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Post by Doctor No on Jan 28, 2019 20:25:02 GMT -5
That kind of booking is what gets you 50/50 booking. Not really, it makes complete sense. If you want the division to be built around 1 woman then yeah the main event makes more sense as a single's match since Ronda's leaving soon but you gotta think about the future of the division here. We need more people rising up than just having 1 person. Charlotte's not at her peak yet, Becky's definitely getting raised, makes more sense to elevate multiple people.
Why not add a 4th woman? Who is a hot up and comer that looks like the future? You add them into it and the rub they would get could really strap a rocket on them. How main ways can we book this to keep adding to it and everyone benefits? Everyone would be built up equally and would all carry that momentum. That’s how it works right? Nope. You’ll never see those megastars again if every match needs to constantly keep everyone on the same level.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 21:11:03 GMT -5
Not really, it makes complete sense. If you want the division to be built around 1 woman then yeah the main event makes more sense as a single's match since Ronda's leaving soon but you gotta think about the future of the division here. We need more people rising up than just having 1 person. Charlotte's not at her peak yet, Becky's definitely getting raised, makes more sense to elevate multiple people.
Why not add a 4th woman? Who is a hot up and comer that looks like the future? You add them into it and the rub they would get could really strap a rocket on them. How main ways can we book this to keep adding to it and everyone benefits? Everyone would be built up equally and would all carry that momentum. That’s how it works right? Nope. You’ll never see those megastars again if every match needs to constantly keep everyone on the same level. You're only looking at that one point rather than the entire culmination of what it means by adding Charlotte. When people say "Charlotte needs to be in the match" we're not talking about 1 point like a lot of others who say "no it needs to be Becky/Ronda because it's a better story." For one besides the point I just mentioned Charlotte has been the backbone of this division since she joined. She's constantly seen as above the others, she's constantly doing promo with these radio shows, she's just a level above the others. That's why turning her into a star through this match works. She's got credentials that this extra match would push her to that level. Now say you add in someone like Nattie, it wouldn't mean much. Yeah she's got that match to her belt but she's not on Charlotte's level from a presentation standpoint nor does she had what Charlotte has. Say you add in Sasha? It could potentially work. Bayley? Not so much. Of course Becky because of how her past 6 months have been. Basically you add all of that up and it works for making a star. You adding an up and comer to it doesn't work because they don't have the legacy thus far to be pushed up. In RPG terms, Charlotte's at a level 45, if she hits level 50 through this match she'll evolve to her final evolution which makes her a star. You putting a level 20 up and coming won't make them reach that level 50 because they're not up to level 45 yet, they'll hit level 30 which is cool but they've got a long way to go before they evolve.
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Post by Doctor No on Jan 28, 2019 21:21:14 GMT -5
Why not add a 4th woman? Who is a hot up and comer that looks like the future? You add them into it and the rub they would get could really strap a rocket on them. How main ways can we book this to keep adding to it and everyone benefits? Everyone would be built up equally and would all carry that momentum. That’s how it works right? Nope. You’ll never see those megastars again if every match needs to constantly keep everyone on the same level. You're only looking at that one point rather than the entire culmination of what it means by adding Charlotte. When people say "Charlotte needs to be in the match" we're not talking about 1 point like a lot of others who say "no it needs to be Becky/Ronda because it's a better story." For one besides the point I just mentioned Charlotte has been the backbone of this division since she joined. She's constantly seen as above the others, she's constantly doing promo with these radio shows, she's just a level above the others. That's why turning her into a star through this match works. She's got credentials that this extra match would push her to that level. Now say you add in someone like Nattie, it wouldn't mean much. Yeah she's got that match to her belt but she's not on Charlotte's level from a presentation standpoint nor does she had what Charlotte has. Say you add in Sasha? It could potentially work. Bayley? Not so much. Of course Becky because of how her past 6 months have been. Basically you add all of that up and it works for making a star. You adding an up and comer to it doesn't work because they don't have the legacy thus far to be pushed up. In RPG terms, Charlotte's at a level 45, if she hits level 50 through this match she'll evolve to her final evolution which makes her a star. You putting a level 20 up and coming won't make them reach that level 50 because they're not up to level 45 yet, they'll hit level 30 which is cool but they've got a long way to go before they evolve.
