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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 22, 2019 6:39:19 GMT -5
DDP, around mid 1999. He was over enough, and the whole Hogan/Nash fingerpoke fiasco could have been easily bypassed.
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Post by chronocross on Jan 22, 2019 10:19:32 GMT -5
I am cool with Nash doing it, and even the cheating. It was just a legendarily bad follow up. (Even that, the fingerpoke works for something like when Slaughter tried and failed to sow dissension in D-X, but it does NOT work for your goddamn world title, and at the expense of turning one of your most over faces in Nash at the time) Barring that, I agree to an extent with DDP, but Booker T would have been more interesting if built properly, even if I don't think he truly found his character until the InVasion. The dollar store Rock act was fine, but not what it could be. Sting also could have been decent, or maybe Bret. Depends entirely one what the followup would have been, as obviously neither guy was someone you could build the future of the company around. I agree, I was all for Nash winning at Starrcade 98 as I was a huge Wolfpac fan at the time, the follow up is what soured me on WCW at the time. If they went through with the Hogan/Nash match with no shenanigans or even a Hogan/Goldberg/Nash match where Hogan sneaks in the backdoor and catches one of them in a rollup and gets the title back would not have been that bad, IMO. I would've been okay with DDP ending it as well after two Diamond Cutters
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Post by realist on Jan 22, 2019 10:34:56 GMT -5
At the time, I wanted it to be Chris Benoit, as he could have probably carried Goldberg to the best match of his career and the fans would have bought the grizzled veteran outsmarting the ferocious rookie.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 22, 2019 10:41:26 GMT -5
I think of all the potential candidates from 1998 to 2001 when WCW died, and I'm not sure I'd put any of them over Goldberg, especially not clean. Under the right circumstances, I wouldn't mind seeing a masked Rey Mysterio given a big push where he beats Goldberg for the title, but that was never going to happen. Rey lost his mask a couple of months after they ended Goldberg's streak. WCW never saw the potential in Rey.
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Post by segaz on Jan 22, 2019 12:18:11 GMT -5
I am cool with Nash doing it, and even the cheating. It was just a legendarily bad follow up. (Even that, the fingerpoke works for something like when Slaughter tried and failed to sow dissension in D-X, but it does NOT work for your goddamn world title, and at the expense of turning one of your most over faces in Nash at the time) Barring that, I agree to an extent with DDP, but Booker T would have been more interesting if built properly, even if I don't think he truly found his character until the InVasion. The dollar store Rock act was fine, but not what it could be. Sting also could have been decent, or maybe Bret. Depends entirely one what the followup would have been, as obviously neither guy was someone you could build the future of the company around. I'm cool with the follow up formation of the NWO Elite and Luger joining. One of my favourite moments in WCW. The follow up to that is what killed everything. The follow up to the follow up followed down instead.
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Post by bmfjules on Jan 22, 2019 12:38:06 GMT -5
I wish he would never have lost in WCW at all, and then carry the undefeated streak over to WWE and lose to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania or to a young Brock Lesnar in 02/03.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Jan 22, 2019 20:48:03 GMT -5
I think of all the potential candidates from 1998 to 2001 when WCW died, and I'm not sure I'd put any of them over Goldberg, especially not clean. Under the right circumstances, I wouldn't mind seeing a masked Rey Mysterio given a big push where he beats Goldberg for the title, but that was never going to happen. Rey lost his mask a couple of months after they ended Goldberg's streak. WCW never saw the potential in Rey. I would imagine, at the time, talking Goldberg into losing to Rey Mysterio would be a total nightmare and wouldn't happen. Seems like Nash really wasnt a bad pick cause he was white hot at the time, but like everyone else has said, the follow up sucked. Probably DDP would've been the best pick.
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Post by blissified on Jan 22, 2019 21:43:02 GMT -5
DDP or Sting.
11yr old me also wanted a Wrath vs Goldberg showdown but wouldn't have wanted Wrath to end it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 22, 2019 22:15:34 GMT -5
to quote Bobby Heenan, "Nobody, you keep the streak going for at least two or three years".
