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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 2, 2019 6:48:05 GMT -5
Begins is actually my favourite of the three. TDK gets the major love, and it is tremendous, but Begins I like a little more.
Dark Knight Rises is a real mixed bag, some good stuff, some bad, kinda too long and with some questionable narrative choices. It does feel rough that it rushes to the end of Bruce's career, feeling a bit like how the DCEU's Batman V Superman rushes to try to cram unearned moments for Bruce and Kal-El in.
I also just could not take Bane seriously either, despite everything, thanks to his Mr. Kipling voice.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 2, 2019 7:34:48 GMT -5
I also just could not take Bane seriously either, despite everything, thanks to his Mr. Kipling voice. That's something else; I was trying to watch Venom last night, and can someone please tell Tom Hardy enough with the silly voices already? He's a damn good actor, but he's had three or four roles now where he's undermined a good performance with a batshit accent.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jan 2, 2019 8:10:48 GMT -5
My favorite trilogy.
Rises is my favorite of the bunch. Just liked how dark the movie was and enjoyed the feel of the movie. The scene leading up to the stadium getting bombed is one of my all-time favorite scenes.
I’ve really not gotten into any comic book movies since then.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jan 2, 2019 8:15:02 GMT -5
Begins is good DK is great DKR is okay
My main stumble with Rises is once again Bane is treated as a second fiddle to some other villain/organisation, where as in the comics he is the top guy, both the smartest and strongest in the room.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 2, 2019 9:23:45 GMT -5
I have three major issues with the series. One, the change in aesthetic between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Gotham in Batman Begins looked perfect. Dirty, run down, scary. The sepia filter added to the mood as well. Then in The Dark Knight, Gotham is now just downtown Chicago and the filter is blue rather than sepia. Looked like a completely different world, which really bugs me. Two, "John 'Robin' Blake". This was just insulting to fans of any version of Robin. How hard would it have been to just let the cop be named Dick Grayson or Tim Drake? Or even a hybrid like "Tim Grayson"? Still irritates the crap out of me. Three, and this is the big one, I don't think Christopher Nolan, David Goyer, or Christian Bale understood Batman at all. It felt like they did with Begins, but once again, it all fell apart with The Dark Knight. Here's a guy who spent years training himself to become this protector of Gotham, and then in the second film he spends the entire movie complaining about wanting to quit. That isn't Batman. That would be like a surgeon going to medical school for 8 years, then wanting to retire after performing two surgeries. Batman is a long game for Bruce Wayne. Now, that stuff aside, there's still some brilliant stuff in the series. I think Begins is near perfect as a Batman film, and holds up just as well today. I also think that Gary Oldman and Anne Hathaway are super underappreciated for the amazing jobs they did with their respective characters. I suppose Gotham being cleaner fits the story thematically. The real reason it just looks like Chicago the second time around was probably as much a financial decision to save on set decoration/cgi.
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Post by Rican on Jan 2, 2019 9:40:00 GMT -5
Begins is a great origin movie and Scarecrow was an awesome villain. Definitely holds up for me.
Dark Knight for my money is still the best super hero movie as much I love the MCU. Can't say enough about how great Ledger and Eckhart were. I go back to it a few times a year, very entertaining and re-watchable.
Dark Knight Rises is a disappointing conclusion, although Bane was still entertaining. Rises is where I first started becoming more aware of my one issue with Nolan which is that he's awesome at coming up with big ideas and set pieces, and then sometimes can't be bothered to fill in the gaps with small details. HOW DID HE GET BACK TO GOTHAM.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 2, 2019 9:48:34 GMT -5
Begins is great. TDK is great. TDKR is self-indulgent crap.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 2, 2019 9:55:29 GMT -5
Begins is a great origin movie and Scarecrow was an awesome villain. Definitely holds up for me. Dark Knight for my money is still the best super hero movie as much I love the MCU. Can't say enough about how great Ledger and Eckhart were. I go back to it a few times a year, very entertaining and re-watchable. Dark Knight Rises is a disappointing conclusion, although Bane was still entertaining. Rises is where I first started becoming more aware of my one issue with Nolan which is that he's awesome at coming up with big ideas and set pieces, and then sometimes can't be bothered to fill in the gaps with small details. HOW DID HE GET BACK TO GOTHAM. It's because he's...
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 2, 2019 14:38:54 GMT -5
The movies are good, and I even found entertainment with the maligned DKR. On the other hand, I do agree with points made elsewhere..."my" Batman would never want to quit. He'd just keep on fighting crime till he absolutely couldn't. They skimmed over the conclusion of TDK, as someone else said...nothing about him letting the police chase him for Dent's death? Two-Face could have been used for a whole third movie, not Bane. And not enough detective work, as per other live action Batmen.