Or they try to make a real star and stop trying to divide pushes. Their is a star with a hot hand, stop dividing that spotlight. Making a megastar raises everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 21:27:19 GMT -5
You're only looking at that one point rather than the entire culmination of what it means by adding Charlotte. When people say "Charlotte needs to be in the match" we're not talking about 1 point like a lot of others who say "no it needs to be Becky/Ronda because it's a better story." For one besides the point I just mentioned Charlotte has been the backbone of this division since she joined. She's constantly seen as above the others, she's constantly doing promo with these radio shows, she's just a level above the others. That's why turning her into a star through this match works. She's got credentials that this extra match would push her to that level. Now say you add in someone like Nattie, it wouldn't mean much. Yeah she's got that match to her belt but she's not on Charlotte's level from a presentation standpoint nor does she had what Charlotte has. Say you add in Sasha? It could potentially work. Bayley? Not so much. Of course Becky because of how her past 6 months have been. Basically you add all of that up and it works for making a star. You adding an up and comer to it doesn't work because they don't have the legacy thus far to be pushed up. In RPG terms, Charlotte's at a level 45, if she hits level 50 through this match she'll evolve to her final evolution which makes her a star. You putting a level 20 up and coming won't make them reach that level 50 because they're not up to level 45 yet, they'll hit level 30 which is cool but they've got a long way to go before they evolve.
Or they try to make a real star and stop trying to divide pushes. Their is a star with a hot hand, stop dividing that spotlight. Making a megastar raises everything. Becky's going to be on Raw. Charlotte's going to be on SDL. Having 2 stars made through 1 match makes the most sense because we've got 2 brands. We can't put everything all on 1 star because that's when you have the "ok 1 person is The Guy again" which we don't need. We need as many made stars as possible. Secondly, it being a triple threat isn't going to make Becky less of a star especially if she beats Ronda, former UFC Champion, Rousey and Charlotte "I've been running this division for the past 4 years" Flair. It makes Becky an even bigger star and makes her look more impressive given she'll have gone over the 2 most dominating women this division's seen in 4 years.
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Post by Doctor No on Jan 28, 2019 21:50:11 GMT -5
Or they try to make a real star and stop trying to divide pushes. Their is a star with a hot hand, stop dividing that spotlight. Making a megastar raises everything. Becky's going to be on Raw. Charlotte's going to be on SDL. Having 2 stars made through 1 match makes the most sense because we've got 2 brands. We can't put everything all on 1 star because that's when you have the "ok 1 person is The Guy again" which we don't need. We need as many made stars as possible. Secondly, it being a triple threat isn't going to make Becky less of a star especially if she beats Ronda, former UFC Champion, Rousey and Charlotte "I've been running this division for the past 4 years" Flair. It makes Becky an even bigger star and makes her look more impressive given she'll have gone over the 2 most dominating women this division's seen in 4 years. Charlotte being in it doesn’t diminish Becky or Ronda’s star. But in a Mania main event for the first time ever with Becky having the momentum she does, forcing someone else in lowers the ceiling and the big fight(think classic boxing) atmosphere.. Give the Becky/Ronda match people want(and haven’t seen) the spotlight/stage and see what heights it can reach. One person being “the guy” when it’s something that happened naturally is a good thing for the company and the wrestlers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 22:04:41 GMT -5
Becky's going to be on Raw. Charlotte's going to be on SDL. Having 2 stars made through 1 match makes the most sense because we've got 2 brands. We can't put everything all on 1 star because that's when you have the "ok 1 person is The Guy again" which we don't need. We need as many made stars as possible. Secondly, it being a triple threat isn't going to make Becky less of a star especially if she beats Ronda, former UFC Champion, Rousey and Charlotte "I've been running this division for the past 4 years" Flair. It makes Becky an even bigger star and makes her look more impressive given she'll have gone over the 2 most dominating women this division's seen in 4 years. Charlotte being in it doesn’t diminish Becky or Ronda’s star. But in a Mania main event for the first time ever with Becky having the momentum she does, forcing someone else in lowers the ceiling and the big fight(think classic boxing) atmosphere.. Give the Becky/Ronda match people want(and haven’t seen) the spotlight/stage and see what heights it can reach. One person being “the guy” when it’s something that happened naturally is a good thing for the company and the wrestlers. This isn't true. That's something some fans think based on what they want rather than what's actually happening. The reality of the situation is that people aren't going to care if it's a single's match or a triple threat, they'll only know the result and what happens from that. If it's a triple threat guaranteed people aren't going to make a riot, most will be ok with it. If Bryan faced just Orton or just Batista that wouldn't have made his match better at all because what made WM30 great is the story and ending. What isn't an opinion is Becky beating these 2 will make her more impressive and what isn't an opinion is that you've got 2 people who can help the division after having main evented WM which helps more people. You're spending more time focusing on 1 person (Becky) and how it benefits her and her story rather than helping the division as a whole because in this case it helps the whole division. This division is bigger than Becky. Charlotte can even use this to say that she main evented WM and Asuka didn't and that's why she needs to be champion again setting up another Asuka match which helps SDL and the women's title there. Let alone the fact that there's multiple stories in play such as Charlotte still having a problem with Ronda. It's like I said, there's more stories in play than just it being about Becky.
