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Post by Aceorton on Jan 31, 2019 20:41:47 GMT -5
Yeah, there is a lot of fishy stuff going on here. If I was a betting man, I would think that a guard had issue with him. Like you said earlier, if an inmate did it, they most likely aren't going to cover it up, unless the guard wanted it to happen or was paid off somehow. There is a third option, that they’re just really bad at what they do. Like the Jimmy Snuka investigators were pathetic and awful. What's the saying? When suspecting malice, consider incompetence. Or something like that.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 31, 2019 20:45:26 GMT -5
There is a third option, that they’re just really bad at what they do. Like the Jimmy Snuka investigators were pathetic and awful. What's the saying? When suspecting malice, consider incompetence. Or something like that. Lol that investigation was botched from the beginning. It was the definition of incompetence. Sam Muchnick went back to Allentown thirty years after the murder and the cops f***ed up everything. Their excuse for not releasing anything was that it was still an open investigation, thirty f***ing years after it happened.
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Post by TGM on Jan 31, 2019 20:53:58 GMT -5
Why was Brian Christopher in jail? What was he charged with? Was it a county jail or a proper prison?
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Post by edgestar on Jan 31, 2019 21:14:00 GMT -5
Or that they haven’t produced a coroner reports in months. Coroners are busy as hell anyways. I doubt they’re putting their work on what are indisputably real crimes on hold to indulge a grieving father’s theories. It simply is not a priority for them. I can't speak as a parent, but I do feel sympathy for Jerry. He's grieving his son, and if he does have other beliefs about how Brian passed, he's allowed to that. If it was suicide, I am sorry that he didn't see that people would still be pulling for him to get help. If Jerry thinks there's more to it, then... he and Brian's mother deserve that closure. Even if they choose to keep it within their circle.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 31, 2019 21:24:21 GMT -5
Coroners are busy as hell anyways. I doubt they’re putting their work on what are indisputably real crimes on hold to indulge a grieving father’s theories. It simply is not a priority for them. Is it normal that there’s no coroner’s report more than six months after the suicide? I get that they’re busy but this was in late July of last year. Depending on how well staffed the office is and how many bodies the police needed them to a look at quickly due to ongoing investigations or upcoming prosecutions, I think it’s entirely possible. I feel bad for Jerry, but he and his lawyer seem to be the only people who think a crime was committed here.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Jan 31, 2019 22:32:29 GMT -5
I'm not going to speculate or jump to conclusions, I just hope Jerry and his family get the truth and find peace.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 31, 2019 22:36:01 GMT -5
Coroners are busy as hell anyways. I doubt they’re putting their work on what are indisputably real crimes on hold to indulge a grieving father’s theories. It simply is not a priority for them. Is it normal that there’s no coroner’s report more than six months after the suicide? I get that they’re busy but this was in late July of last year. Generally if foul play is suspected then "right the hell away" is ideal, because things deteriorate and wear off the longer you go no matter how frozen the body is. The fact it's six months out is not normal or sane, and the fact they're claiming it's an "open investigation" makes the fact it hasn't been looked at yet even more suspicious because if you have a feeling there may have been foul play involved you don't wait months for evidence to potentially decompose and disappear. I think it's right for Lawler to be worried something fishy is going on given that.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 31, 2019 22:39:19 GMT -5
Half a year is not normal, no. He didn't die during the black plague, they're not THAT busy.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 31, 2019 23:05:08 GMT -5
Is it normal that there’s no coroner’s report more than six months after the suicide? I get that they’re busy but this was in late July of last year. Depending on how well staffed the office is and how many bodies the police needed them to a look at quickly due to ongoing investigations or upcoming prosecutions, I think it’s entirely possible. I feel bad for Jerry, but he and his lawyer seem to be the only people who think a crime was committed here. From this PBS article about autopsies: "Preliminary results can be released within 24 hours, but the full results of an autopsy may take up to six weeks to prepare." There is no reason workload should be so great that they swell from six weeks to six months. The comment about "real crimes" is not only callous, it's incorrect--ignoring the police's current ruling on it being an open investigation and on the fact that if they did an autopsy then there should be results from it.
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Post by corndog on Jan 31, 2019 23:11:10 GMT -5
Half a year is not normal, no. He didn't die during the black plague, they're not THAT busy. Exactly, Bolivar, Tennessee has a population of a little over 5,000, after looking it up. This didn't happen in Chicago, where the coroners are clearly overloaded.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 31, 2019 23:35:23 GMT -5
Half a year is not normal, no. He didn't die during the black plague, they're not THAT busy. Exactly, Bolivar, Tennessee has a population of a little over 5,000, after looking it up. This didn't happen in Chicago, where the coroners are clearly overloaded. ...they’re hiding something.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 1, 2019 0:30:48 GMT -5
Something doesn't smell right about this. And it wouldn't exactly be the first time some shady shit went down in prison.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 1, 2019 8:43:38 GMT -5
It’s the damnedest thing. Whenever there’s some major questions as to the truth behind an official report, American cops’ cameras go on the fritz. Body cams, dash cams, cameras in prison cells. They all just tend to go out at the most inconvenient times.