Also...was it worth it to see WB try to recreate the Nolanverse over and over again with characters that didn't fit? No...though it's not the fault of the movies' quality.
And speaking of voices....no one addressed the other elephant in the trilogy? The one that gargled with salt water mixed with razorblades?
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 2, 2019 14:47:56 GMT -5
I really feel like if they stuck the landing better with Rises, no one would’ve been able to touch the trilogy.
Rises isn’t an awful film but it feels rough and uneven compared to the pretty consistent character development in Begins and the sleek, tightly knit package in Dark Knight.
Plus the whole “Robin” Blake thing was insulting and felt like the writers smelling their own shit just alittle bit. (Comic Rant: Batman has existed for 80 years and didn’t have a Robin for like 3 of those years. Show some respect to the Robin character.)
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 2, 2019 16:37:14 GMT -5
I really feel like if they stuck the landing better with Rises, no one would’ve been able to touch the trilogy. Rises isn’t an awful film but it feels rough and uneven compared to the pretty consistent character development in Begins and the sleek, tightly knit package in Dark Knight. Plus the whole “Robin” Blake thing was insulting and felt like the writers smelling their own shit just alittle bit. (Comic Rant: Batman has existed for 80 years and didn’t have a Robin for like 3 of those years. Show some respect to the Robin character.) Nolan managed to squeeze shitty acting out of Marion Cotillard with that turd of a movie.
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Post by Clutchhausen on Jan 2, 2019 16:40:35 GMT -5
Begins is one of my all-time favorite films. I love it. DK was really really good. I know Ledger gets a lot of praise, but I really feel like Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent is severely underrated. He's phenomenal. DKR was not a satisfying conclusion. 100% agreed.
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Post by dav on Jan 2, 2019 20:01:10 GMT -5
Begins is a great origin movie and Scarecrow was an awesome villain. Definitely holds up for me. Dark Knight for my money is still the best super hero movie as much I love the MCU. Can't say enough about how great Ledger and Eckhart were. I go back to it a few times a year, very entertaining and re-watchable. Dark Knight Rises is a disappointing conclusion, although Bane was still entertaining. Rises is where I first started becoming more aware of my one issue with Nolan which is that he's awesome at coming up with big ideas and set pieces, and then sometimes can't be bothered to fill in the gaps with small details. HOW DID HE GET BACK TO GOTHAM. It's because he's... ... experienced in moving about the world with few resources, has an in-depth knowledge of Gotham and how to move about it and it was shown that sneaking into Gotham by others was perfectly possible? I mean, there are issues with the movie, but that never felt like one of them.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 3, 2019 10:44:44 GMT -5
I feel they got worse as time went on. The first was a good movie with a solid story and good pacing. The second had good performances, but the plot was beginning to stretch itself with how coincidental it was. The third movie was just a bad movie to me, with the plot veering into the awful.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 3, 2019 14:02:21 GMT -5
Nothing will come close to my experience with TDK. I caught it a week early for for free at the IMAX theaters at Universal City Walk. The scope, the breakneck pacing, the multiple peaks, the soundtrack, Heaths game-changing performance, the story. Just, probably, the best theater experience I’ll ever have.
And I loved Begins after the journey that was the Burton and Schumacher films. In fact, of all of them, I probably enjoy watching Begins the most. There’s something about it’s simplicity that keeps pulling me in.
And Rises..well. Rises had a lot of potential. And a lot of cool stuff going for it. But it’s a mess of a film. I still love the last shot though. It’s an excellent bookend for the trilogy.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2019 14:37:02 GMT -5
The Burton movies are superior.
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Post by Woo on Jan 3, 2019 15:49:40 GMT -5
Begins gets better everytime I watch it. One of my 100 favourite films. But the Dark Knight to me is even better.
The Dark Knight Rises isn't very good at all. I couldn't understand what any of the characters were saying and it was just a mess overall.
The good ones still hold up and always will and the bad one doesn't and might only look good when compared tu up what came next.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 3, 2019 17:14:01 GMT -5
The Burton movies are superior. I enjoy them better when I keep in mind that it is Tim Burton's take on Batman. This version doesn't have as big of a problem with killing as some general version of Batman, and this version of Bruce Wayne is a reclusive weirdo. That's fine. Penguin is literally physically monstrous for some reason. Weird, but okay. It is Tim Burton's Batman.
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