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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 1, 2019 11:48:45 GMT -5
I have three major issues with the series.
One, the change in aesthetic between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Gotham in Batman Begins looked perfect. Dirty, run down, scary. The sepia filter added to the mood as well. Then in The Dark Knight, Gotham is now just downtown Chicago and the filter is blue rather than sepia. Looked like a completely different world, which really bugs me.
Two, "John 'Robin' Blake". This was just insulting to fans of any version of Robin. How hard would it have been to just let the cop be named Dick Grayson or Tim Drake? Or even a hybrid like "Tim Grayson"? Still irritates the crap out of me.
Three, and this is the big one, I don't think Christopher Nolan, David Goyer, or Christian Bale understood Batman at all. It felt like they did with Begins, but once again, it all fell apart with The Dark Knight. Here's a guy who spent years training himself to become this protector of Gotham, and then in the second film he spends the entire movie complaining about wanting to quit. That isn't Batman. That would be like a surgeon going to medical school for 8 years, then wanting to retire after performing two surgeries. Batman is a long game for Bruce Wayne.
Now, that stuff aside, there's still some brilliant stuff in the series. I think Begins is near perfect as a Batman film, and holds up just as well today. I also think that Gary Oldman and Anne Hathaway are super underappreciated for the amazing jobs they did with their respective characters.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 1, 2019 12:13:24 GMT -5
Begins is still really fun, and Dark Knight is my favorite live action Batman film. It’s very reminiscent of Heat (1995), but Heat is another of my favorite action movies so of course I’m going to get a kick out of both. I loved how threatening Ledger’s Joker was, and Oldman as Gordon is fantastic through all three films.
Rises has a bunch of problems, too much Bruce moping and not enough actual Batman action namely, but Tom Hardy’s Bane was pretty cool.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 1, 2019 13:05:04 GMT -5
I like that people seem to be warming up more to Begins now, as it's my favourite.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jan 1, 2019 13:08:40 GMT -5
Hated Begins, through The Dark Knight was meh, never watched Rises. I just think the Nolan Batman movies are just not my cup of tea.
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Post by dav on Jan 1, 2019 13:48:26 GMT -5
Really enjoyed the trilogy, although I think Rises gets far too much flack. Tom Hardy did a fantastic job as Bane especially. It was nice for Bruce to finally get a happy ending as well and him leaving the role of Batman has been a recurring point over the years in other parts of the franchise.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 1, 2019 14:15:44 GMT -5
I really liked all three movies, even DKR. Narrative-wise it was kind of all over the place, but I really liked Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle and Tom Hardy as Bane. That first fight scene between Batman and Bane where Bane just kicks his ass while taunting him and then pays tribute to the iconic scene from Knightfall was great, too.
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Post by Captain Patren Fenderbaum-X on Jan 1, 2019 14:43:05 GMT -5
Never really did anything for me I mean they aren't bad movies I just find the trilogy meh and Bale as Batman I have never enjoyed.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 1, 2019 14:43:26 GMT -5
Liked Begins.
Loved Dark Knight.
Can't take Rises seriously enough as it's far too much like Rocky 3.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 1, 2019 16:49:18 GMT -5
It was nice for Bruce to finally get a happy ending as well and him leaving the role of Batman has been a recurring point over the years in other parts of the franchise. I can only recall it turning up in places where it actually made sense, though. In The Dark Knight Returns, it's assumed that he stopped because his body stopped him, but he sits around Wayne Manor going crazy because he NEEDS to be Batman. Very similarly in Batman Beyond, he only stopped because he had a heart attack in his late 50's and had to pull a gun. That's after 30 years of being Batman. It even made more sense in Batman Forver, where he was struggling with his identity after years of sinking deeper into being Batman. Then you have Nolan's Batman, who wants to quit after just a few months based on the official timeline for the series. That's just stupid no matter what. Even if you've never touched a comic, the idea of a guy training for a decade just to quit right away makes no sense.
