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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 2, 2019 19:51:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 19:52:25 GMT -5
If they’re hell bent on shoe horning Charlotte in with Becky and Ronda, than I’d rather see Brock and Seth close it out. But that’d be robbing Becky’s wrestlemania story, taking away a women’s main event of wrestlemania that’ll make sense and making the ending of said match less impactful solely because of one person that you don’t want.
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Post by Jokaine on Feb 2, 2019 22:33:23 GMT -5
I mean I've said before she makes no difference in ratings and she's not bringing in a new boom period or anything. She is clearly the most over person in the company right now, though. True. Alvarez had a rant this week about Becky saying she doesn't help ratings, isn't moving merch, isn't moving the needle for anything but she's still the most popular in the company right now which is good. The ratings thing is what it is I guess. Viewership isn't what it was years ago, of course neither is anything else on television. The merchandise comment is confusing. I know Alvarez knows more than I do, but during almost the entire month of December, Becky's "The Man," shirts were sold out in everything except a couple of women's sizes and maybe a men's small. I don't recall anybody's else's shit being out like that, so she's apparently moving more than just about anyone else on the roster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 23:17:46 GMT -5
True. Alvarez had a rant this week about Becky saying she doesn't help ratings, isn't moving merch, isn't moving the needle for anything but she's still the most popular in the company right now which is good. The ratings thing is what it is I guess. Viewership isn't what it was years ago, of course neither is anything else on television. The merchandise comment is confusing. I know Alvarez knows more than I do, but during almost the entire month of December, Becky's "The Man," shirts were sold out in everything except a couple of women's sizes and maybe a men's small. I don't recall anybody's else's shit being out like that, so she's apparently moving more than just about anyone else on the roster. Idk about that. It could be similar to the times where Ambrose's merch was always out and yet he was still under Reigns and definitely Cena. Who really knows but given Alvarez said she's not moving business for them it makes you wonder about the merch comment. I definitely think she's the highest selling woman right now though, for sure. Even on the Shopzone site she's up there with Styles, Balor, Rollins and Undisputed Era. Usually that's saved for the biggest merch movers.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 3, 2019 3:00:27 GMT -5
True. Alvarez had a rant this week about Becky saying she doesn't help ratings, isn't moving merch, isn't moving the needle for anything but she's still the most popular in the company right now which is good. The ratings thing is what it is I guess. Viewership isn't what it was years ago, of course neither is anything else on television. The merchandise comment is confusing. I know Alvarez knows more than I do, but during almost the entire month of December, Becky's "The Man," shirts were sold out in everything except a couple of women's sizes and maybe a men's small. I don't recall anybody's else's shit being out like that, so she's apparently moving more than just about anyone else on the roster.
I suspect part of is that WWE has different metrics for determining success, including social media, and Becky's thriving in those metrics. As for main event, I'm guessing the triple threat with Becky tapping out Ronda. Charlotte's likely going to be introduced to the match in a way that's meant to make smarks angry (In addition to the injury storyline, Becky herself is playing right into this dynamic with her #ShoehornCharlotte social media), but will ultimately benefit the build (including the promotional side--she does a stack of media for WWE and will probably do a heap more in the leadup to Mania) and match itself. Her and Becky work so well together that it'd be a shame to not see them on the biggest stage of all.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 3, 2019 3:25:15 GMT -5
It will be Becky vs. Ronda (vs. Charlotte). Mostly because they cannot afford not to throw out their white hot act as the final match on the card.
In this era of 4-5 hour Manias on top of another three matches on the Kickoff show for Mania, crowd fatigue is now something that has to be considered when laying out the card. They absolutely need Becky and Ronda (and Charlotte) in that spot, because I don't see anyone else waking up the crowd in that spot, especially since MetLife could very well be freezing by that time of the night if last time was any indication.
If we see Lesnar vs. Rollins or whatever the WWE title is doing, I think it has the potential to really disrupt the flow of Mania as a whole, especially if the audience expects that Becky and co. are to be the main event. And they don't even have Roman this year, who if they put in the main event, would at least take the heat himself for the company as a proxy.
