Settle it; Batman vs Superman or FANT4STIC

[cosmo]

I’d rather watch BvS on a 24-hour loop than watch that sorry excuse for a Fantastic Four movie ever again. For all its faults, BvS did have some fun moments (I remember the theater I saw it at cheering like their favorite team just won the Super Bowl when Wonder Woman first jumped into the fight against Doomsday), but watching Fant4stic just made me sit for two hours wondering what I was doing with my life.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

Batman vs. Superman was horrid. Fant4stic was awful too but it was a more self-contained awful than the sprawling, franchise-tainting mess that BvS was. BvS actively offended me as a comic book fan.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Fant4stic.

Josh Trank took one of Marvel's most colourful properties and drained ut all colour and life. If being joyless wasn't bad enough, he made the film disjointed and boring, like two bad films chopped up and slapped together. Snyder's superhero films are bad, but at least they're consistently bad .


A rumour circulating at the time is that he really wanted to make Chronicle 2 but couldn't get a studio to fund it, so made it with the F4. I can see that.

[Pgarodactyl]

Fant4stic is worse. I legitimately remember nothing about the movie that made me care even the slightest bit.

At least BvS had Wonder Woman.

[the2ndevil]

Worst thing I can say about Fan4stic is it was a solid Pilot.

It’s just too bad it was supposed to be a movie.

[Cyno]

BvS was just disappointing. FANT4STIC is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

[A Platypus Rave]

I hate almost everything about Batman V Superman especially the theatrical cut...

But it's easily better than Fantastic.

BVS at least has Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman.

Both had pretty far reaching effects... Fox pretty much canceled any ideas for their "Marvel universe" (also probably played into their idea to sell to Marvel with how bad it bombed) and lost like 100 million dollars.

And DC/WB realized that Snyder shouldn't be the guy in charge anymore and they are still trying to right the ship from the damage he caused.

[cabbageboy]

B V S is a baffling, flawed attempt at being a major work. The 2015 FF is a crap, forgettable mess that shouldn't interest anyone. I actually thought B V S was a lot worse in the director's cut. It meandered even more than the theatrical, with all of that political intrigue/Africa subplot dreariness pushed as much.

[Chainsaw]

The real question is, which movie was most off base with it's character development and betrayed the nature of the characters the most?

[Chainsaw]

Jan 10, 2019 0:54:38 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

What's weird is Trank's version might have been interesting had Fox left him alone. It wouldn't have been the FF, and woulda failed on that level, but superpowers as body horror at least would have been something to maintain interest.

I'm honestly amazed that there weren't the same amount of fanboys trying to get Fox to release the Trank cut of F4 like all these morons trying to get a Snyder cut of JL, mostly because, unlike that made-up bullshit, there actually was something to Fox's interference wrecking the movie, even as Trank was exposing himself to be a complete shithead. Probably because no one liked F4 at all. I still have yet to see one person who has defended that turd.

[Chainsaw]

Jan 10, 2019 3:18:22 GMT -5 schizo said:

Fantasic 4 2015 maybe the worst superhero movie of all time. Iam not kidding. Just a bland, boring lifeless movie with nonthing worthwhile about it. It's not even bad enough to laugh at

You know a movie's bad when it makes you wistful for the movies that made Galactus a cloud.

Say what you will about them, the first 2 Fantastic Four movies at least nailed the casting. Jamie Bell as Ben Grimm will never make any sense to me at all in any world. Even if he's mostly CG for the duration of the movie.

[Ultimo Gallos]

Last year I was given a milkcrate full of Blu rays. In it was piles of films I didn't wanna see.

BvS-Never finished,more cause of its length. But it was decent.

Fant4stic-I finished this.....but how come the only good FF film has never gotten a legit release. This chunk of rancid raccoon shit is slightly better than the two with Alba. But was still shit.

[A Platypus Rave]

Jan 10, 2019 15:41:01 GMT -5 Chainsaw said:

Jan 10, 2019 0:54:38 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

What's weird is Trank's version might have been interesting had Fox left him alone. It wouldn't have been the FF, and woulda failed on that level, but superpowers as body horror at least would have been something to maintain interest.

