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Post by agent817 on Jan 1, 2019 0:49:00 GMT -5
I feel like a copycat right now after reading the thread about the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films, but here I go. Do people still hold these in high regard? It's been so long since I have watched them and I wouldn't mind doing a marathon as I own them, even though I may have to have nothing to do because those movies are rather long. I know some people have complained about The Dark Knight Rises. I remember catching some of that about a year or so ago on TV and then the bit with Bruce trying to climb out of the prison to make the escape. It dragged out a bit and then came the surprise twist of who the real villain of the film was.
As for The Dark Knight, I know a lot of the praise went towards Heath Ledger's performance as Joker, which he did a good job at, but I feel that some of the praise was because he had died earlier that year.
Regarding Batman Begins, that, too, was something that I haven't seen in quite some time. I am not sure how it holds up now.
So where do you stand with these films?
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Post by DSR on Jan 1, 2019 0:51:56 GMT -5
Begins is one of my all-time favorite films. I love it.
DK was really really good. I know Ledger gets a lot of praise, but I really feel like Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent is severely underrated. He's phenomenal.
DKR was not a satisfying conclusion.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jan 1, 2019 1:14:46 GMT -5
I really enjoyed all three movies. I can’t complain except for the way it wrapped up. I personally wouldn’t have chosen for the trilogy to end the way it did. The movies still hold up and it’s the best superhero trilogy out there. I don’t see it being topped for a long time.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 1, 2019 1:30:38 GMT -5
My answer for the Raimi Spideys applies here too.
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Post by schizo on Jan 1, 2019 1:38:29 GMT -5
Rises is the weakest one. But I love the trilogy as a whole.
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Post by JIMBOB on Jan 1, 2019 1:46:11 GMT -5
Begins is one of my all-time favorite films. I love it. DK was really really good. I know Ledger gets a lot of praise, but I really feel like Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent is severely underrated. He's phenomenal. DKR was not a satisfying conclusion. Eckhart was great as Two-Face. I really think the character deserved his own Batman movie as the villain. I feel he was shoehorned into Rises.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2019 2:02:13 GMT -5
Begins holds up. It has a few issues, but as an origin story it's up there with Iron Man as the best opening chapter to a comic book movie franchise. Dark Knight gets by on the strength of Ledger and Eckhart's performances, but it really falls into the 'comic book movie trying not to be a comic book movie' trap. Dark Knight Rises is pretty much Contractual Obligation: The Movie. It's painfully obvious that Nolan's passion for the trilogy died with Ledger. DK was really really good. I know Ledger gets a lot of praise, but I really feel like Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent is severely underrated. He's phenomenal. I was actually wondering to myself yesterday and was considering posting it as a topic here, but why didn't Eckhart get more higher profile work post-Dark Knight?
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Post by schizo on Jan 1, 2019 2:27:46 GMT -5
Begins holds up. It has a few issues, but as an origin story it's up there with Iron Man as the best opening chapter to a comic book movie franchise. Dark Knight gets by on the strength of Ledger and Eckhart's performances, but it really falls into the 'comic book movie trying not to be a comic book movie' trap. Dark Knight Rises is pretty much Contractual Obligation: The Movie. It's painfully obvious that Nolan's passion for the trilogy died with Ledger. DK was really really good. I know Ledger gets a lot of praise, but I really feel like Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent is severely underrated. He's phenomenal. I was actually wondering to myself yesterday and was considering posting it as a topic here, but why didn't Eckhart get more higher profile work post-Dark Knight? I Frankenstein wasn't high profile enough?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 1, 2019 2:29:48 GMT -5
There's a lot of good in them, but I find I need to be in the right mood to watch them now. They're just too low energy for me now much of the time.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2019 2:40:50 GMT -5
I Frankenstein wasn't high profile enough? I mean, compared to Bale, who in the last decade has starred in a lot of Blockbusters as well as big prestige movies, Eckhart's been largely limited to supporting roles with only one or two lead roles. He's not struggling for work, obviously, but given how good an actor he is I'm surprised he's not at least carved out a better niche for himself.
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Post by DSR on Jan 1, 2019 2:41:08 GMT -5
Begins is one of my all-time favorite films. I love it. DK was really really good. I know Ledger gets a lot of praise, but I really feel like Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent is severely underrated. He's phenomenal. DKR was not a satisfying conclusion. Eckhart was great as Two-Face. I really think the character deserved his own Batman movie as the villain. I feel he was shoehorned into Rises. It felt like DK was setting Two-Face up to be the main villain of the next film and then...RIP.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 1, 2019 3:15:50 GMT -5
DKR was never particularly well received.
