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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 15, 2018 16:54:12 GMT -5
I think you are considerably underselling the impact he has had on both ROH and New Japan, and I think All In by itself would be plenty for most to be justifiably cocky. Promoting All In was definitely huge, props in that. That’s why I said he is more of a backstage wrestling guy to me now. But, the hipster indy wrestling boom (that isn’t a diss, I like that stuff too, that is just what I call it) was happening with or without Cody Rhodes and he just jumped on the back of the most popular guys. Respectfully disagreeing here. The Bullet Club before he got involved was in kind of a slump, on the heels of "Oh, he was a member?" Adam Cole fizzling out and leaving. Cody added a lot of intrigue and reignited a stagnant faction, and even if I am not 100 percent in love with the eventual fallout (The Firing Squad guys are just kinda tedious most of the time), it ended up bringing a lot to Omega as a character in my eyes.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 15, 2018 23:37:09 GMT -5
I have to say...ROH is in massive trouble in 2019 aside from the MSG show. Take a look at a typical ROH crowd. It's a sea of Bullet Club shirts, like 90% of the crowd. All of those guys quitting is going to seriously wreck ROH and all of this growth Cody is talking about is going to crash next year in a big way.
I think quite a bit of the recent backlash against Omega is due to his connection to these self promoting schmucks. I think if he semi distances himself from them, maybe does the odd AEW show, and largely stays in NJPW to be IWGP champion (or top contender) and team with Ibushi a lot of the recent ill will would subside.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 16, 2018 1:04:52 GMT -5
I dunno how y’all can hate on this dude so much
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 16, 2018 1:20:21 GMT -5
I have to say...ROH is in massive trouble in 2019 aside from the MSG show. Take a look at a typical ROH crowd. It's a sea of Bullet Club shirts, like 90% of the crowd. All of those guys quitting is going to seriously wreck ROH and all of this growth Cody is talking about is going to crash next year in a big way. I think quite a bit of the recent backlash against Omega is due to his connection to these self promoting schmucks. I think if he semi distances himself from them, maybe does the odd AEW show, and largely stays in NJPW to be IWGP champion (or top contender) and team with Ibushi a lot of the recent ill will would subside. It seems like Kenny has done a lot of stepping on his own dick in regards to associating himself with people where it ends up backfiring on him. There was the Chasyn Rance fiasco, followed by a Jericho who is rapidly losing his luster with quite a few fans, and now as the shine is starting to come off of The Elite (though I know some people disagree with that contention), that's also starting to make some people lose interest in Kenny. It's been a perfect storm of sucking the interest right away from him.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Dec 16, 2018 1:47:25 GMT -5
2 things. 1) It's a generic click bait title. Getting upset about it is a waste of energy. 2) The Elite aren't really helping ROH. They're helping the Elite more than anyone else. ROH is a means to an end for them. If they were all about helping ROH then none of this "will they won't they" elite wrestling promotion thing would be out there. ROH does business. The Elite play games. Yeah, but you have to in that industry. After all, wrestling fans ARE fickle, and one can go from being "The Hottest Thing in the Industry" to Yesterday's News pretty quickly. Better to use one's hotness to try and get the best deal possible for themselves in the long run. I don't blame Cody and the Bucks a bit for playing the game. I mean, yeah, ALL IN did really well, but how long can that go, realistically? It was built on the back of a super hot act, but that act can cool mighty quickly when a new hot act comes along. This is kind of the apex of the whole Elite/Bullet Club thing, and Cody and The Bucks are pretty damn smart to try to get the most out of it that they can before it dries up. If anything, ROH was kind of stupid for placing all their chips on the NJPW/Bullet Club shit in the first place. They should have used their involvement to help build their own hot acts, but instead they went ALL IN on this whole deal, and are now going to pay the price for it, as that's really all they have at this point. Yeah, they still have some good wrestlers, but so does everyone else. Having five star matches doesn't mean what it used to in an industry more driven around work rate than it was even 5 years ago. People have grown desensitized to it. And at the same time, The Elite don't owe ROH anything, as, yes, they did make ROH a hell of a lot hotter than they would have been without them. It's ROH's fault for not truly capitalizing on it with the rest of their roster.