Honestly, the only thing I'm seeing for it being a single's match is because people only care what happens to Becky rather than everything as a whole and that's why it's not going to be picked. It just doesn't work that way. And no, one person being "The Gal" on 2 brands for the women is bad writing. We've got 2 brands and given Becky isn't going to go from one brand to the next you need to make the other brand stronger especially since she's leaving which leaves us with Charlotte (who's just had the WM match with Becky and Ronda) vs Asuka (who's defended her title). It helps both out if Charlotte's in the match.
You're just spending more time focusing on Becky rather than everything else as a whole.
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Post by Doctor No on Jan 28, 2019 22:12:49 GMT -5
Charlotte being in it doesn’t diminish Becky or Ronda’s star. But in a Mania main event for the first time ever with Becky having the momentum she does, forcing someone else in lowers the ceiling and the big fight(think classic boxing) atmosphere.. Give the Becky/Ronda match people want(and haven’t seen) the spotlight/stage and see what heights it can reach. One person being “the guy” when it’s something that happened naturally is a good thing for the company and the wrestlers. This isn't true. That's something some fans think based on what they want rather than what's actually happening. The reality of the situation is that people aren't going to care if it's a single's match or a triple threat, they'll only know the result and what happens from that. If it's a triple threat guaranteed people aren't going to make a riot, most will be ok with it. If Bryan faced just Orton or just Batista that wouldn't have made his match better at all because what made WM30 great is the story and ending. What isn't an opinion is Becky beating these 2 will make her more impressive and what isn't an opinion is that you've got 2 people who can help the division after having main evented WM which helps more people. You're spending more time focusing on 1 person (Becky) and how it benefits her and her story rather than helping the division as a whole because in this case it helps the whole division. This division is bigger than Becky. Charlotte can even use this to say that she main evented WM and Asuka didn't and that's why she needs to be champion again setting up another Asuka match which helps SDL and the women's title there. Let alone the fact that there's multiple stories in play such as Charlotte still having a problem with Ronda. It's like I said, there's more stories in play than just it being about Becky.
Honestly, the only thing I'm seeing for it being a single's match is because people only care what happens to Becky rather than everything as a whole and that's why it's not going to be picked. It just doesn't work that way. And no, one person being "The Gal" on 2 brands for the women is bad writing. We've got 2 brands and given Becky isn't going to go from one brand to the next you need to make the other brand stronger especially since she's leaving which leaves us with Charlotte (who's just had the WM match with Becky and Ronda) vs Asuka (who's defended her title). It helps both out if Charlotte's in the match.
You're just spending more time focusing on Becky rather than everything else as a whole. Becky is extremely hot right now, of course you focus on her. To make megastars you have to eventually focus on them. That’s good for everybody.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 22:26:45 GMT -5
This isn't true. That's something some fans think based on what they want rather than what's actually happening. The reality of the situation is that people aren't going to care if it's a single's match or a triple threat, they'll only know the result and what happens from that. If it's a triple threat guaranteed people aren't going to make a riot, most will be ok with it. If Bryan faced just Orton or just Batista that wouldn't have made his match better at all because what made WM30 great is the story and ending. What isn't an opinion is Becky beating these 2 will make her more impressive and what isn't an opinion is that you've got 2 people who can help the division after having main evented WM which helps more people. You're spending more time focusing on 1 person (Becky) and how it benefits her and her story rather than helping the division as a whole because in this case it helps the whole division. This division is bigger than Becky. Charlotte can even use this to say that she main evented WM and Asuka didn't and that's why she needs to be champion again setting up another Asuka match which helps SDL and the women's title there. Let alone the fact that there's multiple stories in play such as Charlotte still having a problem with Ronda. It's like I said, there's more stories in play than just it being about Becky.
