Bryan, Ambrose, Gargano.

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3 beloved babyfaces, 3 heel turns. How you feeling about each so far?

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Bryan's heel turn started off great and is continuing to be great. I wasn't one of the people skeptical about it, I knew it would be dope and thus far it's working out. The best of the 3 thus far.

Gargano's heel turn started off shitty and now he's finally finding himself on the right path. I'm still unsure about it but they've improving with him so that's good.

Ambrose's heel turn is in the same space as Gargano's heel turn in the beginning except people were hyped for Ambrose's turn. Judging this week they seem to have an idea where to go with him so I'll see if he finds himself on the right track like Gargano's. So basically in the beginning it's rocky and now it's time to see if they can keep him on the path he needs to be on.

[Nosnorb]

Ambrose - His best friend is battling cancer, and he almost died this year. Plus he is The Titty Master. Dude should have stayed face.

Bryan - His heel turn has been awesome, though Beastie Boy having him beaten only to pull his shoulders off the mat with Bryan getting in no offense against him before kicking him in the nuts was disappointing.

Gargano - Bitch.

[cabbageboy]

I dunno what I even think of the Gargano heel turn. Something about it doesn't seem quite real. Like I am just waiting for him to lure Tomasso in and turn on him again, go strongly face, and win the title.

The Ambrose turn is easily the worst though. Awful intent, execution, and his big match with Rollins was trash at the PPV. This one is a disaster.

So yeah, I guess Bryan's is best. It doesn't seem like something a WWE champion should be doing though. A guy whining about the environment and carbon footprints, etc. is such a midcard gimmick. It's like when Juice Robinson was CJ Parker in NXT.

[2coldMack is even more baffled]

I didn't WANT a heel Bryan, but he's undeniably great at it, and it's being booked well. Gargano surprisingly sucks as a heel now, contrasting what a smackable prick he was on the indies. And Ambrose...f***, WWE's beaten every level of enthusiasm I have for the guy out of me.

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I've liked the Bryan heel turn from the start. I thought he became just another guy during the Miz feud and now he's been rejuvenated.

The Ambrose turn has been a big time bust so far. It's still early though and I'm looking forward to seeing what he'll do when the Seth feud finally ends.

Haven't been watching enough NXT lately to really have an opinion on the Gargano turn. Loved the match with Black at Takeover.

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Gargano and Bryan should both be faces.

Ambrose turning was the right call. The material has been shit though.

[Fade is a CodyCryBaby]

Bryan -absolutely killing it. Some of his best work, period. Remarkable stuff.

Ambrose - Shit.

Gargano - I don’t watch nxt.

[Derk!]

Indifferent on Ambrose.

Gargano is doing well enough in that, he believes he's in the right, but I prefer him as the never say die face...

D-Bry has been knocking it out of the park, the very second he turned heel. I love it.

[abjordans]

The other 2 are good, Bryan is awesome and the best heel in wrestling. Ambrose I am not feeling and he doesn’t seem to be either.

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Dec 21, 2018 17:17:04 GMT -5 abjordans said:

The other 2 are good, Bryan is awesome and the best heel in wrestling. Ambrose I am not feeling and he doesn’t seem to be either.

It's weird because supposedly he was wanting to go heel again, yet it feels like his heart's not even in it.

[abjordans]

Dec 21, 2018 17:24:37 GMT -5 @dax said:

Dec 21, 2018 17:17:04 GMT -5 abjordans said:

The other 2 are good, Bryan is awesome and the best heel in wrestling. Ambrose I am not feeling and he doesn’t seem to be either.

It's weird because supposedly he was wanting to go heel again, yet it feels like his heart's not even in it.

He didn’t get that spark and kick it into another gear like D. Bry did.

[Chiral]

Gargano's just seems really poorly plotted but it could maybe turn around eventually?? I just don't see it.

Ambrose seemed like a good idea but it's been such a fart pretty much every step of the way.

Bryan's great and the crowd's buying it, but I find his lines are too heavy on the environment/you people stuff.

All three are too close to each other, these beloved face turns heel are starting to feel a bit like:



I feel like none of the brands have really offered up enough hope against them or any good enough face turns or new faces rising up to offset it (maybe Ali can be that for Smackdown?). They all just kinda bum me out which doesn't really invest me in the story.

[Pushed to the Moon]

Bryan has been doing some great character work in promos from what I've seen. Actually changing your style in the ring too is so rare when most heel turns are just the exact same person but they scowl and rag on "you people".

Ambrose's turn has been weird. I like him as a sneering jerk but the segments with the Doctor and gas masks etc have been so odd I don't know what to make of it.

Don't watch the NXT weekly shows so I dunno about Gargz.

[Bang Bang Bart]

The New Daniel Bryan is as close to peak ROH Bryan Danielson as you'll get in WWE and that's just awesome.