Meanwhile, the $100 cameras Amazon sells for cat lovers to keep an eye on their pets at work don’t ever seem to malfunction.
So weird.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Feb 1, 2019 11:22:57 GMT -5
Depending on how well staffed the office is and how many bodies the police needed them to a look at quickly due to ongoing investigations or upcoming prosecutions, I think it’s entirely possible. I feel bad for Jerry, but he and his lawyer seem to be the only people who think a crime was committed here. From this PBS article about autopsies: "Preliminary results can be released within 24 hours, but the full results of an autopsy may take up to six weeks to prepare." There is no reason workload should be so great that they swell from six weeks to six months. The comment about "real crimes" is not only callous, it's incorrect--ignoring the police's current ruling on it being an open investigation and on the fact that if they did an autopsy then there should be results from it. Dude. Occam’s Razor this. What is more likely: that a deeply troubled man with a well documented history of substance abuse issues decided to end his life after one more blow fell and his grieving father is having trouble accepting that, or that however many guards there are in the prison got together to game a murder to look like a suicide?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 1, 2019 12:08:33 GMT -5
From this PBS article about autopsies: "Preliminary results can be released within 24 hours, but the full results of an autopsy may take up to six weeks to prepare." There is no reason workload should be so great that they swell from six weeks to six months. The comment about "real crimes" is not only callous, it's incorrect--ignoring the police's current ruling on it being an open investigation and on the fact that if they did an autopsy then there should be results from it. Dude. Occam’s Razor this. What is more likely: that a deeply troubled man with a well documented history of substance abuse issues decided to end his life after one more blow fell and his grieving father is having trouble accepting that, or that however many guards there are in the prison got together to game a murder to look like a suicide? Occam's Razor is not a legal principle and again, the state invesigators themselves consider this an open investigaiton six months out, which wouldn't be the case if this was an open-and-shut suicide with nothing else hanging off of it. But you can play it the other way too; if there's nothing weird going on here than there is no reason to delay the coroner's report and for Lawler not to be given the documents he is going through reasonable legal channels to access. "Dude. Occam's Razor this" doesn't make your argument any less callous, especially when there are cases every year of prison guards murdering inmates or inmates murdering other inmates and guards covering for it. This isn't the stuff of crime movies, this actually happens.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 1, 2019 12:31:10 GMT -5
From this PBS article about autopsies: "Preliminary results can be released within 24 hours, but the full results of an autopsy may take up to six weeks to prepare." There is no reason workload should be so great that they swell from six weeks to six months. The comment about "real crimes" is not only callous, it's incorrect--ignoring the police's current ruling on it being an open investigation and on the fact that if they did an autopsy then there should be results from it. Dude. Occam’s Razor this. What is more likely: that a deeply troubled man with a well documented history of substance abuse issues decided to end his life after one more blow fell and his grieving father is having trouble accepting that, or that however many guards there are in the prison got together to game a murder to look like a suicide? It’s just too much smoke to ignore. How convenient is that the cameras didn’t worked that night, and really there’s no excuse for a coroner’s report being six months late, specially in a bumblef*** town of three thousand people. This isn’t a major city or department, there’s no excuse for the report not coming out six months later. Either they’re covering something up or that department are the biggest collection of morons ever
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Post by Stu on Feb 1, 2019 13:01:25 GMT -5
Half a year is not normal, no. He didn't die during the black plague, they're not THAT busy. Exactly, Bolivar, Tennessee has a population of a little over 5,000, after looking it up. This didn't happen in Chicago, where the coroners are clearly overloaded. For what it's worth, some coroner offices (at least in California) are county-based. So that means they're responsible for bodies from multiple communities. But I'm not sure how things operate in Tennessee
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Post by corndog on Feb 1, 2019 13:20:43 GMT -5
Exactly, Bolivar, Tennessee has a population of a little over 5,000, after looking it up. This didn't happen in Chicago, where the coroners are clearly overloaded. For what it's worth, some coroner offices (at least in California) are county-based. So that means they're responsible for bodies from multiple communities. But I'm not sure how things operate in Tennessee I believe most coroner's offices are county based and this one is as well. Bolivar is the largest city in the county and looking it up, the county's total population is 27,000. So it is not a largely populated county by any means.
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Post by Error on Feb 1, 2019 13:36:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure how it got this way but Lawler is already buried, they are not waiting on the autopsy to occur. The family is trying to get the report which has already been made and filed. Exactly, Bolivar, Tennessee has a population of a little over 5,000, after looking it up. This didn't happen in Chicago, where the coroners are clearly overloaded. For what it's worth, some coroner offices (at least in California) are county-based. So that means they're responsible for bodies from multiple communities. But I'm not sure how things operate in Tennessee Hell, in my part of Texas we don't even have one for the county, they have to use Dallas county's coroner. I believe they actually serve 4 or 5 counties. The city of Dallas has their own personal so their is no long wait times outside of the drug and alcohol screenings.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 1, 2019 15:30:32 GMT -5
If even half of what Jerry says is true, then I can see why they want to do the investigation. I'm not saying I think there's anything in it, I'm saying if I was him, in that emotional state, hell yeah you better find out what the truth is for sure, regardless of what that truth turns out to be. It would send me crazy.
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