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Post by TGM on Feb 3, 2019 4:08:26 GMT -5
Whatever match Becky Lynch is in should and will main event.
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Post by 111111 on Feb 3, 2019 5:54:17 GMT -5
Ronda V Becky V Flair.
I imagine Seth Rollins will send out some whiney bitchy tweets about it.
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Post by chronocross on Feb 3, 2019 6:50:04 GMT -5
I'd rather have the women headline this year then seeing Brock vs. Seth in a match that doesn't interest me to be honest.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Feb 3, 2019 11:37:52 GMT -5
I want it to be Ronda vs. Becky Lynch one on one. Keep it as simple as possible and make it about Becky wanting to take down Ronda and make herself the new top star of women's wrestling.
However, I think they will be adding Charlotte Flair to the match. Since it's the #HISTORIC WrestleMania main event, they are going to want to add Flair to the match so she can have that accolade in addition to however many women's championships she's won so far.
The triple threat would still be good, but one on one would be better. It's Becky's time now and she shouldn't have to share the spotlight as a challenger. Charlotte Flair can add some star power to another women's match on the card.
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Post by 4real on Feb 3, 2019 12:54:17 GMT -5
This is the perfect opportunity to have the Women’s Match main event and I don’t think WWE will get a better chance. Charlotte is not simply going to be shoehorned in I believe she deserves it and is part of this story and Ronda has unfinished business with her.
Also I don’t think she’s winning the match. Of course it wouldn’t surprise me but she has had her moments at Wrestlemania already,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 13:30:14 GMT -5
The ratings thing is what it is I guess. Viewership isn't what it was years ago, of course neither is anything else on television. The merchandise comment is confusing. I know Alvarez knows more than I do, but during almost the entire month of December, Becky's "The Man," shirts were sold out in everything except a couple of women's sizes and maybe a men's small. I don't recall anybody's else's shit being out like that, so she's apparently moving more than just about anyone else on the roster. I suspect part of is that WWE has different metrics for determining success, including social media, and Becky's thriving in those metrics. As for main event, I'm guessing the triple threat with Becky tapping out Ronda. Charlotte's likely going to be introduced to the match in a way that's meant to make smarks angry (In addition to the injury storyline, Becky herself is playing right into this dynamic with her #ShoehornCharlotte social media), but will ultimately benefit the build (including the promotional side--she does a stack of media for WWE and will probably do a heap more in the leadup to Mania) and match itself. Her and Becky work so well together that it'd be a shame to not see them on the biggest stage of all.
Yeah, this. Man, WWE's really conditioned the fans to think that Charlotte's going to win the match if she's included. They're going to use that to their advantage, no reason they wouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 13:42:47 GMT -5
I suspect part of is that WWE has different metrics for determining success, including social media, and Becky's thriving in those metrics. As for main event, I'm guessing the triple threat with Becky tapping out Ronda. Charlotte's likely going to be introduced to the match in a way that's meant to make smarks angry (In addition to the injury storyline, Becky herself is playing right into this dynamic with her #ShoehornCharlotte social media), but will ultimately benefit the build (including the promotional side--she does a stack of media for WWE and will probably do a heap more in the leadup to Mania) and match itself. Her and Becky work so well together that it'd be a shame to not see them on the biggest stage of all.