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Post by sportatorium on Dec 16, 2018 10:07:03 GMT -5
The ROH/Elite thing is hard. ROH has a rough TV deal. The Eitr see this as their moment in wrestling. They want certain things from the company they are working with, and if the company can’t provide them, they are starting their own. ROH has lost talent before & can bounce back. They just need to book things correctly.
Omega seems like the one that still might end up in WWE. The Reigns uncertainty, Styles taking a step back, Lesnar’s age & their hesitancy to make Strowman their top guy gives him some negotiating power.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2018 11:01:46 GMT -5
I dunno how y’all can hate on this dude so much Not really hate for me. Dude has done a lot of good and can drum up interest in a match but I have no desire to actually watch him wrestle No, I’m not saying he’s a bad wrestler but the formula never changes for him and especially in NJPW it doesn’t make it interesting
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Dec 16, 2018 12:56:59 GMT -5
The stretches some of you are making to downplay the importance of everything Cody and the Elite have accomplished would make contortionists jealous.
Also, I hate to break it to everyone, but wrestling is a business, just like anything else. No matter how you slice it, ROH and NJPW are responsible for making sure all of their eggs are not in one basket, because for one reason or another, the Elite train was going to break down on them eventually. All this talk about the Elite "using" those companies is the most immature example of not understanding business I have ever seen. The Elite's job is to make themselves huge stars, and they have. ROH and NJPW's jobs are to make sure they have something to replace them when the time comes for them to move on, and they haven't done that. That's on them.
Nobody would ever look at a guy who leaves Harris Teeter to work at Bi-Lo for more money and better hours and say "Oh, he's an asshole, he just used Harris Teeter to get to the big Bi-Lo money." That sounds completely f***ing ludicrous, and it sounds even dumber once you factor in the kind of money and positioning we're talking about with the Elite.
I accept that some of you are never going to give up on the "Cody sucks" narrative, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary including the Internet Messiah Meltzer giving his matches great ratings, and I know you're going to fault the Elite for being successful, but could you at least not talk like what you're saying is reality?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 16, 2018 15:26:46 GMT -5
The stretches some of you are making to downplay the importance of everything Cody and the Elite have accomplished would make contortionists jealous. Also, I hate to break it to everyone, but wrestling is a business, just like anything else. No matter how you slice it, ROH and NJPW are responsible for making sure all of their eggs are not in one basket, because for one reason or another, the Elite train was going to break down on them eventually. All this talk about the Elite "using" those companies is the most immature example of not understanding business I have ever seen. The Elite's job is to make themselves huge stars, and they have. ROH and NJPW's jobs are to make sure they have something to replace them when the time comes for them to move on, and they haven't done that. That's on them. Nobody would ever look at a guy who leaves Harris Teeter to work at Bi-Lo for more money and better hours and say "Oh, he's an asshole, he just used Harris Teeter to get to the big Bi-Lo money." That sounds completely f***ing ludicrous, and it sounds even dumber once you factor in the kind of money and positioning we're talking about with the Elite. I accept that some of you are never going to give up on the "Cody sucks" narrative, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary including the Internet Messiah Meltzer giving his matches great ratings, and I know you're going to fault the Elite for being successful, but could you at least not talk like what you're saying is reality? Honestly I think in New Japan and ROH you can even see the big differences in how the companies have used them. New Japan treated The Bucks often as special attractions more than anything else; bring them in for big shows, big tours, let them be there and drawing eyes, but never who the show is built around. Even if Kenny does leave with them to form AEW, the amount of effort they put into making him a star was not so all-encompassing and so complete that there's nobody left to take up the mantle. New Japan has done a good job of keeping their whole card important and credible enough that they can lose all those dudes right now including their current world champion, and they will be fine. Maybe some people won't tune in anymore because there's no Bucks, but they've made the arrangement mutually beneficial and have drawn more eyes by letting those guys in and letting them do their thing. They'll still have Okada, still have LIJ, still have a ton more people ready to step up and fill those spaces the same way Kenny stepped up to fill for AJ who came in to fill for Finn. There's vast swaths of the fanbase for whom Bullet Club isn't even the top draw or point of interest and those fans are going to be there when this is all over. In contrast, it doesn't feel like ROH has very much going for it without The Elite. It's not at all helped by the fact WWE keeps poaching all the top talent and even lots of not so great guys like Punishment Martinez, but I think ROH really went in way too hard on overcompensating for those hirings by trying to go all in on the Bucks as hard as they could. They were the only people unlikely to leave them, but they went in so hard that I'm amazed one of them didn't get a world title run out of it a la the Briscoes. There's a huge hole left for them to try and fill now, and even among the people they still have going for them you have dudes like Marty and Flip who have question marks over their heads as far as if they're going to try and get out of their contracts to make the move over to AEW too. You have loyalists like Jay Lethal who ain't it anymore and The Briscoes who are basically a hand grenade waiting to go off again. ROH is going to be in for a nightmare of a time when The Bucks are gone and I don't at all blame them for that, I blame ROH for not knowing how to handle it properly and have another plan.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 16, 2018 17:25:42 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is suggesting NJPW will tank if these guys leave and I'm not 100% sure they will leave. ROH would still have access to them via NJPW for big shows, but I'm not sure that's anything but a band aid.
