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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 19:09:43 GMT -5
Been thinking this for awhile, and I know I'm far from the only one that does this, but I notice I have a certain tendency to overly refer to most of the men by their last names and women by their first names. I feel like the latter approach can come off as overly personable when it's being noticeably done way more than the alternative? I think the only guys I refer to by their first names all that much are the Shield ones, not sure why in that particular case.
It just feels really odd to say, I dunno, "Kassius really blew that spot," or, "They need to push Mustafa," or something while having no trepidation about subbing in the names Sasha and Bianca in their place.
It's probably a holdover from the days where the most complicated names you would get for most women were, like, Victoria and Maria (to be fair still the most practical way to refer to her given she's not the only Kanellis on the roster, and you still have remnants of that like Bayley, Naomi, and them being unable to settle on if Charlotte has a last name or not) but still, it just kind of registers as odd to me once you notice it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 10, 2019 19:11:50 GMT -5
I don't know if I really mind it or not (but I'm leaning "no").
I get why some people would, but ultimately I'm not bothered enough to make a stink about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 19:25:38 GMT -5
I dunno, I find I usually only refer a male wrestler by their last name if it's not immediately clear who I'm talking about otherwise. For example, you know who "Gargano" is, whereas "Johnny" could refer to anyone. But there's only one "Aleister," one "Roman," one "Bray."
This is just when talking out loud mind you. Online I have no consistency whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 19:32:15 GMT -5
With the women WWE cares more about first names than last. I guess so they're more likeable and all that but I mean they did only call Charlotte Charlotte for a while before adding the Flair back. As a fan it makes you feel like you know them when the reality is you don't.
For the guys I often switch depending on who for no real reason. Idk it varies. I do feel like they do the opposite by focusing on last names though. Styles, Cesaro, Rusev, Ambrose, idk if it's on purpose but given it's Vince I wouldn't doubt that he likes the idea of men being called by last names since it feels more "professional" rather than the previous "relatable" with the women.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 10, 2019 19:38:34 GMT -5
Many of the women's entire gimmick names are their first name. The reverse is true for many of the men.
Lana and Rusev. Cesaro. Natalya.
I'm definitely in favour of changing our language to show respect to all, but this is something WWE need to do for us.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 10, 2019 19:46:13 GMT -5
Many of the women's entire gimmick names are their first name. The reverse is true for many of the men. Lana and Rusev. Cesaro. Natalya. I'm definitely in favour of changing our language to show respect to all, but this is something WWE need to do for us. The more I think about this, the more I think it doesn't matter. Personally, I think I tend to use last names more when it's someone whose persona has a higher level of distance/separation from the fanbase. So, an act like New Day, where they're actively being more engaging, I'd be more likely to refer to them as "Xavier" and "Kofi" rather than "Woods" and "Kingston".
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Post by Chiral on Jan 10, 2019 19:58:22 GMT -5
It always super bugged me when Lawler would always just say "John" for John Cena. Especially with the stuff like "These fans booing John definitely can't lift all the weights he can..."
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 10, 2019 20:30:53 GMT -5
I dunno, I find I usually only refer a male wrestler by their last name if it's not immediately clear who I'm talking about otherwise. For example, you know who "Gargano" is, whereas "Johnny" could refer to anyone. But there's only one "Aleister," one "Roman," one "Bray." This is just when talking out loud mind you. Online I have no consistency whatsoever. Lord help us if there were ever two Romans in WWE and they feuded with one another.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 20:37:26 GMT -5
In football this is common.
We don’t say “Lionel scored a good goal.”, we say “Messi scored a good goal.”
In wrestling, it varies for me. I find myself calling the women by their first name... but the men? It sounds weird to say “I can’t wait to see Kevin vs John!”
Examples... I often say “Roman” instead of Reigns. I prefer to say Jinder, Shinsuke, AJ, Braun and Brock over their last names aswell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 20:38:48 GMT -5
It always super bugged me when Lawler would always just say "John" for John Cena. Especially with the stuff like "These fans booing John definitely can't lift all the weights he can..." I legitimately laughed out loud at that one though. It reminded me of the whole “oh they’re just jealous honey” cliche that moms throw around when their kids get bullied.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 22:07:08 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with this whatsoever. Pretty much every wrestler has a single name people refer to them as, and it's almost always, by rule, the same ones their fellow wrestlers use when talking about them. It's Bret and Shawn, not Hart and Michaels. Austin and Hogan, not Steve and Hulk.
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Post by disorganisedchaos v:2 on Jan 10, 2019 23:03:48 GMT -5
It's Adam and Eve, not Cole and Torres.
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Post by Ludwig Kaiser’s Walk on Jan 11, 2019 0:03:38 GMT -5
I just look at it how I have always experienced it.
Just today, a student found out that I had a first name and he was blown away by it. Men are more likely to be called by their last name, while my mom teaches and a lot of people don’t know what her last name is. It’s weird, but that’s how I’ve always seen it.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Jan 11, 2019 0:03:45 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is. This happens a lot where I work. The guys are reffered to by last name a lot of the time, and girls by their first name.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 11, 2019 0:07:17 GMT -5
I dunno, I find I usually only refer a male wrestler by their last name if it's not immediately clear who I'm talking about otherwise. For example, you know who "Gargano" is, whereas "Johnny" could refer to anyone. But there's only one "Aleister," one "Roman," one "Bray." This is just when talking out loud mind you. Online I have no consistency whatsoever. That's how I am. I just call people by whichever name is more identifiable, for lack of a better word. For example, I always shorten Kofi Kingston to "Kofi", which pretty much everyone else does as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 0:13:28 GMT -5
At least with Daniel Bryan, Bryan is both.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Jan 11, 2019 0:14:53 GMT -5
I just wanna know what Kassius did
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 11, 2019 0:18:12 GMT -5
Most of the time I’m not consistent with names or surnames. I find myself calling Charlotte Flair “Flair” a lot because Ric’s not on WWE TV as often anymore. I’ll type out “Seth” or “Dean” when referring to Ambrose or Rollins. But then I call Becky Lynch “Becky” a lot, while I tend to call Alexa Bliss “Bliss”.
I always felt the first-name-only woman thing was cornball. Like Gorgeous Jimmy Garvin gets three names, and she’s just “Precious”. Bleh.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jan 11, 2019 4:54:03 GMT -5
Yeah, my group of friends all call each other by last names, except me and another friend. Mostly because mine is too long and his is too common. Haha.
We also do it a lot in real sports. Everybody knows who you're talking about if you say; Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Crosby, Ovechkin, Curry, and Kershaw.
The women also have to appear as "obtainable." So it's rare to see Lana and Naomi be with their real life husbands. I remember catching a bit of Total Divas, I think, where Jimmy was upset Naomi wasn't wearing her ring. Naomi said that the women have to appear obtainable, so rings and last names don't get used.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 11, 2019 4:57:51 GMT -5
Just depends what's more catchy, I think.
If my gimmick name is Obediah Smith, I'd be pretty put out if I'm just getting called "Smith". Same if I'm called Bob Thunderhammer and I'm getting called "Bob".
Thinking about it, same with my actual name, really, where my first name is more usual and catchy than my surname and it's just be weird to get called by my last unless it's "Mr." before it.
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