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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 12:41:18 GMT -5
It's situations like this which make me wish we had a credits to each show so we can see who's the official to each match because I wanna know too. I hope it wasn't Mercury due to his closeness to the Shield because he should have known better. Every once in a while a script for the show leaks. I wanna see the script to this one. Joey's been out of WWE for some time. Jamie Noble's still in it seems so I wonder if it's him. He was seen helping Rollins a few months ago so, who knows. We'll find out this week hopefully. I'm curious.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 18:29:57 GMT -5
Honestly, yeah, I'm putting a major part of the blame on Rollins and Ambrose.
Booking can only excuse so much and it's pretty damn consistent that Rollins is absolutely awful at selling - since he really is bad at telling stories to begin with, so it just amounts to injecting occasional stopping to wince in the middle of otherwise unchanged spotfests - and I've been under the opinion Ambrose is very limited in the ring for a long time now. Plus while these two've had some great matches before like the lumberjack one, they've also had some pretty shit ones before like the Money in the Bank 2015 one.
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Post by stevec484 on Dec 17, 2018 20:59:55 GMT -5
terrible. for all this talk of what a great worker Seth is he sure is consistent in putting on shit matches and promos Yeah i can count the amount of good Nash matches on one hand. Horseman parody is the only promo i can remember from him. but can Rollins do this
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Dec 17, 2018 21:01:32 GMT -5
Or this?
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Post by benstudd on Dec 17, 2018 22:54:18 GMT -5
Love Dean. Can’t get into Seth, but I know he’s in his spot for a reason. I didn’t watch the show, but when I heard this match didn’t have a gimmick, it should have either ended in a double count out or double DQ. If they wanted to keep playing cat and mouse, they could have saved this finish for the Rumble. Same. I didn't watch the match and cannot for the life of me understand the idea behind it. The beginning of a supposed hated heated rivalry between two former friends. The heel beat the other clean and win the championship. Might as well put the kibosh on it. I am speachless. When Dean turned I thought that's great, they can keep on it till Mania where they have their blow off. Now it's pointless. it's already dead.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 17, 2018 23:10:04 GMT -5
Yeah i can count the amount of good Nash matches on one hand. Horseman parody is the only promo i can remember from him. but can Rollins do this Did Nash catch that cup from the stands?
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Post by stevec484 on Dec 17, 2018 23:25:35 GMT -5
but can Rollins do this Did Nash catch that cup from the stands? oh hell yeah
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 0:49:12 GMT -5
I think tonight was a good show for their feud compared to most of the other nights. Ambrose kept the story rolling, had a match against a face, Rollins did his sneaking thing, good. The big thing here is that there was no mention towards Reigns, germs, just kept it simple and right now given the damage done I think it's best to keep it simple for now. Ambrose can keep his cleanliness thing like with the gas masks and all that but he doesn't have to bring it up each show.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 1:45:36 GMT -5
If the match was a dud because of a dopey agent then questions have to be asked as to why both wrestlers didn't over rule him. The shield boys are known to have backstage pull and Ambrose in particular is known for trying to have his character react appropriately given his motivations.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 1:54:53 GMT -5
If the match was a dud because of a dopey agent then questions have to be asked as to why both wrestlers didn't over rule him. The shield boys are known to have backstage pull and Ambrose in particular is known for trying to have his character react appropriately given his motivations. That's apparently from tonight's Raw so chances are Noble's been the guy who's done the stuff for this feud. Vince is hands on with this feud too so you have that, the fact the producer is Noble who's close with them and you get what we saw. Guys, even guys with pull, can't overrule producers if it's something like that.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 18, 2018 7:16:02 GMT -5
terrible. for all this talk of what a great worker Seth is he sure is consistent in putting on shit matches and promos Here's my theory. He's kind if like Bret. If he's not really feeling it he's going to nail it in.