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Post by agent817 on Jan 1, 2019 17:16:09 GMT -5
It was nice for Bruce to finally get a happy ending as well and him leaving the role of Batman has been a recurring point over the years in other parts of the franchise. I can only recall it turning up in places where it actually made sense, though. In The Dark Knight Returns, it's assumed that he stopped because his body stopped him, but he sits around Wayne Manor going crazy because he NEEDS to be Batman. Very similarly in Batman Beyond, he only stopped because he had a heart attack in his late 50's and had to pull a gun. That's after 30 years of being Batman. It even made more sense in Batman Forver, where he was struggling with his identity after years of sinking deeper into being Batman. Then you have Nolan's Batman, who wants to quit after just a few months based on the official timeline for the series. That's just stupid no matter what. Even if you've never touched a comic, the idea of a guy training for a decade just to quit right away makes no sense. I thought the beginning of The Dark Knight Rises was supposed to take place years after the events of the Dark Knight.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2019 17:22:20 GMT -5
I can only recall it turning up in places where it actually made sense, though. In The Dark Knight Returns, it's assumed that he stopped because his body stopped him, but he sits around Wayne Manor going crazy because he NEEDS to be Batman. Very similarly in Batman Beyond, he only stopped because he had a heart attack in his late 50's and had to pull a gun. That's after 30 years of being Batman. It even made more sense in Batman Forver, where he was struggling with his identity after years of sinking deeper into being Batman. Then you have Nolan's Batman, who wants to quit after just a few months based on the official timeline for the series. That's just stupid no matter what. Even if you've never touched a comic, the idea of a guy training for a decade just to quit right away makes no sense. I thought the beginning of The Dark Knight Rises was supposed to take place years after the events of the Dark Knight. It takes place eight years after the events of Dark Knight. However, the events of Dark Knight was the last time Bruce was Batman. He gave that speech to Gordon about "let them hunt me, because I can take it", ran back to Wayne Tower, and quit being Batman.
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Post by dav on Jan 1, 2019 17:22:29 GMT -5
It was nice for Bruce to finally get a happy ending as well and him leaving the role of Batman has been a recurring point over the years in other parts of the franchise. I can only recall it turning up in places where it actually made sense, though. In The Dark Knight Returns, it's assumed that he stopped because his body stopped him, but he sits around Wayne Manor going crazy because he NEEDS to be Batman. Very similarly in Batman Beyond, he only stopped because he had a heart attack in his late 50's and had to pull a gun. That's after 30 years of being Batman. It even made more sense in Batman Forver, where he was struggling with his identity after years of sinking deeper into being Batman. Then you have Nolan's Batman, who wants to quit after just a few months based on the official timeline for the series. That's just stupid no matter what. Even if you've never touched a comic, the idea of a guy training for a decade just to quit right away makes no sense. He's always been that way though. Animated series has shown a few examples where he was willing to walk away because he was actually happy, even at the very start of his career. In Rises, he stopped because it was believed that Batman just wasn't needed. The mob had been put away and there wasn't anyone like Joker playing silly buggers, the mission was over.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 1, 2019 17:47:03 GMT -5
I thought the beginning of The Dark Knight Rises was supposed to take place years after the events of the Dark Knight. It takes place eight years after the events of Dark Knight. However, the events of Dark Knight was the last time Bruce was Batman. He gave that speech to Gordon about "let them hunt me, because I can take it", ran back to Wayne Tower, and quit being Batman. Exactly. He "took it" by hiding for 8 years. Rises really dropped the ball opening with a retired Batman. They could have just as easily said that Bane beat him because he was worn out after 8 years of being hunted by the police while still operating as Batman.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2019 19:17:30 GMT -5
It takes place eight years after the events of Dark Knight. However, the events of Dark Knight was the last time Bruce was Batman. He gave that speech to Gordon about "let them hunt me, because I can take it", ran back to Wayne Tower, and quit being Batman. Exactly. He "took it" by hiding for 8 years. Rises really dropped the ball opening with a retired Batman. They could have just as easily said that Bane beat him because he was worn out after 8 years of being hunted by the police while still operating as Batman. That and we're supposed to believe Bruce's body is in absolute shambles after 18 months - tops - of Batmaning. Even if it was, are we supposed to believe that a billionaire businessman isn't getting surgery to at least fix his bum knee in the eight years of physically easy living? Like I said, Rises felt like a movie that was written and directed by a guy who was contractually obligated to do so despite clearly losing interest in the project. Consequently everything was half-baked. He wanted an old, jaded, broken-down, Dark Knight Returns-like Batman but didn't feel like going through the hassle of establishing the how and why of it. I had the same issue with the Daniel Craig Bond going from the fresh young rookie 00-Agent in Casino Royale to an old, broken shell just two movies later. It was all unearned.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 1, 2019 20:32:08 GMT -5
The Dark Knight is still an absolutely amazing movie that changed superhero movies forever.
