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Post by nickcave on Jan 19, 2019 14:08:08 GMT -5
I was reading on Wikipedia that Williams claimed in his book that he was supposed to be the one given Triple H's 99 main event push and that if he wasn't fired he would have been given Triple H's angle around that time. Is this true, was this actually the plan or is Williams working to make himself look better in his book?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 14:15:29 GMT -5
I highly doubt it Dr.Death was brought in to feud with Austin in the summer of 98 and they thought winning the brawl for all would be a great way to build him up as real challenger when he got knocked out they lost interest they kept him off tv for more than 6 months they were gonna repackage him as a masked martial arts expert but he only made 1 appearance in that gimmick.The next week he was just Dr.Death and he was JR’s muscle during his brief heel run for a few weeks and that was it.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 19, 2019 14:18:56 GMT -5
I highly doubt it Dr.Death was brought in to feud with Austin in the summer of 98 and they thought winning the brawl for all would be a great way to build him up as real challenger when he got knocked out they lost interest they kept him off tv for more than 6 months they were gonna repackage him as a masked martial arts expert but he only made 1 appearance in that gimmick.The next week he was just Dr.Death and he was JR’s muscle during his brief heel run for a few weeks and that was it. He claimed in a radio interview six months after he was fired that the episode of Raw where Triple H attacked JR was supposed to be him and that was supposed to kick of his big angle working with Austin. It does sound fishy to me though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 14:24:20 GMT -5
I highly doubt it Dr.Death was brought in to feud with Austin in the summer of 98 and they thought winning the brawl for all would be a great way to build him up as real challenger when he got knocked out they lost interest they kept him off tv for more than 6 months they were gonna repackage him as a masked martial arts expert but he only made 1 appearance in that gimmick.The next week he was just Dr.Death and he was JR’s muscle during his brief heel run for a few weeks and that was it. He claimed in a radio interview six months after he was fired that the episode of Raw where Triple H attacked JR was supposed to be him and that was supposed to kick of his big angle working with Austin. It does sound fishy to me though. It’s not out of the realm of possibility but the fact that after Brawl for All they did nothing with him and he only made 3 or 4 tv appearances after that I have my doubts but fall of 99 was a weird place in WWF British Bulldog was getting a main event push and Al Snow & Val Venis are feuding with The Rock & Mankind. He was JR’s boy so maybe that’s what JR was pushing for and told him.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 19, 2019 14:56:33 GMT -5
Unfortunately for Williams, Jim Ross indirectly ruined him.
JR had been pitching him so much and for so long that Vince bought the hype because of JR’s recommendation and Doc’s resume in Mid South and All Japan, but this wasn’t the same Doctor Death, he was older and with a lot of injuries.
Add to this that the stupid Brawl for All was happening at the same time. Ross made the mistake of constantly saying that Williams was the toughest guy ever and then he got exposed by Bart Gunn.
After getting humiliated and injured in Brawl for All, Vince got tired and decided to repackage Williams as a prototype Lord Tensai...
Williams then left and went to wcw.
Maybe he could’ve gotten a big push in 98 but by 99 he was done in the wwf, Doc is working people in his book.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 19, 2019 14:59:08 GMT -5
I also saw on Wikipedia that part of the reason for him being let go was related to refusing to work an FMW show, I'm assuming this was around the same time that they let Vader and Shamrock have a shoot fight style match for FMW. I'm wondering if Williams refused out of fear of making All Japan mad in case he wanted to go back there.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 19, 2019 15:19:17 GMT -5
I have never really bought all of the “official” versions. Dr Death is much bigger in Japan than he was in the US, particularly for the audience of the late 90’s. I have always believed that there was never any intent of him feuding with Austin, but that JR was a big mark for him who tried to shill the idea backstage. I forget the podcast, but I remember the quote about how when he got KO’d by Bart Gunn that a huge cheer went through the locker room because everyone was so sick of hearing JR go on about “Dr Death this and Dr Death that!”