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Post by abjordans on Dec 18, 2018 12:45:48 GMT -5
I have never thought either one of these guys had a super strong, personal connection with the crowd, and just aren’t really that over. So, that is why they get reactions with other, more over guys- but against each other it is usually pretty meh. Also, Ambrose just isn’t that good in the ring and Seth Rollins can do some cool moves and highspots, but this match needed high WWE style drama and psychology. There was none of that. The match did not fit the story at all. It also came right after AJ/Bryan, guys that can do spots and psychology so it looked even worse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 18:21:23 GMT -5
Crazy that the only entertaining part of this feud right now is Corey and Renee going back and forth with each other on commentary.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Dec 19, 2018 18:23:01 GMT -5
Brad Shepard of the Oh, You Didn’t Know podcast discussed the backstage reaction to Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose at WWE TLC and here is what Shepard said courtesy of RingsideNews.com:
“Internal reaction on Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose at TLC. I asked a source in the company about this. They said that Seth and Dean was a ‘flop’ and believe fans are over The Shield stuff. In fact, they went on to rant on the treatment of Seth Rollins and how him beating Hunter at WrestleMania was a ‘massive waste of time’ and wasn’t nearly the making of a star that they thought it was.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 18:29:04 GMT -5
Brad Shepard of the Oh, You Didn’t Know podcast discussed the backstage reaction to Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose at WWE TLC and here is what Shepard said courtesy of RingsideNews.com: “Internal reaction on Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose at TLC. I asked a source in the company about this. They said that Seth and Dean was a ‘flop’ and believe fans are over The Shield stuff. In fact, they went on to rant on the treatment of Seth Rollins and how him beating Hunter at WrestleMania was a ‘massive waste of time’ and wasn’t nearly the making of a star that they thought it was.” I don't blame them if true. All three are great together, but they've had very little room to breathe on their own. The reunion last year wasn't bad, but it felt like three middle aged dads getting the band back together at their HS reunion more than anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 18:32:43 GMT -5
They focused this feud on The Shield, Roman's leukemia and their history rather than making it a legit feud. Yeah, I said it before that Rollins was hurt by that Triple H stuff and honestly they've really hurt these guys. Ambrose's best stuff as a single's guy was his SDL Kingpin Era stuff where he went against Styles, Cena, Corbin and his midcard stuff years ago when he went against Owens, Harper and others. Seth's best stuff was when he was against Cena, everything else he's done is Shield related.
Basically, they f***ed these guys up by always bringing up The Shield, Roman and rather than making it a new feud they keep continuing on. Ambrose is a great example of someone who does well when he moves on to other stuff. Rollins not so much since he's rarely moved on.
They gotta get this feud outta the way and give them something to sink their teeth into. Honestly, I don't even wanna see the Ambrose/Reigns stuff if they bring up The Shield. Just bring up Roman and Ambrose's real life friendship, don't mention the Shield. That's all you need.
That Rollins comment though, Meltzer and Alvarez themselves made it seem as though Seth was more damaged than Dean to a degree so we'll see what happens with him. Sad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 18:36:00 GMT -5
Brad Shepard of the Oh, You Didn’t Know podcast discussed the backstage reaction to Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose at WWE TLC and here is what Shepard said courtesy of RingsideNews.com: “Internal reaction on Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose at TLC. I asked a source in the company about this. They said that Seth and Dean was a ‘flop’ and believe fans are over The Shield stuff. In fact, they went on to rant on the treatment of Seth Rollins and how him beating Hunter at WrestleMania was a ‘massive waste of time’ and wasn’t nearly the making of a star that they thought it was.” Well, I suppose that’s what the rumored Brock/Seth feud at Mania is going to do. You want to make new stars? Have Seth slay the beast and be known as the only guy besides Triple H and Goldberg who put down Brock in his first singles match with Brock for the Universal title. It sure as hell beats the other rumored superpush of heel Drew standing tall with the belt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 18:39:17 GMT -5
