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Post by agent817 on Dec 29, 2018 19:58:12 GMT -5
I remember Joe Chemo posters in my school. I was JUST about to post something about this. I found some pictures of Joe Chemo earlier prior to starting this thread. The one that stood was the one with Joe sitting in a hospital bed with the sunglasses in his hands. When I read about Joe Camel earlier, I also must note about how there was an issue with the Marlboro Man. Later on, I remember seeing billboards that had cowboys and it said "Bob, I have emphysema" and another one that said "I miss my lung, Bob."
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 29, 2018 20:29:42 GMT -5
You know what’s worse? Anti-Smoking ads. I’m often tempted to go back to smoking just to spite them.
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Post by agent817 on Dec 29, 2018 20:36:30 GMT -5
You know what’s worse? Anti-Smoking ads. I’m often tempted to go back to smoking just to spite them.
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Post by Goldenbane on Dec 29, 2018 21:11:56 GMT -5
I loved Joe Camel and kinda miss him being around. I thought he was mega cool and it was always fun to see what stupid thing they'd have him doing next with that goofy cigarette hanging out of his mouth. For the record, I've never smoked anything in my entire life. I just can't stand the smell, but I have always found characters who smoked...like Wolverine, The Thing, Preacher, ect, to be some of the coolest characters out there.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 29, 2018 21:20:08 GMT -5
What most of you are forgetting/leaving out is that the controversy wasn't over just Joe looking like a kids' character, but that internal Camel paperwork came to light that showed that they purposely designed the character to "appeal to all ages" and to demographics they weren't getting, aka children.
And yes, at the time, more kids could ID Joe Camel and Spuds McKenzie more often than they could stuff actually aimed at them.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 29, 2018 22:02:29 GMT -5
It was absolutely marketed for children, and a way to get kids to not associate tobacco with things like cancer and death and more like being cool.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 29, 2018 22:36:58 GMT -5
I’m young enough that most of this stuff was being phased out as I was growing up, so all my exposure to advertising like this was through sports. Like just about every Formula 1 team having cigarette sponsorship that ended up being hilariously censored to look like Wingdings whenever they raced in France, England or Germany.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 29, 2018 22:42:13 GMT -5
The tobacco companies are some of the most evil corporations on the planet (which is saying something), and they tried to do any and everything to hook the next generations on their cancer sticks. Joe Camel and other mascots like him may or may not have been able to get kids to smoke themselves, but maybe convince their parents or memories of how cool Joe Camel and the Marlboro Man was stuck in their minds so it'd make them more likely to buy them when they could legally purchase them at 18. Truth is, if they didn't work as advertising mascots, they would've never used them. For real. Philip Morris is a disgusting company. John Oliver's show did a big piece on them and the things they do in poor countries to sell their product. It isn't just poor countries. They specifically market flavored products in stores located near high schools in inner-city communities in the states to this day.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 29, 2018 22:56:08 GMT -5
I remember a less known controversy over beer companies during Halloween using imagery of ghosts and black cats that looked kid friendly for advertisenent.
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Post by hassanchop on Dec 29, 2018 23:10:36 GMT -5
Not the first time cartoons were used on Cigarettes:
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Post by arrogantmodel on Dec 29, 2018 23:24:25 GMT -5
They were really trying to f*** kids up in the 80s. Think about the mascots:
Joe Camel, Spuds Mackenzie, and Mac Tonight.
Trying to get kids to want cigarettes, beer, and fast food.
