|
Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 5, 2019 21:17:11 GMT -5
Blood Money 2 Electric Boogaloo
|
|
nisidhe
Hank Scorpio
O Superman....O judge....O Mom and Dad....
Posts: 5,760
|
Post by nisidhe on Feb 5, 2019 21:33:37 GMT -5
Let's see - no women, no Finn (openly supporting the LGBTQ+ dommunity), no Canadians (no Sami, no KO, no Jinder unless he has dual citizenship and flies in on a non-Canadian passport.) Roman's out still with leukemia; Dean will be gone from WWE by then (if the reports of his departure are true.) No Daniel Bryan (for reasons), no Cena (movies), no Rock or Batista (movies.) Who knows who else is asking or considering asking to opt out of the trip?
WWE now finds itself between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, Saudi Arabia wants its money's worth on the shows with the money it's paid WWE to present. On the other hand, WWE has the spectre of AEW looming large, and a fistful of contracts due to run out with their best-drawing talents. WWE will be paying those people far more to stay _and_ work the SA shows _and_ guarantee certain other perks such as title runs, higher merch percentages, fewer live dates, higher downside pay, etc. Hopefully, WWE has learned its lesson and that, once this deal ends in 2028(?), WWE will make it a policy not to entertain any deals with national governments.
|
|
|
Post by imthewalrus97 on Feb 5, 2019 21:33:51 GMT -5
Disappointed? Disgusted? Cancel your network subscription and don’t buy any WWE products. Don’t give the WWE any of your money. If you continue to then it clearly doesn’t bother you that badly. As fans we can only really fight with our wallets. I haven’t given the WWE a dime in a long time. As a lifelong wrestling fan I still follow the news and watch a little bit of a Raw or Smackdown from time to time but I just can’t be fully invested anymore. It’s just not entertaining enough to me. As a fan I could only take so much disappointment. There are far better alternatives to me in terms of my time, my money and for my own personal happiness. I’m not even talking just wrestling content either. You are free to do what makes you happy or find something that does. I don’t blame anyone for losing interest in WWE at this point. That's exactly what I did. When they decided to hold Crown Jewel and honor that contract with a liar and murderer, I cancelled my subscription and made sure they knew that honoring that contract and associating with bin Salaman. I'm actually surprised that more people didn't contact WWE's sponsors like they did with the Fabulous Moolah Battle Royal at Wrestlemania.
|
|
|
Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 5, 2019 21:36:16 GMT -5
Disappointed? Disgusted? Cancel your network subscription and don’t buy any WWE products. Don’t give the WWE any of your money. If you continue to then it clearly doesn’t bother you that badly. As fans we can only really fight with our wallets. I haven’t given the WWE a dime in a long time. As a lifelong wrestling fan I still follow the news and watch a little bit of a Raw or Smackdown from time to time but I just can’t be fully invested anymore. It’s just not entertaining enough to me. As a fan I could only take so much disappointment. There are far better alternatives to me in terms of my time, my money and for my own personal happiness. I’m not even talking just wrestling content either. You are free to do what makes you happy or find something that does. I don’t blame anyone for losing interest in WWE at this point. That's exactly what I did. When they decided to hold Crown Jewel and honor that contract with a liar and murderer, I cancelled my subscription and made sure they knew that honoring that contract and associating with bin Salaman. I'm actually surprised that more people didn't contact WWE's sponsors like they did with the Fabulous Moolah Battle Royal at Wrestlemania. People tried that for Crown Jewel, and the response was basically "We're not sponsoring this show, so we got nothing to do with it." Besides, most of those companies probably are selling product in KSA too.
|
|
|
Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Feb 5, 2019 21:39:40 GMT -5
Vince, you deserve every inch of bad press you're going get. To put this as nicely as I can: You're a tone deaf f***wit.