Dark Knight is still held up pretty high.
I was never really a big fan of Begins in the first place... I found it kinda boring actually.
But more people do like it more than don't
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2019 3:49:56 GMT -5
DKR was never particularly well received. You say that, but 87% on RT, 78% on Metacritic, A on CinemaScore, and 8.4 on IMDb says the opposite. As weak as it is, it's still pretty beloved. Hell, some critics compared it favourably to Godfather II (as in "TDKR is the Godfather II to TDK's Godfather") and several more ranked it above Avengers as the best comic book movie of 2012.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 1, 2019 4:13:14 GMT -5
Begins is one of my all-time favorite films. I love it. DK was really really good. I know Ledger gets a lot of praise, but I really feel like Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent is severely underrated. He's phenomenal. DKR was not a satisfying conclusion. Eckhart was great as Two-Face. I really think the character deserved his own Batman movie as the villain. I feel he was shoehorned into Rises. I don't know about shoehorned, Dark Knight is totally his story, he's the soul of that film.
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Post by Evil Homer on Jan 1, 2019 4:27:25 GMT -5
I am a die hard Marvel fan, but the Dark knight is my favorite all time super hero movie
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2019 4:34:40 GMT -5
I am a die hard Marvel fan, but the Dark knight is my favorite all time super hero movie As someone who has seen 19 of the MCU movies in the theatre, Begins is probably mine.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 1, 2019 5:15:07 GMT -5
DKR was never particularly well received. You say that, but 87% on RT, 78% on Metacritic, A on CinemaScore, and 8.4 on IMDb says the opposite. As weak as it is, it's still pretty beloved. Hell, some critics compared it favourably to Godfather II (as in "TDKR is the Godfather II to TDK's Godfather") and several more ranked it above Avengers as the best comic book movie of 2012. Most people (not critics) in general that I have spoken to have always mentioned that it was a massive step down from The Dark Knight... and the longer it's been out more and more people have pointed out it's multiple failing as a story and movie... it's similar to The Phantom Menace where the original hype was so strong people talked about liking it after leaving the theater and realizing that... in actuality it really wasn't anywhere near as good as they thought it was.. to a much much lesser extent of course.
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Post by Shark on Jan 1, 2019 5:34:25 GMT -5
I actually look on Rises a lot more favorably now than I did then. I think it's a great look into the psyche of Batman and the problems Bruce has with giving up that life. In terms of telling a story about Batman and that internal struggle he has, I think this movie does a better job with that than any of the other live action movies. I think it has amazing additions to the cast, the only real weak link I felt was Marion Cottiard, but even on repeat viewings, knowing the twist, her character is a little more nuanced than I first thought. I think the movies really should be seen as one massive film. Threads are laced all through the movies and they actually feel like one complete story.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 1, 2019 5:43:20 GMT -5
Bale was phenomenal in The Fighter, and deserved that Oscar 100%.
And for a relatively young Englishman to be playing a spot on Dick Cheney, he deserves another.
The Dark Knight trilogy was loaded with talent, so it should be considered one of the best film franchises.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2019 5:48:46 GMT -5
You say that, but 87% on RT, 78% on Metacritic, A on CinemaScore, and 8.4 on IMDb says the opposite. As weak as it is, it's still pretty beloved. Hell, some critics compared it favourably to Godfather II (as in "TDKR is the Godfather II to TDK's Godfather") and several more ranked it above Avengers as the best comic book movie of 2012. Most people (not critics) in general that I have spoken to have always mentioned that it was a massive step down from The Dark Knight... and the longer it's been out more and more people have pointed out it's multiple failing as a story and movie... it's similar to The Phantom Menace where the original hype was so strong people talked about liking it after leaving the theater and realizing that... in actuality it really wasn't anywhere near as good as they thought it was.. to a much much lesser extent of course. I agree that it's less fondly remembered as time passes and the hype wears off, but it's still incredibly well liked by fans - Empire readers voted it the 71st best movie of all time, it has a 90% audience score on RT, and it's currently #67 in the IMDb Top 250, long after the user ratings have averaged out. The shine has come off, but not too much.
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