As far as Omega goes I don't think he wants to wrestle an insane amount of dates like in WWE. As that Elite Epidemic video noted he's wrestled like 50 something dates this year, which is not very many. If a guy negotiated fewer dates why would he suddenly sign with WWE to wrestle 4 times that much?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2018 17:31:44 GMT -5
The stretches some of you are making to downplay the importance of everything Cody and the Elite have accomplished would make contortionists jealous. Also, I hate to break it to everyone, but wrestling is a business, just like anything else. No matter how you slice it, ROH and NJPW are responsible for making sure all of their eggs are not in one basket, because for one reason or another, the Elite train was going to break down on them eventually. All this talk about the Elite "using" those companies is the most immature example of not understanding business I have ever seen. The Elite's job is to make themselves huge stars, and they have. ROH and NJPW's jobs are to make sure they have something to replace them when the time comes for them to move on, and they haven't done that. That's on them. Nobody would ever look at a guy who leaves Harris Teeter to work at Bi-Lo for more money and better hours and say "Oh, he's an asshole, he just used Harris Teeter to get to the big Bi-Lo money." That sounds completely f***ing ludicrous, and it sounds even dumber once you factor in the kind of money and positioning we're talking about with the Elite. I accept that some of you are never going to give up on the "Cody sucks" narrative, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary including the Internet Messiah Meltzer giving his matches great ratings, and I know you're going to fault the Elite for being successful, but could you at least not talk like what you're saying is reality? Honestly I think in New Japan and ROH you can even see the big differences in how the companies have used them. New Japan treated The Bucks often as special attractions more than anything else; bring them in for big shows, big tours, let them be there and drawing eyes, but never who the show is built around. Even if Kenny does leave with them to form AEW, the amount of effort they put into making him a star was not so all-encompassing and so complete that there's nobody left to take up the mantle. New Japan has done a good job of keeping their whole card important and credible enough that they can lose all those dudes right now including their current world champion, and they will be fine. Maybe some people won't tune in anymore because there's no Bucks, but they've made the arrangement mutually beneficial and have drawn more eyes by letting those guys in and letting them do their thing. They'll still have Okada, still have LIJ, still have a ton more people ready to step up and fill those spaces the same way Kenny stepped up to fill for AJ who came in to fill for Finn. There's vast swaths of the fanbase for whom Bullet Club isn't even the top draw or point of interest and those fans are going to be there when this is all over. In contrast, it doesn't feel like ROH has very much going for it without The Elite. It's not at all helped by the fact WWE keeps poaching all the top talent and even lots of not so great guys like Punishment Martinez, but I think ROH really went in way too hard on overcompensating for those hirings by trying to go all in on the Bucks as hard as they could. They were the only people unlikely to leave them, but they went in so hard that I'm amazed one of them didn't get a world title run out of it a la the Briscoes. There's a huge hole left for them to try and fill now, and even among the people they still have going for them you have dudes like Marty and Flip who have question marks over their heads as far as if they're going to try and get out of their contracts to make the move over to AEW too. You have loyalists like Jay Lethal who ain't it anymore and The Briscoes who are basically a hand grenade waiting to go off again. ROH is going to be in for a nightmare of a time when The Bucks are gone and I don't at all blame them for that, I blame ROH for not knowing how to handle it properly and have another plan. Yeah NJPW will not miss Cody or the Bucks. Bucks haven’t been used as much over the last 2 years while Cody has been used sparingly but he was never going to have an AJ Styles type Renaissance there as his style doesn’t work. Also add on Bullet Club itself being far less value than it was and you aren’t missing anything. Hell, if Kenny leaves they have Jay White waiting in the wings to take the Gaijin top spot ROH is going to miss them badly tho. It’s been the Bucks and Cody show for the last 2 years and they have a lot of connections in there and can take possibly take people with them when they leave. Been a problem for ROH over the last 2 years not taking measures to replace guys leaving like when Cole and O Reily left and now Cody and Bucks leaving who they gave the kingdom too. Add on NJPW not really giving them the time of day anymore and they are hurting