They focused this feud on The Shield, Roman's leukemia and their history rather than making it a legit feud. Yeah, I said it before that Rollins was hurt by that Triple H stuff and honestly they've really hurt these guys. Ambrose's best stuff as a single's guy was his SDL Kingpin Era stuff where he went against Styles, Cena, Corbin and his midcard stuff years ago when he went against Owens, Harper and others. Seth's best stuff was when he was against Cena, everything else he's done is Shield related. Basically, they f***ed these guys up by always bringing up The Shield, Roman and rather than making it a new feud they keep continuing on. Ambrose is a great example of someone who does well when he moves on to other stuff. Rollins not so much since he's rarely moved on. They gotta get this feud outta the way and give them something to sink their teeth into. Honestly, I don't even wanna see the Ambrose/Reigns stuff if they bring up The Shield. Just bring up Roman and Ambrose's real life friendship, don't mention the Shield. That's all you need. That Rollins comment though, Meltzer and Alvarez themselves made it seem as though Seth was more damaged than Dean to a degree so we'll see what happens with him. Sad. I can only speak for myself and my own preferences, but while Seth isn't getting the same reactions he got in the summer now, him vs. Brock at WM still sounds really interesting. Feud's a big time bust right now, but I feel like if you give them both something else to do things will be back to normal again. An Ambrose/Balor feud is something I'd really like to see, plus Dean has given Braun two of his better singles matches to date so that'd be another cool feud.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 18:40:44 GMT -5
Brad Shepard of the Oh, You Didn’t Know podcast discussed the backstage reaction to Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose at WWE TLC and here is what Shepard said courtesy of RingsideNews.com: “Internal reaction on Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose at TLC. I asked a source in the company about this. They said that Seth and Dean was a ‘flop’ and believe fans are over The Shield stuff. In fact, they went on to rant on the treatment of Seth Rollins and how him beating Hunter at WrestleMania was a ‘massive waste of time’ and wasn’t nearly the making of a star that they thought it was.” Well, I suppose that’s what the rumored Brock/Seth feud at Mania is going to do. You want to make new stars? Have Seth slay the beast and be known as the only guy besides Triple H and Goldberg who put down Brock in his first singles match with Brock for the Universal title. It sure as hell beats the other rumored superpush of heel Drew standing tall with the belt. All Seth needs to do is wrestle his ass off for months. Just have him lose to Ambrose again and go through a "I'm a great wrestler dammit this won't stop me" arc and he'll be ready for Lesnar. The best example of this is that gauntlet match he did last year where he beat Cena and Reigns in one night. If he can pull out an amazing Rumble performance, say lasts the longest time, eliminates Ambrose (who's been taking out multiple guys), eliminates McIntyre, Corbin, just does a lot and then wins? He'll be good. They focused this feud on The Shield, Roman's leukemia and their history rather than making it a legit feud. Yeah, I said it before that Rollins was hurt by that Triple H stuff and honestly they've really hurt these guys. Ambrose's best stuff as a single's guy was his SDL Kingpin Era stuff where he went against Styles, Cena, Corbin and his midcard stuff years ago when he went against Owens, Harper and others. Seth's best stuff was when he was against Cena, everything else he's done is Shield related. Basically, they f***ed these guys up by always bringing up The Shield, Roman and rather than making it a new feud they keep continuing on. Ambrose is a great example of someone who does well when he moves on to other stuff. Rollins not so much since he's rarely moved on. They gotta get this feud outta the way and give them something to sink their teeth into. Honestly, I don't even wanna see the Ambrose/Reigns stuff if they bring up The Shield. Just bring up Roman and Ambrose's real life friendship, don't mention the Shield. That's all you need. That Rollins comment though, Meltzer and Alvarez themselves made it seem as though Seth was more damaged than Dean to a degree so we'll see what happens with him. Sad. I can only speak for myself and my own preferences, but while Seth isn't getting the same reactions he got in the summer now, him vs. Brock at WM still sounds really interesting. Feud's a big time bust right now, but I feel like if you give them both something else to do things will be back to normal again. An Ambrose/Balor feud is something I'd really like to see, plus Dean has given Braun two of his better singles matches to date so that'd be another cool feud. It's easy to have people have Ambrose given the type of character he is so he'll be good. Ambrose/Balor, Ambrose/Elias, Ambrose/Wyatt, Ambrose/Strowman, there's a lot of guys he can do well against. He'll be good. Rollins is a more difficult case. I think he's just gotta wrestle it out and then have the fans latch onto him again because in his entire main roster career that's what's worked for him. We became fans of his in the Shield due to his in-ring skills, we liked him as a heel because he could go well in the ring, we liked him in that gauntlet match due to his in-ring skills, he's gotta go back to that.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 19, 2018 18:46:36 GMT -5
If I had to guess, they’re probably gonna wait until the Rumble to see if Seth can rebound or if he’s a fumble by now. Who knows. I still think he’s a better choice than Finn..and really who else is there right now to face Brock? Maybe AJ.
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