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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 20, 2018 22:29:08 GMT -5
It might be fictional, but the story still needs to be told in a way that makes sense. Nothing inherently unbelievable with Jinder Mahal, world champion. How he was put in that spot from out of nowhere after being a goober for the longest time just didn't work though. Finn's not Jinder. Finn has never been treated as a jobber let alone a Career Jobber. Finn has been able to go toe to toe and beat AJ Styles like a week before he became the World Champion. He's always been featured if not necessarily doing anything important, and most importantly the crowd has always been behind him regardless of how little they do with him. Also, regardless of the shoot circumstances behind it, he has a clean pinfall win over Roman Reigns. And he didn’t even have the demon paint boost for that.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 20, 2018 22:29:54 GMT -5
Honestly there’s no way he’d be believable against Lesnar, and I’m not saying this because of size but because of the way he’s been booked the last couple years. Seth is a much better option for that. Ambrose vs Balor? Sure Also If Ambrose loses to Finn at mania he better get a big world title like win at mania 36, even as a heel
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 20, 2018 22:31:56 GMT -5
Finn's not Jinder. Finn has never been treated as a jobber let alone a Career Jobber. Finn has been able to go toe to toe and beat AJ Styles like a week before he became the World Champion. He's always been featured if not necessarily doing anything important, and most importantly the crowd has always been behind him regardless of how little they do with him. Also, regardless of the shoot circumstances behind it, he has a clean pinfall win over Roman Reigns. And he didn’t even have the demon paint boost for that. Yeah, I was going for more recent stats but there is that too... in the middle of Roman and Brock are the only ones that matter Finn has a pinfall victory over Roman.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 20, 2018 22:33:21 GMT -5
If we go by any standard of "believable beating Brock through their past booking" then nobody is credible enough to beat Brock, because Brock can effortlessly swat away a dude like Braun like he's a fly, and Braun went over the entire Raw tag division twice this year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 22:33:50 GMT -5
It would be a great story. Ambrose can beat base Balor, just do the whole mind games thing with him and all but then the Demon comes out and Ambrose becomes the guy being played with. He then loses to Demon Balor on a big stage like WM. “You’ve been fighting the demons in your mind all your life, time to fight one in the flesh.” That's a great line that I can easily see them using.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 0:04:18 GMT -5
Eh, sure, fine. I still find Finn a little dull but he doesn't actively turn me off.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 21, 2018 1:45:23 GMT -5
New era or not, WWE has always been about characters and promos, and Finn is not a great promo by any stretch.
He can be the best pure wrestler in the world, without that character and promo ability the WWE will never make him #1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 5:57:28 GMT -5
New era or not, WWE has always been about characters and promos, and Finn is not a great promo by any stretch. He can be the best pure wrestler in the world, without that character and promo ability the WWE will never make him #1 I dunno, they've been pushing Reigns for the past few years and by and large he is a genuinely awful speaker. And for that matter they were apparently all-in on Seth until Sunday and he's even worse.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 21, 2018 6:08:55 GMT -5
New era or not, WWE has always been about characters and promos, and Finn is not a great promo by any stretch. He can be the best pure wrestler in the world, without that character and promo ability the WWE will never make him #1 Thing is, Balor hasn’t really been allowed to tap into what he can do in terms of character. In Japan he cut some awesome promos as an early Jericho, early RVD style character; cocky, totally self assured, and snarky as hell. But in WWE he’s been pouty-faced mythology guy.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Dec 21, 2018 6:14:26 GMT -5
I'm all for this if it's more in line with Real Rock N Rolla than it is with the absolute f***ing nerd babbling on about THE MYTHOLOGY BOOKS and flopping around on the floor.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 21, 2018 8:18:26 GMT -5
I'm all for this if it's more in line with Real Rock N Rolla than it is with the absolute f***ing nerd babbling on about THE MYTHOLOGY BOOKS and flopping around on the floor. Babbling about mythology books and flopping around on the floor is a good summary for my junior year of college.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 21, 2018 8:24:33 GMT -5
I'm all for this if it's more in line with Real Rock N Rolla than it is with the absolute f***ing nerd babbling on about THE MYTHOLOGY BOOKS and flopping around on the floor. Babbling about mythology books and flopping around on the floor is a good summary for my junior year of college. Stay off the damn WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED-UH!