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 16, 2018 17:40:33 GMT -5
Honestly I think in New Japan and ROH you can even see the big differences in how the companies have used them. New Japan treated The Bucks often as special attractions more than anything else; bring them in for big shows, big tours, let them be there and drawing eyes, but never who the show is built around. Even if Kenny does leave with them to form AEW, the amount of effort they put into making him a star was not so all-encompassing and so complete that there's nobody left to take up the mantle. New Japan has done a good job of keeping their whole card important and credible enough that they can lose all those dudes right now including their current world champion, and they will be fine. Maybe some people won't tune in anymore because there's no Bucks, but they've made the arrangement mutually beneficial and have drawn more eyes by letting those guys in and letting them do their thing. They'll still have Okada, still have LIJ, still have a ton more people ready to step up and fill those spaces the same way Kenny stepped up to fill for AJ who came in to fill for Finn. There's vast swaths of the fanbase for whom Bullet Club isn't even the top draw or point of interest and those fans are going to be there when this is all over. In contrast, it doesn't feel like ROH has very much going for it without The Elite. It's not at all helped by the fact WWE keeps poaching all the top talent and even lots of not so great guys like Punishment Martinez, but I think ROH really went in way too hard on overcompensating for those hirings by trying to go all in on the Bucks as hard as they could. They were the only people unlikely to leave them, but they went in so hard that I'm amazed one of them didn't get a world title run out of it a la the Briscoes. There's a huge hole left for them to try and fill now, and even among the people they still have going for them you have dudes like Marty and Flip who have question marks over their heads as far as if they're going to try and get out of their contracts to make the move over to AEW too. You have loyalists like Jay Lethal who ain't it anymore and The Briscoes who are basically a hand grenade waiting to go off again. ROH is going to be in for a nightmare of a time when The Bucks are gone and I don't at all blame them for that, I blame ROH for not knowing how to handle it properly and have another plan. Yeah NJPW will not miss Cody or the Bucks. Bucks haven’t been used as much over the last 2 years while Cody has been used sparingly but he was never going to have an AJ Styles type Renaissance there as his style doesn’t work. Also add on Bullet Club itself being far less value than it was and you aren’t missing anything. Hell, if Kenny leaves they have Jay White waiting in the wings to take the Gaijin top spot ROH is going to miss them badly tho. It’s been the Bucks and Cody show for the last 2 years and they have a lot of connections in there and can take possibly take people with them when they leave. Been a problem for ROH over the last 2 years not taking measures to replace guys leaving like when Cole and O Reily left and now Cody and Bucks leaving who they gave the kingdom too. Add on NJPW not really giving them the time of day anymore and they are hurting What am I missing with Jay White? I mean, he seems OK enough and all, but the idea of him as a can't-miss megastar just isn't connecting with me at all. And the whole idea of "he's SUPPOSED to come off as inauthentic" is just too meta for me to invest in.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 16, 2018 18:31:04 GMT -5
I dunno how y’all can hate on this dude so much Easily Phantom Pain was 100% Ass.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 16, 2018 18:52:28 GMT -5
I dunno how y’all can hate on this dude so much Easily Phantom Pain was 100% Ass. Yeah, I'd rather look at Brandi dressed as The Boss anyway.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 16, 2018 20:01:49 GMT -5