So lets pile on the dog shit; Hogan in the main event against That Sumo Guy, They recreate the Andre slam
Ric Flair vs Jeff Jarrett/w Road dogg; 30 minute Iron Man: Match ends with a 20-minute rendition of with my baby
Awaiting more suggestions
|
|
|
Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Feb 5, 2019 21:52:00 GMT -5
Disappointed? Disgusted? Cancel your network subscription and don’t buy any WWE products. Don’t give the WWE any of your money. If you continue to then it clearly doesn’t bother you that badly. As fans we can only really fight with our wallets. I haven’t given the WWE a dime in a long time. As a lifelong wrestling fan I still follow the news and watch a little bit of a Raw or Smackdown from time to time but I just can’t be fully invested anymore. It’s just not entertaining enough to me. As a fan I could only take so much disappointment. There are far better alternatives to me in terms of my time, my money and for my own personal happiness. I’m not even talking just wrestling content either. You are free to do what makes you happy or find something that does. I don’t blame anyone for losing interest in WWE at this point. That's exactly what I did. When they decided to hold Crown Jewel and honor that contract with a liar and murderer, I cancelled my subscription and made sure they knew that honoring that contract and associating with bin Salaman. I'm actually surprised that more people didn't contact WWE's sponsors like they did with the Fabulous Moolah Battle Royal at Wrestlemania. I checked out long before the Saudi deal. I’ve had people tell me that my decision doesn’t matter but it does and so does yours. Look at how concerned they are about ratings. Every little bit counts. It sends them a message that their product isn’t what everyone wants to see. Change is needed. I’m not on some mission to convert people away from WWE either. If people enjoy the WWE and don’t care about how they do business then by all means go ahead and support them. I used to watch regularly for years hoping the product would get better. It never really did and I became a very casual fan. It used to be fun to follow WWE. When it started feeling like a chore it was time for me to do something more worth my time.
|
|
Cranjis McBasketball
Crow T. Robot
Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
Peace Love and Nothing But
Posts: 42,350
|
Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 5, 2019 21:58:32 GMT -5
Just call it WWE: Here Comes the Money!!!!
And be done with it.
|
|
Jake, The Jake, Jake
Dennis Stamp
Will never EVER get a personal title. Ever. Nope. Never. Not a chance. No way, no how.
Posts: 3,743
|
Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Feb 5, 2019 22:17:34 GMT -5
They already went under the worst of circumstances last time so I never suspected this year would be any different. I mean . . . May’s a long way away. Things could get even worse.
|
|
BigAl
Unicron
Hands of the Wicked Banana
Posts: 2,851
|
Post by BigAl on Feb 5, 2019 22:44:02 GMT -5
Let's see - no women, no Finn (openly supporting the LGBTQ+ dommunity), no Canadians (no Sami, no KO, no Jinder unless he has dual citizenship and flies in on a non-Canadian passport.) Roman's out still with leukemia; Dean will be gone from WWE by then (if the reports of his departure are true.) No Daniel Bryan (for reasons), no Cena (movies), no Rock or Batista (movies.) Who knows who else is asking or considering asking to opt out of the trip? WWE now finds itself between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, Saudi Arabia wants its money's worth on the shows with the money it's paid WWE to present. On the other hand, WWE has the spectre of AEW looming large, and a fistful of contracts due to run out with their best-drawing talents. WWE will be paying those people far more to stay _and_ work the SA shows _and_ guarantee certain other perks such as title runs, higher merch percentages, fewer live dates, higher downside pay, etc. Hopefully, WWE has learned its lesson and that, once this deal ends in 2028(?), WWE will make it a policy not to entertain any deals with national governments. Not trying to stir anything up but another talent that I'm not sure if he could even show up is Mustafa Ali. He is a Muslim so I don't know if that would be a problem if he shows up in Saudi Arabia? I know Sami Zayn is and that's why he didn't show up the last time right?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 22:49:33 GMT -5
Let's see - no women, no Finn (openly supporting the LGBTQ+ dommunity), no Canadians (no Sami, no KO, no Jinder unless he has dual citizenship and flies in on a non-Canadian passport.) Roman's out still with leukemia; Dean will be gone from WWE by then (if the reports of his departure are true.) No Daniel Bryan (for reasons), no Cena (movies), no Rock or Batista (movies.) Who knows who else is asking or considering asking to opt out of the trip? WWE now finds itself between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, Saudi Arabia wants its money's worth on the shows with the money it's paid WWE to present. On the other hand, WWE has the spectre of AEW looming large, and a fistful of contracts due to run out with their best-drawing talents. WWE will be paying those people far more to stay _and_ work the SA shows _and_ guarantee certain other perks such as title runs, higher merch percentages, fewer live dates, higher downside pay, etc. Hopefully, WWE has learned its lesson and that, once this deal ends in 2028(?), WWE will make it a policy not to entertain any deals with national governments. Not trying to stir anything up but another talent that I'm not sure if he could even show up is Mustafa Ali. He is a Muslim so I don't know if that would be a problem if he shows up in Saudi Arabia? I know Sami Zayn is and that's why he didn't show up the last time right? The issue with Sami was his support for the people of Syria, it's not specifically his religion. Mustafa Ali is Pakistani and it and Saudi Arabia are close allies so he probably wouldn't be an issue for them.