Honestly, the only thing I'm seeing for it being a single's match is because people only care what happens to Becky rather than everything as a whole and that's why it's not going to be picked. It just doesn't work that way. And no, one person being "The Gal" on 2 brands for the women is bad writing. We've got 2 brands and given Becky isn't going to go from one brand to the next you need to make the other brand stronger especially since she's leaving which leaves us with Charlotte (who's just had the WM match with Becky and Ronda) vs Asuka (who's defended her title). It helps both out if Charlotte's in the match.
You're just spending more time focusing on Becky rather than everything else as a whole. Becky is extremely hot right now, of course you focus on her. To make megastars you have to eventually focus on them. That’s good for everybody.
Nah, you're misunderstanding something.
Becky is going to reap the benefits regardless what happens, no one is denying that. It can be a single's match, triple threat, it doesn't matter because at the end of the day she'll win, be elevated because of it, she'll win in this story and the fireworks will go off. She's already the focus of this, she can't be diminished. Charlotte being in this helps Charlotte and it goes back to what I said about there being a bias against Charlotte because the reality is her being in this helps her and people don't want her to be helped. There's a reason why Charlotte, Sasha and Becky had that triple threat years ago at WM rather than it being a single's, it's because it helped all 3. There's a reason why a lot of these matches are triple threats, it helps all 3 and the division. The truth is you just only want Becky to get help because it's about Becky but the reality is this will help Charlotte out as well and nothing will be taken away from Becky. You're thinking it being a triple threat will diminish Becky when that's false. It'll only help Charlotte out. Besides that there's the Charlotte/Ronda storyline that we still need to finish and instead of finishing it you're willing to toss that aside for Becky.
You're basically trying to make Becky Roman Reigns in this case considering you're overlooking other stories and helping others out in favor of Becky getting shine.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 28, 2019 22:40:57 GMT -5
The crowd reaction to the Becky Rhonda segment disagrees.It is not even a matter of pushing a HISTORIC moment.
They deserve it.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 28, 2019 23:08:44 GMT -5
Okay, real quick.
What's the most famous multi man match in Wrestlemania history?
The Horsewomen match? Wrestlemania 2000? The Benoit Triple Threat?
Okay, it's the TLC tag match, but the point is all of those matches pale in comparison to the legendary singles match.
Becky/Ronda. Charlotte/Asuka 2.
Keep it simple.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 29, 2019 9:05:22 GMT -5
Singles or triple threat match, I think most of us can agree, that the women should main event WM, not Bork/Rollins.
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Post by Juice on Jan 29, 2019 11:30:41 GMT -5
Im tuning out regardless. Idgaf about the "revolution" they bungled it more times than Roman.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 29, 2019 14:24:05 GMT -5
I'm more interested in knowing why Goldberg's very clean win over Lesnar doesn't count.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 29, 2019 14:37:43 GMT -5
As this thread derail shows, Rollins and Lesnar should not main event.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 29, 2019 17:07:51 GMT -5
I'm more interested in knowing why Goldberg's very clean win over Lesnar doesn't count. I do see the point even if I don't agree with it. Goldberg showed up JUST for that feud with Brock, really, so the rub was meaningless. Brock needs to lose to someone who's still going to be there when Brock isn't for that loss to be meanginful. But yeah he jobbed clean as a sheet to Goldbiscuit, no lie. As for the triple threat idea, while I wouldn't be against it, I prefer the one-on-one thing. I am a HUGE Charlotte mark, but I don't think the match needs her. If it DOESN'T go on last, then sure, throw Charlotte in there for some fun multi-person clusterf***ery, but if it's going on last, I want this main event to be legit. I think making it a triple threat potentially devalues all of the participants being there.
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