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Dec 21, 2018 17:37:50 GMT -5 Pushed to the Moon said:

Ambrose's turn has been weird. I like him as a sneering jerk but the segments with the Doctor and gas masks etc have been so odd I don't know what to make of it.
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That's one thing I don't get about some comments towards this heel turn. I can see why people don't like some of the material and the direction of the angle, I get that and it makes sense but the parts with Ambrose's reactions, movements, how his delivery is, you can tell he's putting as much as he can into pulling it off. Even his in-ring style's changed a bit. The stuff he's doing to pull the turn off works from the look and such.

What isn't really working well are the Vince lines, where Vince wants to take it, that stuff is hard because it's sort of a mesh of ideals. Ambrose has an idea of where he wants his character to go but when Vince tells you something you gotta look at what he says and see if it'll work. The meshing of ideas isn't working well. Like I get where Ambrose is going with this "cleansing" thing, I get what he wants, that's complex to a degree but what Vince wants him to do is break it down into childlike terms like "eww smelly smelly man" and "ewww nasty gross disgusting" and stuff like that. It's weird. When that happens the feud looks worse because it's not consistent across the board.

Ambrose getting out of this feud will do him wonders because Vince will let him breathe a bit like he does for Bryan/Styles. He doesn't really have his hands in that feud's pot like with Shield one. Rollins is going to deal with this until Reigns comes back sadly. That's just how Vince is.

[Bang Bang Bart]

Dec 21, 2018 17:55:46 GMT -5 @kn said:

Dec 21, 2018 17:37:50 GMT -5 Pushed to the Moon said:

Ambrose's turn has been weird. I like him as a sneering jerk but the segments with the Doctor and gas masks etc have been so odd I don't know what to make of it.
.

That's one thing I don't get about some comments towards this heel turn. I can see why people don't like some of the material and the direction of the angle, I get that and it makes sense but the parts with Ambrose's reactions, movements, how his delivery is, you can tell he's putting as much as he can into pulling it off. Even his in-ring style's changed a bit. The stuff he's doing to pull the turn off works from the look and such.

What isn't really working well are the Vince lines, where Vince wants to take it, that stuff is hard because it's sort of a mesh of ideals. Ambrose has an idea of where he wants his character to go but when Vince tells you something you gotta look at what he says and see if it'll work. The meshing of ideas isn't working well. Like I get where Ambrose is going with this "cleansing" thing, I get what he wants, that's complex to a degree but what Vince wants him to do is break it down into childlike terms like "eww smelly smelly man" and "ewww nasty gross disgusting" and stuff like that. It's weird. When that happens the feud looks worse because it's not consistent across the board.

Ambrose getting out of this feud will do him wonders because Vince will let him breathe a bit like he does for Bryan/Styles. He doesn't really have his hands in that feud's pot like with Shield one. Rollins is going to deal with this until Reigns comes back sadly. That's just how Vince is.

I kinda like Dean being supposedly "the only man with morals in WWE" and I like the idea of him having his own Shield-esque faceless gasmask goons.

[One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel]

Daniel Bryan is the only one that's any good right now tbh. Gargano's turn has been indyriffic as hell and Ambrose has been so boring that his segments actively discourage me from watching RAW.

[ayumidah]

Bryan's is fine. Dean's is meh. Gargano's has potential I guess.

[King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler]

Dec 21, 2018 19:27:17 GMT -5 Bang Bang Bart said:

Dec 21, 2018 17:55:46 GMT -5 @kn said:

That's one thing I don't get about some comments towards this heel turn. I can see why people don't like some of the material and the direction of the angle, I get that and it makes sense but the parts with Ambrose's reactions, movements, how his delivery is, you can tell he's putting as much as he can into pulling it off. Even his in-ring style's changed a bit. The stuff he's doing to pull the turn off works from the look and such.

What isn't really working well are the Vince lines, where Vince wants to take it, that stuff is hard because it's sort of a mesh of ideals. Ambrose has an idea of where he wants his character to go but when Vince tells you something you gotta look at what he says and see if it'll work. The meshing of ideas isn't working well. Like I get where Ambrose is going with this "cleansing" thing, I get what he wants, that's complex to a degree but what Vince wants him to do is break it down into childlike terms like "eww smelly smelly man" and "ewww nasty gross disgusting" and stuff like that. It's weird. When that happens the feud looks worse because it's not consistent across the board.

Ambrose getting out of this feud will do him wonders because Vince will let him breathe a bit like he does for Bryan/Styles. He doesn't really have his hands in that feud's pot like with Shield one. Rollins is going to deal with this until Reigns comes back sadly. That's just how Vince is.

I kinda like Dean being supposedly "the only man with morals in WWE" and I like the idea of him having his own Shield-esque faceless gasmask goons.

It would help if Bryan wasn't doing this same kind of gimmick, but a million times better.