And am I the only one who associates the Marlboro Man with Don Johnson? lol.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 29, 2018 23:38:12 GMT -5
You know what’s worse? Anti-Smoking ads. I’m often tempted to go back to smoking just to spite them. Truth is funded by... Phillip Morris, the Tobacco company. It's part of the lawsuit lying about the effects of Tobacco they had to put x amount of money into anti-smoking ads. It is not fully unlikely that they are terrible on purpose.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 29, 2018 23:40:53 GMT -5
What most of you are forgetting/leaving out is that the controversy wasn't over just Joe looking like a kids' character, but that internal Camel paperwork came to light that showed that they purposely designed the character to "appeal to all ages" and to demographics they weren't getting, aka children. And yes, at the time, more kids could ID Joe Camel and Spuds McKenzie more often than they could stuff actually aimed at them. Yeah... did anyone start smoking "BECAUSE" Joe Camel told them to... no. But it absolutely was marketed towards them to get brand awareness, so when they thought about cigarettes they thought about Camels.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 30, 2018 0:03:04 GMT -5
You know what’s worse? Anti-Smoking ads. I’m often tempted to go back to smoking just to spite them. Truth is funded by... Phillip Morris, the Tobacco company. It's part of the lawsuit lying about the effects of Tobacco they had to put x amount of money into anti-smoking ads. It is not fully unlikely that they are terrible on purpose. They had to put the money from the lawsuit into a blind trust recently because of this.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 30, 2018 0:08:46 GMT -5
Yeah... did anyone start smoking "BECAUSE" Joe Camel told them to... no. I don't claim to know what caused every single person - billions upon billions over the years - to take up smoking. I've known some who took it up for stupider reasons, so I'm not about to discount that it convinced some kid in Idaho to try them.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 30, 2018 0:13:38 GMT -5
Yeah... did anyone start smoking "BECAUSE" Joe Camel told them to... no. I don't claim to know what caused every single person - billions upon billions over the years - to take up smoking. I've known some who took it up for stupider reasons, so I'm not about to discount that it convinced some kid in Idaho to try them. yeah I guess I should have said "probably not"
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 30, 2018 0:14:52 GMT -5
You know what’s worse? Anti-Smoking ads. I’m often tempted to go back to smoking just to spite them. Truth is funded by... Phillip Morris, the Tobacco company. It's part of the lawsuit lying about the effects of Tobacco they had to put x amount of money into anti-smoking ads. It is not fully unlikely that they are terrible on purpose. Yeah, spite smoking isn't exactly sticking it the Truth campaign like you might think it is.
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Post by agent817 on Dec 30, 2018 1:12:43 GMT -5
Truth is funded by... Phillip Morris, the Tobacco company. It's part of the lawsuit lying about the effects of Tobacco they had to put x amount of money into anti-smoking ads. It is not fully unlikely that they are terrible on purpose. Yeah, spite smoking isn't exactly sticking it the Truth campaign like you might think it is. Thank you for reminding me of the Truth campaign. I remember the commercials with that one asking about non-lethal bullets and the one with him dressed in a suit that was suited for children's entertainers. But before that, there were those ones that some over-the-top commercial parodies, like the "Splode" energy drink that causes people to explode, or that zit cream that caused a girl to catch on fire, etc. Fun fact about the latter commercials: For some reason, Warner Bros. put those ads on DVD releases of some movies from earlier this decade, no matter how old they were. I saw the "Shards O Glass" commercial on the DVD of "The Hangover Part III."
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Post by Cyno on Dec 30, 2018 1:18:02 GMT -5
Truth is funded by... Phillip Morris, the Tobacco company. It's part of the lawsuit lying about the effects of Tobacco they had to put x amount of money into anti-smoking ads. It is not fully unlikely that they are terrible on purpose. Yeah, spite smoking isn't exactly sticking it the Truth campaign like you might think it is. I was just diagnosed with emphysema. Take THAT anti-smoking ads!
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 30, 2018 4:21:05 GMT -5
Joe Camel definitely planted the seed for kids' smoking. While it wasn't "i want to smoke to be cool like that camel," it was the only cartoon character to be used as a cigarette mascot at that time. The rest of the market had cowboys or young people having fun. Camel had a character resembling children's media. Additionally, Camel's advertising on cigarette vending machines was always lower to the floor in the perfect eyeline of children. Joe Camel may have not directly gotten us to smoke, but his existence made certain as kids that Camel was the first cigarette brand we knew. That creates brand awareness, consistency, and a conscious relationship with the product. When looked at in context of the tobacco industry at the time, the outrage was justified. I mean, just basic logic. If it didn't work... why did they put so much money into it for so long? You're not advertising to adults with a cartoon Camel. Despite individual campaigns not working on individual people, advertising DOES work overall, or it wouldn't be a thing.
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