promotion. As far as Lethal's comments, he is completely right. The Elite leaving is going to devastate ROH and it could destroy the promotion, while New Japan will be more than fine, in fact probably healthier in Japan once the Elite leaves. Although it's a two way street and ROH should have working on bringing in top talent from the indies instead of acting like this wasn't going to happen. But the reason I am soured on the Elite is because it's obvious the Elite used New Japan and ROH. In their last negotiations they got both companies to bend over backwards to give them what they wanted, even though they were more than aware that they were eventually moving on. Despite the Bucks under cutting the World Tag League, I at least can respect them for already putting over G.O.D and most likely putting over EVIL/SANADA on their way out. Also, unlike Cody, Jericho and Kenny they aren't holding the belts hostage, having something over New Japan's head like those three do. Yea, overall this is probably "good" for NJPW. Those guys aren't needed and as big as Cody is on the Indies he was never going to be a star in NJPW because he just doesn't mesh well there
Bucks seems to be more in the mold of thinking beyond wrestling and have enough collateral to be able to take a lesser schedule and possibly start up this new promotion. Cody is using his freedom and success to continue to branch out and try new things so more power to them and hope the best for them but yeah NJPW won't be hurt by them leaving or not being around as much but ROH def will
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 14, 2018 19:25:16 GMT -5
Here is what I don't get about Cody in this. What the hell better things does he have to do that weekend? If he and the other Elite guys aren't going to WWE there is zero excuse to not be on that MSG card. Zero. In fact I think if they aren't on the show for reasons (?) but are also not going to WWE that's worse than them just going to WWE. Because it makes zero sense. Why would these guys not want to be on the biggest domestic show they'll be on all year? The only reason I even care about it is that these tickets went on sale back in August and a lot of people probably bought with the idea in mind to see these guys. It's bad business for them to anger 15,000+ people.
I think Omega will be on this show. If he's there in a big time match I don't think fans will care that much about not getting a ho hum Cody match.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2018 19:32:13 GMT -5
Here is what I don't get about Cody in this. What the hell better things does he have to do that weekend? If he and the other Elite guys aren't going to WWE there is zero excuse to not be on that MSG card. Zero. In fact I think if they aren't on the show for reasons (?) but are also not going to WWE that's worse than them just going to WWE. Because it makes zero sense. Why would these guys not want to be on the biggest domestic show they'll be on all year? The only reason I even care about it is that these tickets went on sale back in August and a lot of people probably bought with the idea in mind to see these guys. It's bad business for them to anger 15,000+ people. I think Omega will be on this show. If he's there in a big time match I don't think fans will care that much about not getting a ho hum Cody match. Could be more of a haggle situation than anything unless they plan on going full hard with their promotion
Just seems like he doesn't want to work that weekend because no matter what he does the focus is on Mania
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 19:41:26 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm saying this, but the whole "Will they/won't they" thing with The Elite has really soured me on them. I went from being interested in wherever they were going, to just....not giving a shit, because now every discussion about them is "WWE?" Well with this AEW stuff on the horizon I can at least understand why they're being ambiguous about where they're going. Yet, I do think they need to find some semblance of stability this year. I've been patient with it but I really am reaching my limit with their Howard Stern style contract teasing every year. They're such a big part of the organizations they take part in that it's super distracting.
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Post by corndog on Dec 14, 2018 19:42:45 GMT -5
Here is what I don't get about Cody in this. What the hell better things does he have to do that weekend? If he and the other Elite guys aren't going to WWE there is zero excuse to not be on that MSG card. Zero. In fact I think if they aren't on the show for reasons (?) but are also not going to WWE that's worse than them just going to WWE. Because it makes zero sense. Why would these guys not want to be on the biggest domestic show they'll be on all year? The only reason I even care about it is that these tickets went on sale back in August and a lot of people probably bought with the idea in mind to see these guys. It's bad business for them to anger 15,000+ people. I think Omega will be on this show. If he's there in a big time match I don't think fans will care that much about not getting a ho hum Cody match. It's just an excuse, the Bucks and Cody won't be there because they won't be under ROH or New Japan contract. The only question is will Omega stay with New Japan or just exclusively work AEW? I think there is a chance Omega does both.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2018 19:46:18 GMT -5
Here is what I don't get about Cody in this. What the hell better things does he have to do that weekend? If he and the other Elite guys aren't going to WWE there is zero excuse to not be on that MSG card. Zero. In fact I think if they aren't on the show for reasons (?) but are also not going to WWE that's worse than them just going to WWE. Because it makes zero sense. Why would these guys not want to be on the biggest domestic show they'll be on all year? The only reason I even care about it is that these tickets went on sale back in August and a lot of people probably bought with the idea in mind to see these guys. It's bad business for them to anger 15,000+ people. I think Omega will be on this show. If he's there in a big time match I don't think fans will care that much about not getting a ho hum Cody match. It's just an excuse, the Bucks and Cody won't be there because they won't be under ROH or New Japan contract. The only question is will Omega stay with New Japan or just exclusively work AEW? I think there is a chance Omega does both. Yea, in no way Omega leaves New Japan to just do AEW
For all of that he could have went to WWE to make bank
Omega has been doing the little tease game too but not as much as Cody/Bucks and as I mentioned before in the WK 13 thread he lives in Japan he's not leaving that behind. He may now have completed his ultimate goal in being IWGP champ but there is more to accomplish
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Post by Dub H on Dec 14, 2018 19:47:44 GMT -5
Whats the headline?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 14, 2018 19:54:23 GMT -5
In a interview with Jay Lethal they named the article "The Man Trying To Save ROH From Cody Rhodes Mess"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 23:27:54 GMT -5
Here is what I don't get about Cody in this. What the hell better things does he have to do that weekend? If he and the other Elite guys aren't going to WWE there is zero excuse to not be on that MSG card. Zero. In fact I think if they aren't on the show for reasons (?) but are also not going to WWE that's worse than them just going to WWE. Because it makes zero sense. Why would these guys not want to be on the biggest domestic show they'll be on all year? The only reason I even care about it is that these tickets went on sale back in August and a lot of people probably bought with the idea in mind to see these guys. It's bad business for them to anger 15,000+ people. I think Omega will be on this show. If he's there in a big time match I don't think fans will care that much about not getting a ho hum Cody match. It's just an excuse, the Bucks and Cody won't be there because they won't be under ROH or New Japan contract. The only question is will Omega stay with New Japan or just exclusively work AEW? I think there is a chance Omega does both. It's not just an excuse, it's a good reason. They won't be on the show because they... don't work for those companies anymore. They kind of need to be booked and paid to appear on a show like that. If they don't have deals with those promotions, that's... plenty good reason why they won't be on it. "It's bad business to anger 15,000 people." Those people should be able to understand that when wrestlers leave a promotion, they won't be appearing on future shows for them. It's akin to saying everyone will be mad when CM Punk isn't at WrestleMania because "what the hell better things does he have to do that weekend?" Well, he doesn't work there anymore, so obviously he's not going to be there. It's up to ROH to put together a show to entertain those 15,000 people. Everyone should also keep in mind that AEW doesn't exist yet. Just some trademark applications. The whole thing could be a (smart) method of getting WWE to increase their offers to those involved. Should be interesting to see how this plays out during 2019.
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