Yeah NJPW will not miss Cody or the Bucks. Bucks haven’t been used as much over the last 2 years while Cody has been used sparingly but he was never going to have an AJ Styles type Renaissance there as his style doesn’t work. Also add on Bullet Club itself being far less value than it was and you aren’t missing anything. Hell, if Kenny leaves they have Jay White waiting in the wings to take the Gaijin top spot ROH is going to miss them badly tho. It’s been the Bucks and Cody show for the last 2 years and they have a lot of connections in there and can take possibly take people with them when they leave. Been a problem for ROH over the last 2 years not taking measures to replace guys leaving like when Cole and O Reily left and now Cody and Bucks leaving who they gave the kingdom too. Add on NJPW not really giving them the time of day anymore and they are hurting What am I missing with Jay White? I mean, he seems OK enough and all, but the idea of him as a can't-miss megastar just isn't connecting with me at all. And the whole idea of "he's SUPPOSED to come off as inauthentic" is just too meta for me to invest in. I buy the hype in him. Him being called NJPW best prospect since Okada I think isn’t far fetched. He’s grown greatly this year from his shakey match with Tanahashi at WK to getting more well rounded as a character while also not getting the credit for him being a good wrestler NJPW Def feel like he is getting it fast otherwise I don’t think they blow through this match between him and White so fast. He’s young and will only continue to get better
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Dec 16, 2018 21:28:16 GMT -5
Yeah NJPW will not miss Cody or the Bucks. Bucks haven’t been used as much over the last 2 years while Cody has been used sparingly but he was never going to have an AJ Styles type Renaissance there as his style doesn’t work. Also add on Bullet Club itself being far less value than it was and you aren’t missing anything. Hell, if Kenny leaves they have Jay White waiting in the wings to take the Gaijin top spot ROH is going to miss them badly tho. It’s been the Bucks and Cody show for the last 2 years and they have a lot of connections in there and can take possibly take people with them when they leave. Been a problem for ROH over the last 2 years not taking measures to replace guys leaving like when Cole and O Reily left and now Cody and Bucks leaving who they gave the kingdom too. Add on NJPW not really giving them the time of day anymore and they are hurting What am I missing with Jay White? I mean, he seems OK enough and all, but the idea of him as a can't-miss megastar just isn't connecting with me at all. And the whole idea of "he's SUPPOSED to come off as inauthentic" is just too meta for me to invest in. I'm right there. I get that "shitty, phony edgelord" is his gimmick, but....it's a f***ing terrible gimmick. And honestly, his work isn't nearly enough to make up for it.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 17, 2018 16:28:46 GMT -5
2 things. 1) It's a generic click bait title. Getting upset about it is a waste of energy. 2) The Elite aren't really helping ROH. They're helping the Elite more than anyone else. ROH is a means to an end for them. If they were all about helping ROH then none of this "will they won't they" elite wrestling promotion thing would be out there. ROH does business. The Elite play games. Yeah, but you have to in that industry. After all, wrestling fans ARE fickle, and one can go from being "The Hottest Thing in the Industry" to Yesterday's News pretty quickly. Better to use one's hotness to try and get the best deal possible for themselves in the long run. I don't blame Cody and the Bucks a bit for playing the game. I mean, yeah, ALL IN did really well, but how long can that go, realistically? It was built on the back of a super hot act, but that act can cool mighty quickly when a new hot act comes along. This is kind of the apex of the whole Elite/Bullet Club thing, and Cody and The Bucks are pretty damn smart to try to get the most out of it that they can before it dries up. If anything, ROH was kind of stupid for placing all their chips on the NJPW/Bullet Club shit in the first place. They should have used their involvement to help build their own hot acts, but instead they went ALL IN on this whole deal, and are now going to pay the price for it, as that's really all they have at this point. Yeah, they still have some good wrestlers, but so does everyone else. Having five star matches doesn't mean what it used to in an industry more driven around work rate than it was even 5 years ago. People have grown desensitized to it. And at the same time, The Elite don't owe ROH anything, as, yes, they did make ROH a hell of a lot hotter than they would have been without them. It's ROH's fault for not truly capitalizing on it with the rest of their roster. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Elite and truly admire everything they’ve done. But it’s so hard not to roll eyes anytime you see say, Cody, to fit this example, act indignant when he’s called out for being as opportunistic as he is. I feel especially bad for ROH here because they bent over backwards to help them get All In off the ground. So to read Vody here act as if he was the charitable part of relationship is insinscere to say the least. That said ROH also shouldn’t have put all their eggs in the Elite basket. But that’s an argument for another day.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2018 21:24:32 GMT -5