Yeah, this. Man, WWE's really conditioned the fans to think that Charlotte's going to win the match if she's included. They're going to use that to their advantage, no reason they wouldn't. I don't think Charlotte's winning but even if she doesn't I still don't want her there. I don't see any satisfying outcome with her in the match. Charlotte wins? Terrible. Ronda wins? Terrible. Becky beats Charlotte? Solves nothing with Ronda which should be the pay-off. Becky beats Ronda? Not as big of a deal as doing it one on one. The third person in a triple threat can always say, "hey, I softened her up and did all the damage, you just got lucky at the end." The win isn't as conclusive as it should be. Would Charlotte ending Asuka's streak last year have been as impressive if Becky was thrown into the match? If it was just 3 regular wrestlers I'd have no problem with a triple threat. I think it was the right call in 2016 with Charlotte/Becky/Sasha. But with Ronda probably taking her first loss here I think it needs to be one-on-one. Imagine Goldberg or Asuka or any other long undefeated person having their first real loss in a multi-person match. It's just not the same.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 13:54:51 GMT -5
Yeah, this. Man, WWE's really conditioned the fans to think that Charlotte's going to win the match if she's included. They're going to use that to their advantage, no reason they wouldn't. I don't think Charlotte's winning but even if she doesn't I still don't want her there. I don't see any satisfying outcome with her in the match. Charlotte wins? Terrible. Ronda wins? Terrible. Becky beats Charlotte? Solves nothing with Ronda which should be the pay-off. Becky beats Ronda? Not as big of a deal as doing it one on one. The third person in a triple threat can always say, "hey, I softened her up and did all the damage, you just got lucky at the end." The win isn't as conclusive as it should be. Would Charlotte ending Asuka's streak last year have been as impressive if Becky was thrown into the match? If it was just 3 regular wrestlers I'd have no problem with a triple threat. I think it was the right call in 2016 with Charlotte/Becky/Sasha. But with Ronda probably taking her first loss here I think it needs to be one-on-one. Imagine Goldberg or Asuka or any other long undefeated person having their first real loss in a multi-person match. It's just not the same. The match will be better with Charlotte in it given not only Charlotte's chemistry with the two of them but her wrestling style is more "big match" than the other 2 and at WM after that many hours left you need that extra spark to it. Besides that Charlotte's story is still tangled with Becky and Ronda's so that makes sense. Charlotte hasn't finished her story with Ronda yet, Becky and Charlotte are still going at it too. Yeah, Becky's win will be the outcome but this entire thing is more than Becky winning and the result of that, it's bigger than Ronda's first loss. It's about who's the best in the division and these 3 are battling for the answer of that. At the end of the day though once this is over people won't be saying "well Charlotte did most of the damage to Ronda so Becky's win doesn't mean much" they'll only remember Becky winning. That's something people think about prior to the match and maybe during but when it's all said and done the result's what matters most. It's like that Ambrose/Rollins HIAC match. Rollins won it but given the result you'd forget that Ambrose was winning 90% of that match.
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Post by schma on Feb 3, 2019 14:31:37 GMT -5
I don't think Charlotte's winning but even if she doesn't I still don't want her there. I don't see any satisfying outcome with her in the match. Charlotte wins? Terrible. Ronda wins? Terrible. Becky beats Charlotte? Solves nothing with Ronda which should be the pay-off. Becky beats Ronda? Not as big of a deal as doing it one on one. The third person in a triple threat can always say, "hey, I softened her up and did all the damage, you just got lucky at the end." The win isn't as conclusive as it should be. Would Charlotte ending Asuka's streak last year have been as impressive if Becky was thrown into the match? If it was just 3 regular wrestlers I'd have no problem with a triple threat. I think it was the right call in 2016 with Charlotte/Becky/Sasha. But with Ronda probably taking her first loss here I think it needs to be one-on-one. Imagine Goldberg or Asuka or any other long undefeated person having their first real loss in a multi-person match. It's just not the same. The match will be better with Charlotte in it given not only Charlotte's chemistry with the two of them but her wrestling style is more "big match" than the other 2 and at WM after that many hours left you need that extra spark to it. Besides that Charlotte's story is still tangled with Becky and Ronda's so that makes sense. Charlotte hasn't finished her story with Ronda yet, Becky and Charlotte are still going at it too. Yeah, Becky's win will be the outcome but this entire thing is more than Becky winning and the result of that, it's bigger than Ronda's first loss. It's about who's the best in the division and these 3 are battling for the answer of that. At the end of the day though once this is over people won't be saying "well Charlotte did most of the damage to Ronda so Becky's win doesn't mean much" they'll only remember Becky winning. That's something people think about prior to the match and maybe during but when it's all said and done the result's what matters most. It's like that Ambrose/Rollins HIAC match. Rollins won it but given the result you'd forget that Ambrose was winning 90% of that match. One of the issues is that Becky vs Charlotte has been happening in some form since August. Yeah Becky's injury slowed it down a bit but it's still been Becky/Charlotte and sometimes other people for almost 7 months now, 9 when Wrestlemania hits. I figure Ronda gave Charlotte her receipt in the ladder match where she helped Asuka win.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 15:04:38 GMT -5