The problem was that nobody had the potential to become a star like Goldberg.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 22, 2019 22:26:44 GMT -5
to quote Bobby Heenan, "Nobody, you keep the streak going for at least two or three years". The problem was that nobody had the potential to become a star like Goldberg. Depends, I guess. It could have gone longer, but sacrificing the streak could have worked to extend the lifespan on his popularity. If you get too greedy, it can breed stagnation. Then again, Goldberg without the streak wasn't a good enough worker to bring a new dimension to the character, so they should have known that.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 22, 2019 22:33:32 GMT -5
to quote Bobby Heenan, "Nobody, you keep the streak going for at least two or three years". The problem was that nobody had the potential to become a star like Goldberg. Depends, I guess. It could have gone longer, but sacrificing the streak could have worked to extend the lifespan on his popularity. If you get too greedy, it can breed stagnation. Then again, Goldberg without the streak wasn't a good enough worker to bring a new dimension to the character, so they should have known that. Heenan also said that. He admitted that Goldberg wasn't a great wrestler so he should've actually wrestled less in order not to expose him. Heenan said that he pitched for Goldberg to just wrestle once a month or every once on a ppv and the rest of the time, he should've been presented as a mainstream star and bigger than life. That Goldberg should've been a special attraction that people had to pay to watch. Bobby said that he got pissed off when in the middle of the home run chase, Mark Mcguire publicly said that he was a fan of Goldberg and even rubbed his bat on Goldberg's shoulders so he would get extra luck. Well despite getting mainstream publicity, wcw never even mentioned it on tv. I'm not saying give him the belt forever, but you could've gotten at least two more years with Heenan's plan.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jan 24, 2019 1:31:59 GMT -5
I wish he would never have lost in WCW at all, and then carry the undefeated streak over to WWE and lose to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania or to a young Brock Lesnar in 02/03. We all know who would have broken the streak if that had of happened. ![](https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/triple-h-gif-12.gif)
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 24, 2019 7:19:42 GMT -5
I would have changed it so that shortly before Starrcade he gets attacked backstage, left bloodied, and all that's found is the taser. This leads to commentators telling us the following week that Goldberg was injured in the fight, which obviously the nWo takes the credit for. World Title is held up in a tournament, Hogan wins the tournament with help from Nash and the reunification of the nWo, so WCW still gets what they want from that end.
The next night on Nitro Hogan is in the ring, flanked by Hall and Nash, giving a promo about how great he is and how the nWo is back and better than ever when the titantron shows the rest of the nWo laid out in the backstage area. As the video pans out you don't see Goldberg but you hear him do his snarl/yell/grunt thing. Goldberg makes his way to the ring and Hogan/Hall/Nash flee.
From that point you have Goldberg destroy the nWo, eventually getting to Hogan who he beats in a match for the title and also to dissolve the nWo forever. The title is back on Goldberg, he's still undefeated, the nWo is over, and WCW can move on to different storylines. It takes up several months of storyline, keeps the streak intact, allows Goldberg to do what he does best mowing over guys, and got the title off him so it doesn't get stale.
Eventually he turns heel once the fans get bored of him and a hot new babyface beats him for the title, whether that's Booker T or whoever.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jan 24, 2019 8:02:12 GMT -5
I agree with those that say it should’ve been Nash. He was a massively over babyface at the time and the arena at Starrcade seemed to favor him over Goldberg. I would’ve probably done what they did to reform the NWO to put them against Goldberg, but I would’ve stretched it out for a while. Maybe even have the rest of the guys join back together without Nash and Nash denying he has anything to do with these circumstances that keep helping him. Maybe even have Nash help Goldberg against some lesser NWO members or people like The Giant or Scott Steiner who Nash has always had problems with. But when Hogan or Hall or an old Wolfpac guy interferes with Goldberg, Nash is nowhere to be found. Then 3-4 months down the road I’d have Nash reveal his hand. There were numorous good ways they could’ve booked the post Starrcade period, but they picked one of the worst ones.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 24, 2019 8:19:29 GMT -5
Sting. Sting/Goldberg was Goldberg's first "great" match IMO, and having Sting beat him on a PPV stage a few months later would have been a good follow-up.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 24, 2019 8:39:32 GMT -5
I am cool with Nash doing it, and even the cheating. It was just a legendarily bad follow up. (Even that, the fingerpoke works for something like when Slaughter tried and failed to sow dissension in D-X, but it does NOT work for your goddamn world title, and at the expense of turning one of your most over faces in Nash at the time) Yeah, I didn't mind Nash doing it. They protected the crap out of Goldberg (Nash put it the best: "We ran a bunch of guys out there and did everything short of having Oswald shoot him from the school book depository") But the second part of that is something that gets overlooked. For as much as people want to rip on Nash, the dude was over as all f*** through the Summer/fall of 98. Turning him heel was stupid, as the fans never wanted to boo him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 12:03:26 GMT -5
Surprised that Sid isn't on the poll, since it was Sullivan's plan initially to have him beat Goldberg and build him as the unbeatable monster to give some other babyface the rub.
Of those listed I'll go with DDP, simply because he's who I would most prefer, though I'm not sure he's the one who "should" have.
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Post by Arrogance_Personified on Jan 25, 2019 6:56:39 GMT -5
Lance Storm beating him would have been excellent for Storm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 20:02:06 GMT -5
I think I concur with the Bobby Heenan mentality that he should've been protected and undefeated till the end, or at least until he really needed a change in direction.
I think Kevin Nash was an okay guy to beat the streak, especially with some BS attached to it. I definitely don't agree with Sting or DDP beating the streak clean because there's nowhere to go from there. DDP wasn't really over in a way that he needed that win, he's the quintessential underdog, and to a lesser extent so was Sting, they had more tools to work with than Goldberg, without being the unbeatable monster truck, he's not much.
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Post by brown bricks on Jan 28, 2019 2:33:56 GMT -5
DDP at Halloween Havoc.
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