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 19, 2019 15:37:14 GMT -5
There's really not a place Dr Death woulda fit in higher than he was in the Attitude Era. He was great, but his no frills tough guy character would have appeared totally bland to all the other main eventers.
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Post by Perd on Jan 19, 2019 15:42:18 GMT -5
And, as it turns out, he’s not even a real doctor.
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 19, 2019 17:24:35 GMT -5
I don’t know if the thing about Triple H’s spot is completely accurate, but the plan was to give him a major push after Brawl For All. The push probably would have beeen derailed as he wasn’t a great talker, but JR would have done pretty much anything to get him over and make him vs Austin feel like the biggest thing ever.
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 19, 2019 17:25:46 GMT -5
Prichard says he has no recollection of that being a plan.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 19, 2019 18:42:55 GMT -5
I still to this day don't see how this guy was supposed to be a main event player in 1998.
But anyone who is around my age is sure to remember two things about Dr. Death:
1. "Who the hell is this guy?" in WWF Attitude. 2. All of those Dr. Death figures no one ever wanted sitting in toy stores.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 19, 2019 19:53:17 GMT -5
I still to this day don't see how this guy was supposed to be a main event player in 1998. But anyone who is around my age is sure to remember two things about Dr. Death: 1. "Who the hell is this guy?" in WWF Attitude. 2. All of those Dr. Death figures no one ever wanted sitting in toy stores. Oh my god I remember the figures being EVERYWHERE.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 19:58:51 GMT -5
that was a Hogan level whopper
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 20:18:46 GMT -5
Say what you will about HHH, but "The Game" Steve Williams sounds f***ing terrible. Imagine the McMahon-Williams Regime with Dr. Death as her husband, though.
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Jan 19, 2019 20:45:49 GMT -5
There's really not a place Dr Death woulda fit in higher than he was in the Attitude Era. He was great, but his no frills tough guy character would have appeared totally bland to all the other main eventers. And they already had Dan Severn.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 20, 2019 1:56:50 GMT -5
Steve Williams reputation as being the toughest motherf***er in wrestling was greatly exaggerated by JR, and it came back to bite him in the ass.
Dr Death had some animosity for Ross after the wwf debacle. In a shoot interview, Doc was asked if he was uncomfortable doing the Oklahoma segments that mocked Ross’ Bell’s Palsy, Williams just said that because of Jim Ross he was now crippled for the rest of his life, meaning that it was JR’s fault that he got put on the Brawl for All.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 2:42:54 GMT -5
I try not to believe anything that has to do with dr death and jr as a combo after the horror that was brawl for all.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 20, 2019 2:51:33 GMT -5
I was reading on Wikipedia that Williams claimed in his book that he was supposed to be the one given Triple H's 99 main event push and that if he wasn't fired he would have been given Triple H's angle around that time. Is this true, was this actually the plan or is Williams working to make himself look better in his book? My take on it is that Doc had been presented - by the WWE or just Ross on his own - an angle, and it didn't come to be. Then when the HHH stuff went down, there were enough parallels in it to what Doc had been presented, that he took it at face value that this is how it would have gone down for him had things gone right. Which isn't surprising nor unique to Doc's situation, as Vince and his "Creative" staff over the years often try to reuse old ideas, especially pet project angles that never made it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 20, 2019 3:14:11 GMT -5
I was reading on Wikipedia that Williams claimed in his book that he was supposed to be the one given Triple H's 99 main event push and that if he wasn't fired he would have been given Triple H's angle around that time. Is this true, was this actually the plan or is Williams working to make himself look better in his book? My take on it is that Doc had been presented - by the WWE or just Ross on his own - an angle, and it didn't come to be. Then when the HHH stuff went down, there were enough parallels in it to what Doc had been presented, that he took it at face value that this is how it would have gone down for him had things gone right. Which isn't surprising nor unique to Doc's situation, as Vince and his "Creative" staff over the years often try to reuse old ideas, especially pet project angles that never made it. For example, there’s the story that the same angle was apparently going to be pitched to Owen Hart, but he had his tragic accident at Over The Edge before they had the chance.
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