|
|
|
Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 5, 2019 22:51:10 GMT -5
Disappointed? Disgusted? Cancel your network subscription and don’t buy any WWE products. Don’t give the WWE any of your money. If you continue to then it clearly doesn’t bother you that badly. As fans we can only really fight with our wallets. I haven’t given the WWE a dime in a long time. As a lifelong wrestling fan I still follow the news and watch a little bit of a Raw or Smackdown from time to time but I just can’t be fully invested anymore. It’s just not entertaining enough to me. As a fan I could only take so much disappointment. There are far better alternatives to me in terms of my time, my money and for my own personal happiness. I’m not even talking just wrestling content either. You are free to do what makes you happy or find something that does. I don’t blame anyone for losing interest in WWE at this point. That's exactly what I did. When they decided to hold Crown Jewel and honor that contract with a liar and murderer, I cancelled my subscription and made sure they knew that honoring that contract and associating with bin Salaman. I'm actually surprised that more people didn't contact WWE's sponsors like they did with the Fabulous Moolah Battle Royal at Wrestlemania. They did. M&M Mars responded with "we are not sponsoring the event and are not involved." Since the only people sponsoring this show are the Saudis.
|
|
nisidhe
Hank Scorpio
O Superman....O judge....O Mom and Dad....
Posts: 5,760
|
Post by nisidhe on Feb 5, 2019 22:52:36 GMT -5
Let's see - no women, no Finn (openly supporting the LGBTQ+ dommunity), no Canadians (no Sami, no KO, no Jinder unless he has dual citizenship and flies in on a non-Canadian passport.) Roman's out still with leukemia; Dean will be gone from WWE by then (if the reports of his departure are true.) No Daniel Bryan (for reasons), no Cena (movies), no Rock or Batista (movies.) Who knows who else is asking or considering asking to opt out of the trip? WWE now finds itself between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, Saudi Arabia wants its money's worth on the shows with the money it's paid WWE to present. On the other hand, WWE has the spectre of AEW looming large, and a fistful of contracts due to run out with their best-drawing talents. WWE will be paying those people far more to stay _and_ work the SA shows _and_ guarantee certain other perks such as title runs, higher merch percentages, fewer live dates, higher downside pay, etc. Hopefully, WWE has learned its lesson and that, once this deal ends in 2028(?), WWE will make it a policy not to entertain any deals with national governments. Not trying to stir anything up but another talent that I'm not sure if he could even show up is Mustafa Ali. He is a Muslim so I don't know if that would be a problem if he shows up in Saudi Arabia? I know Sami Zayn is and that's why he didn't show up the last time right? Sami (assuming he returns after Wrestlemania) won't be at any SA shows because a) he's a Canadian citizen; relations between KSA and Canada have deteriorated over the last year because of Canada's protest of the arrest and incarceration of a journalist, and b) he's of Syrian descent when KSA has been a prime player in the civil war that's rendered Syria to near ashes. Mustafa Ali is of Pakistani descent but was born in Chicago. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have been close historically, but we don't know the circumstances under which Ali's ancestors came to the US nor whether he would be welcomed by the Saudis. I don't recall there being any issues previously, though, so it's possible he'll go.
|
|
|
Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 5, 2019 22:52:57 GMT -5
Not trying to stir anything up but another talent that I'm not sure if he could even show up is Mustafa Ali. He is a Muslim so I don't know if that would be a problem if he shows up in Saudi Arabia? I know Sami Zayn is and that's why he didn't show up the last time right? The issue with Sami was his support of Syria, it's not specifically his religion. Mustafa Ali is Pakistani and it and Saudi Arabia are close allies so he probably wouldn't be an issue for them. Yeah, it's because Sami is Syrian not because he is Muslim. Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country.