The match will be better with Charlotte in it given not only Charlotte's chemistry with the two of them but her wrestling style is more "big match" than the other 2 and at WM after that many hours left you need that extra spark to it. Besides that Charlotte's story is still tangled with Becky and Ronda's so that makes sense. Charlotte hasn't finished her story with Ronda yet, Becky and Charlotte are still going at it too. Yeah, Becky's win will be the outcome but this entire thing is more than Becky winning and the result of that, it's bigger than Ronda's first loss. It's about who's the best in the division and these 3 are battling for the answer of that. At the end of the day though once this is over people won't be saying "well Charlotte did most of the damage to Ronda so Becky's win doesn't mean much" they'll only remember Becky winning. That's something people think about prior to the match and maybe during but when it's all said and done the result's what matters most. It's like that Ambrose/Rollins HIAC match. Rollins won it but given the result you'd forget that Ambrose was winning 90% of that match. One of the issues is that Becky vs Charlotte has been happening in some form since August. Yeah Becky's injury slowed it down a bit but it's still been Becky/Charlotte and sometimes other people for almost 7 months now, 9 when Wrestlemania hits. I figure Ronda gave Charlotte her receipt in the ladder match where she helped Asuka win. Becky/Charlotte is still going on according to last week's SDL and it's apparently rumored locally for the EC and FL ppvs according to the advertisements too. They're doing a long term storyline with them. Ronda/Charlotte's still going on too according to Charlotte's comments after TLC as she's brought it up multiple times since then. People might say it's too much but they've done a great job in explaining that these 3 still have feuds going on with each other.
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Post by schma on Feb 3, 2019 20:25:57 GMT -5
One of the issues is that Becky vs Charlotte has been happening in some form since August. Yeah Becky's injury slowed it down a bit but it's still been Becky/Charlotte and sometimes other people for almost 7 months now, 9 when Wrestlemania hits. I figure Ronda gave Charlotte her receipt in the ladder match where she helped Asuka win. Becky/Charlotte is still going on according to last week's SDL and it's apparently rumored locally for the EC and FL ppvs according to the advertisements too. They're doing a long term storyline with them. Ronda/Charlotte's still going on too according to Charlotte's comments after TLC as she's brought it up multiple times since then. People might say it's too much but they've done a great job in explaining that these 3 still have feuds going on with each other.
Long term storytelling can be great but I want some breathing room between Becky and Charlotte for a while. Consider also, that Becky has had the upper hand for almost the entire feud. She has legitimately owned Charlotte these past months. The only thing really left is for Charlotte to get her wins back and this isn't the time for that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 20:31:18 GMT -5
Becky/Charlotte is still going on according to last week's SDL and it's apparently rumored locally for the EC and FL ppvs according to the advertisements too. They're doing a long term storyline with them. Ronda/Charlotte's still going on too according to Charlotte's comments after TLC as she's brought it up multiple times since then. People might say it's too much but they've done a great job in explaining that these 3 still have feuds going on with each other.
Long term storytelling can be great but I want some breathing room between Becky and Charlotte for a while. Consider also, that Becky has had the upper hand for almost the entire feud. She has legitimately owned Charlotte these past months. The only thing really left is for Charlotte to get her wins back and this isn't the time for that. The thing is that the majority of the crowd doesn't want Becky and Charlotte to have breathing room judging the crowd response whenever they're in the ring together. Even on the last SDL there was a chant to let them fight, they've got great chemistry. That's really all the indication the company needs to decide if they want to move forward. Yeah, people can be upset about it but the general crowd at the events love it. As for Charlotte as long as she doesn't win the WM match then she can do whatever because it'll just make Becky seem like a bigger underdog.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 3, 2019 22:19:55 GMT -5
Becky/Ronda(/Charlotte?) no doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 23:24:49 GMT -5
It’s tough. I feel like if they go Triple Threat, it’ll be the main event. It’s it’s Becky/Ronda straight up, I’m afraid they’ll put Brock/Seth on last.
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