I'm honestly amazed that there weren't the same amount of fanboys trying to get Fox to release the Trank cut of F4 like all these morons trying to get a Snyder cut of JL, mostly because, unlike that made-up bullshit, there actually was something to Fox's interference wrecking the movie, even as Trank was exposing himself to be a complete shithead. Probably because no one liked F4 at all. I still have yet to see one person who has defended that turd.

Trank never really had a chance to build up fans...

Also the Trank cut didn't particularly sound good either... especially considering things he did on set like refusing to talk to Kate Mara and getting in to a fist fight with miles teller.

And Fox's reshoots being so they didn't get sued by Marvel from all accounts.

[SmashTV]

I’ve seen neither film BUT....the fact that the Fantastic Four films have all flopped - whether originally or as reboots - speaks volumes.

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.......well, I saw BvS and never need to see it again, and never saw/never need to see F4.

So BvS I guess.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Jan 11, 2019 7:41:54 GMT -5 SmashTV said:

I’ve seen neither film BUT....the fact that the Fantastic Four films have all flopped - whether originally or as reboots - speaks volumes.

Only one F4 film lost money and can be considered a flop.

The first F4 film was never intended to be released, it was made on a shoestring to cheat Marvel out of regaining the film rights. The contract said the deal would be renewed if a film was made, it didn't say it had to be released, or any good. It dif what the producers intended, it renewed their rights into the 2000s and Marvel paid all the costs of production in return for the film never seeing any sort of release, as they knew it would be devastating to the brand.

The first two Fox F4 films made their money back, including the advertising budget, and a profit to boot. Rise of the Silver Surfer made less profit, so fox hit the breaks on the series to focus on the X films. It underperformed, but wasn't a money losing disaster the way the Tranktastic four reboot was.

[SmashTV]

Jan 11, 2019 8:57:54 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Jan 11, 2019 7:41:54 GMT -5 SmashTV said:

I’ve seen neither film BUT....the fact that the Fantastic Four films have all flopped - whether originally or as reboots - speaks volumes.

Only one F4 film lost money and can be considered a flop.

The first F4 film was never intended to be released, it was made on a shoestring to cheat Marvel out of regaining the film rights. The contract said the deal would be renewed if a film was made, it didn't say it had to be released, or any good. It dif what the producers intended, it renewed their rights into the 2000s and Marvel paid all the costs of production in return for the film never seeing any sort of release, as they knew it would be devastating to the brand.

The first two Fox F4 films made their money back, including the advertising budget, and a profit to boot. Rise of the Silver Surfer made less profit, so fox hit the breaks on the series to focus on the X films. It underperformed, but wasn't a money losing disaster the way the Tranktastic four reboot was.

I stand corrected!

[Deleted]

The weird paradox of Fantastic Four movies for me is I feel like one of the bigger failings with both the Tim Story movies and Fantfourstic is that they never really let them be superheroes... and yet in regards to the comics I think the group is actually at their best when they're not being written as superheroes. Granted that mostly works best when they're more adventurers while the movies kind of just make them bumbling idiots with no clear goal.

[Ryushinku]

Easy pick, Fant4stic was worse.

BvS has some terrible things in it, but it does also have a handful of good action beats and character moments among the muddle.

Fant4stic has the body horror scene where Reed wakes up and discovers everyone's powers, but aside from that, just a forgettable drudge.

[1 Free Moon-Down with Burger]

Jan 10, 2019 15:41:01 GMT -5 Chainsaw said:

Jan 10, 2019 0:54:38 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

What's weird is Trank's version might have been interesting had Fox left him alone. It wouldn't have been the FF, and woulda failed on that level, but superpowers as body horror at least would have been something to maintain interest.

I'm honestly amazed that there weren't the same amount of fanboys trying to get Fox to release the Trank cut of F4 like all these morons trying to get a Snyder cut of JL, mostly because, unlike that made-up bullshit, there actually was something to Fox's interference wrecking the movie, even as Trank was exposing himself to be a complete shithead. Probably because no one liked F4 at all. I still have yet to see one person who has defended that turd.

Ehhh I’d say there’s a lot of smoke to the Snyder cut fire from all the statements from people involved and Snyder himself. Hell, Jason Mamoa confirmed it’s existence.

It’s such a curiosity, I can’t blame people for wanting it released.