What am I missing with Jay White? I mean, he seems OK enough and all, but the idea of him as a can't-miss megastar just isn't connecting with me at all. And the whole idea of "he's SUPPOSED to come off as inauthentic" is just too meta for me to invest in. I buy the hype in him. Him being called NJPW best prospect since Okada I think isn’t far fetched. He’s grown greatly this year from his shakey match with Tanahashi at WK to getting more well rounded as a character while also not getting the credit for him being a good wrestler NJPW Def feel like he is getting it fast otherwise I don’t think they blow through this match between him and White so fast. He’s young and will only continue to get better I like Jay well enough, but I think that like Kenny Omega when he was trying to fill AJ's shoes, initially, he sometimes looks like he's cosplaying a badass heel, rather than actually making me buy it. That takes time, though, and I'm willing to be patient for him to grow into the role, but I get it when people don't believe in him quite yet. I still think his match with Breeze, despite some weird decisions (banning the cast, which ended up not even playing into the finish, saying they'd DQ Tyler if he uses it, but the ref not DQing a shitload of other stuff to where even the announcers were audibly baffled and frustrated, the weird JR spot, and some other quibbles) is probably his best outing of actually looking like a sadist in the ring. Between him and ZSJ, I think the latter is looking a little more like he belongs with the major players, but I think Jay's making progress. I am sure a year or two of seasoning is going to make a major difference. I don't forget that Okada wasn't where he was now when they first had him mixing it up with Tanahashi, and I remember threads with people talking about how formulaic Okada was, or that the Rainmaker was a shitty finisher, etc. But he rose to the occasion when Gedo kept molding him and was patient with his growth. Jay might get there, too.
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Post by corndog on Dec 21, 2018 3:00:29 GMT -5
The stretches some of you are making to downplay the importance of everything Cody and the Elite have accomplished would make contortionists jealous. Also, I hate to break it to everyone, but wrestling is a business, just like anything else. No matter how you slice it, ROH and NJPW are responsible for making sure all of their eggs are not in one basket, because for one reason or another, the Elite train was going to break down on them eventually. All this talk about the Elite "using" those companies is the most immature example of not understanding business I have ever seen. The Elite's job is to make themselves huge stars, and they have. ROH and NJPW's jobs are to make sure they have something to replace them when the time comes for them to move on, and they haven't done that. That's on them. Nobody would ever look at a guy who leaves Harris Teeter to work at Bi-Lo for more money and better hours and say "Oh, he's an asshole, he just used Harris Teeter to get to the big Bi-Lo money." That sounds completely f***ing ludicrous, and it sounds even dumber once you factor in the kind of money and positioning we're talking about with the Elite. I accept that some of you are never going to give up on the "Cody sucks" narrative, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary including the Internet Messiah Meltzer giving his matches great ratings, and I know you're going to fault the Elite for being successful, but could you at least not talk like what you're saying is reality? As others have said, New Japan has done a great job of preparing for life after the Elite and I don't think they will lose a beat, in fact they may get better because they will be committed to full time talent and their talent roster is already very top heavy. ROH on the other hand is in trouble, despite the fact that they are owned by a very large and successful company. As far as Cody is concerned, I personally have mixed feelings on him. On one hand, he was completely floundering before he went to the Bullet Club. If he hadn't joined up with the Elite, I think he would have went back crawling to WWE, because his indy run was an absolute bust. His "dream matches" weren't that good and it wasn't enough to sustain him for very long. However, in joining the Bullet Club/Elite, he has made the most out of the situation, reaching it's pinnacle with the success of "All In". His character work has been very strong and his in ring work has improved greatly in the last year. However I really don't like how he takes a jab at New Japan/ROH's MSG show here. Go ahead, start the new company, hopefully it's good, but after how well you were pushed and treated by New Japan/ROH, there is no reason to make burial statements.
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