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Post by WWEedy on Dec 21, 2018 8:41:12 GMT -5
It'd also be hilarious and prime "lolWWE", nobody in the history of anyone should believe Balor could beat Lesnar at this point and if they even tease it happening, let alone making it happen, it's the biggest joke in history since "Why'd the Chicken cross the road." It's a fictional story. "lol i can't believe blah blah blah" is the most embarrassing antiquated look at wrestling that holds us back from anything fun. "It's a fictional story" I don't buy into any of them that take logic dives and don't make any sense either. That's like saying some BS fanfic is as valid as War and Peace or that Sharknado tops Schindler's List. Not holding any standard of quality for the things you enjoy is more embarrassing. Stop it.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 21, 2018 9:18:45 GMT -5
It might be fictional, but the story still needs to be told in a way that makes sense. Nothing inherently unbelievable with Jinder Mahal, world champion. How he was put in that spot from out of nowhere after being a goober for the longest time just didn't work though. Finn's not Jinder. Finn has never been treated as a jobber let alone a Career Jobber. Finn has been able to go toe to toe and beat AJ Styles like a week before he became the World Champion. He's always been featured if not necessarily doing anything important, and most importantly the crowd has always been behind him regardless of how little they do with him. Oh yeah, Jinder is just for an illustration of how NOT to elevate someone, and that believability is something different in a wrestling context. It is certainly less of a road to get Balor to be a believable Lesnar challenger. Give him a few good victories before it with a little more intensity in his offense and he'll be dandy. You might not even have to do that, but I think a reminder to the audience that Balor is a force to be reckoned with wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 21, 2018 10:10:23 GMT -5
It's a fictional story. "lol i can't believe blah blah blah" is the most embarrassing antiquated look at wrestling that holds us back from anything fun. "It's a fictional story" I don't buy into any of them that take logic dives and don't make any sense either. That's like saying some BS fanfic is as valid as War and Peace or that Sharknado tops Schindler's List. Not holding any standard of quality for the things you enjoy is more embarrassing. Stop it. Where's my undead MMA enthusiast wizard and his burned up brother? Because apparently that's easier to believe in than Finn Balor dropping from the air feet first into Brock's gut and pinning him.
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Post by chronocross on Dec 21, 2018 10:14:02 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of him, but he's over enough and should at least get another run with the red belt, it's been long enough.
I didn't think I could buy into a smaller guy taking Brock, but his matches with AJ and more recently Bryan have sold me on it especially if Brock gives a shit enough to sell like a madman for the guy.
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Post by WWEedy on Dec 21, 2018 17:46:37 GMT -5
"It's a fictional story" I don't buy into any of them that take logic dives and don't make any sense either. That's like saying some BS fanfic is as valid as War and Peace or that Sharknado tops Schindler's List. Not holding any standard of quality for the things you enjoy is more embarrassing. Stop it. Where's my undead MMA enthusiast wizard and his burned up brother? Because apparently that's easier to believe in than Finn Balor dropping from the air feet first into Brock's gut and pinning him. In a world where there is Undead MMA enthusiast wizards and a dude named Brock Lesnar that can eat them and other nearly 7ft dudes for breakfast? Yeah I'm not putting my money on the beanpole who's only attempt at a gimmick is cosplaying as something from the nether realms yet has no story or much of anything backing it up. Brock could kill him with a cough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 17:59:03 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of him, but he's over enough and should at least get another run with the red belt, it's been long enough. I didn't think I could buy into a smaller guy taking Brock, but his matches with AJ and more recently Bryan have sold me on it especially if Brock gives a shit enough to sell like a madman for the guy. He should at least get a decent run with the IC Title. As for the Finn vs. Brock thing... meh. I don't care at all about how much smaller Finn is, I'll take him as Universal Champ over Brock's lame ass any day.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 21, 2018 18:22:22 GMT -5
It's a fictional story. "lol i can't believe blah blah blah" is the most embarrassing antiquated look at wrestling that holds us back from anything fun. "It's a fictional story" I don't buy into any of them that take logic dives and don't make any sense either. That's like saying some BS fanfic is as valid as War and Peace or that Sharknado tops Schindler's List. Not holding any standard of quality for the things you enjoy is more embarrassing. Stop it. This is a really neat post you've got here complaining about "logic dives" that don't make any sense but then extrapolating the point of "they can easily tell a story where Balor beats Lesnar, their relative size is not as important as the story" to mean "some BS fanfic is as valid as War and Peace".
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 21, 2018 18:56:50 GMT -5
Where's my undead MMA enthusiast wizard and his burned up brother? Because apparently that's easier to believe in than Finn Balor dropping from the air feet first into Brock's gut and pinning him. In a world where there is Undead MMA enthusiast wizards and a dude named Brock Lesnar that can eat them and other nearly 7ft dudes for breakfast? Yeah I'm not putting my money on the beanpole who's only attempt at a gimmick is cosplaying as something from the nether realms yet has no story or much of anything backing it up. Brock could kill him with a cough. See what This Player Hating Mothman said, because I don't see a point in talking about this. Wrestling is supposed to be fun storytelling, not a simulation of "WHO COULD KILL WHO IN A FIGHT BRO".
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