Iron Man came out the same year but Dark Knight legitimized the genre and gave studios the signal that this superhero thing is big big BIG business that can also be taken seriously. It's place in history cannot be overstated. Especially right now.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jan 1, 2019 20:49:02 GMT -5
A question I can't remember the answer to:
"The Narrows is...lost" Did they ever address the fact that Scarecrow apparently managed to destroy a section of the city so bad that the police just wrote it off in either of the two sequels? That's sort of the equivalent if in the MCU, they just decided not to rebuild Harlem after The Incredible Hulk.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jan 1, 2019 20:53:45 GMT -5
Really liked BATMAN BEGINS. Allowed that franchise to rise from the ashes that the Schumacher movies left it in.
THE DARK KNIGHT, is, of course, a great film.
DARK KNIGHT RISES was flawed, but I liked it. Still WAYYYYY better than the Schumacher movies.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 1, 2019 20:57:15 GMT -5
A question I can't remember the answer to: "The Narrows is...lost" Did they ever address the fact that Scarecrow apparently managed to destroy a section of the city so bad that the police just wrote it off in either of the two sequels? That's sort of the equivalent if in the MCU, they just decided not to rebuild Harlem after The Incredible Hulk. To be fair, the MCU cities seem to bounce back pretty immediately. It's only been a handful of years since Avengers and New York looks totally fine lol. I imagine that the Narrows were just filled with scum anyway so it was seen as even more of a lost cause once the fear toxin infected the inhabitants
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 1, 2019 20:59:07 GMT -5
A question I can't remember the answer to: "The Narrows is...lost" Did they ever address the fact that Scarecrow apparently managed to destroy a section of the city so bad that the police just wrote it off in either of the two sequels? That's sort of the equivalent if in the MCU, they just decided not to rebuild Harlem after The Incredible Hulk. Based on the complete change in cityscape between Begins and Dark Knight, one can assume they razed it to the ground and built over it.
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Post by agent817 on Jan 2, 2019 1:02:59 GMT -5
I have three major issues with the series. One, the change in aesthetic between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Gotham in Batman Begins looked perfect. Dirty, run down, scary. The sepia filter added to the mood as well. Then in The Dark Knight, Gotham is now just downtown Chicago and the filter is blue rather than sepia. Looked like a completely different world, which really bugs me. Two, "John 'Robin' Blake". This was just insulting to fans of any version of Robin. How hard would it have been to just let the cop be named Dick Grayson or Tim Drake? Or even a hybrid like "Tim Grayson"? Still irritates the crap out of me.Three, and this is the big one, I don't think Christopher Nolan, David Goyer, or Christian Bale understood Batman at all. It felt like they did with Begins, but once again, it all fell apart with The Dark Knight. Here's a guy who spent years training himself to become this protector of Gotham, and then in the second film he spends the entire movie complaining about wanting to quit. That isn't Batman. That would be like a surgeon going to medical school for 8 years, then wanting to retire after performing two surgeries. Batman is a long game for Bruce Wayne. Now, that stuff aside, there's still some brilliant stuff in the series. I think Begins is near perfect as a Batman film, and holds up just as well today. I also think that Gary Oldman and Anne Hathaway are super underappreciated for the amazing jobs they did with their respective characters. I felt the same way when that happened. I mean naming him RICHARD Grayson or even TIMOTHY Drake would have been good enough. My guess is that someone didn't want there to be any obvious references to who the character is. Even Jason Todd would have worked.
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