|
|
|
Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 5, 2019 22:55:37 GMT -5
Let's see - no women, no Finn (openly supporting the LGBTQ+ dommunity), no Canadians (no Sami, no KO, no Jinder unless he has dual citizenship and flies in on a non-Canadian passport.) Roman's out still with leukemia; Dean will be gone from WWE by then (if the reports of his departure are true.) No Daniel Bryan (for reasons), no Cena (movies), no Rock or Batista (movies.) Who knows who else is asking or considering asking to opt out of the trip? WWE now finds itself between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, Saudi Arabia wants its money's worth on the shows with the money it's paid WWE to present. On the other hand, WWE has the spectre of AEW looming large, and a fistful of contracts due to run out with their best-drawing talents. WWE will be paying those people far more to stay _and_ work the SA shows _and_ guarantee certain other perks such as title runs, higher merch percentages, fewer live dates, higher downside pay, etc. Hopefully, WWE has learned its lesson and that, once this deal ends in 2028(?), WWE will make it a policy not to entertain any deals with national governments. They still have plenty of talent that can work the shows though, even with no women, no Canadians, or people with moral conflicts. Crown Jewel ran with less than 20 guys on the card, most of them in a tournament which is an ideal format for dragging a few hours worth of TV with a skeleton crew. No reason they can't just do that again.
|
|
|
Post by darbus alan on Feb 5, 2019 23:01:00 GMT -5
Not trying to stir anything up but another talent that I'm not sure if he could even show up is Mustafa Ali. He is a Muslim so I don't know if that would be a problem if he shows up in Saudi Arabia? I know Sami Zayn is and that's why he didn't show up the last time right? The issue with Sami was his support of Syria, it's not specifically his religion. Mustafa Ali is Pakistani and it and Saudi Arabia are close allies so he probably wouldn't be an issue for them. Whoa whoa whoa. Sami supports relief efforts for civilians and refugees caught in the middle of the Syrian conflict. He does NOT support the current regime in control of Syria.
But yeah, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are close allies. Besides, Ali's Pakistani heritage doesn't really come up with his character anyway.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 23:03:16 GMT -5
The issue with Sami was his support of Syria, it's not specifically his religion. Mustafa Ali is Pakistani and it and Saudi Arabia are close allies so he probably wouldn't be an issue for them. Whoa whoa whoa. Sami supports relief efforts for civilians and refugees caught in the middle of the Syrian conflict. He does NOT support the current regime in control of Syria. But yeah, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are close allies. Besides, Ali's Pakistani heritage doesn't really come up with his character anyway.
Yeah, that's what I meant, I just phrased it poorly.
|
|
Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
Posts: 18,518
|
Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 5, 2019 23:06:18 GMT -5
Okay, this has been gnawing at me for a while.
Yes, it sucks where they’re getting the money, but......
What about the wrestling fans in the country.
I abhor the notion that the people of the country should be demonized, they have just as much right to enjoy a wrestling show as anyone else.
I look at it as WWE stealing money from some shitty people while trying to entertain their fans in that country.
It’s a delicate balance, and they haven’t handled it nearly as well as they should, but should the fans in that country not get to enjoy a wrestling show too?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 23:08:53 GMT -5
Okay, this has been gnawing at me for a while. Yes, it sucks where they’re getting the money, but...... What about the wrestling fans in the country. I abhor the notion that the people of the country should be demonized, they have just as much right to enjoy a wrestling show as anyone else. I look at it as WWE stealing money from some shitty people while trying to entertain their fans in that country. It’s a delicate balance, and they haven’t handled it nearly as well as they should, but should the fans in that country not get to enjoy a wrestling show too? The issue is that these shows really have nothing to do with the people of the country. They're arranged for by the government basically entirely for those in power and to serve as propaganda about the country becoming more progressive and modern. WWE choosing to run shows there of their own accord there I'd find maybe a bit questionable due to the timing but wouldn't necessarily take that much issue with. That's not what this is.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 23:14:55 GMT -5
Bryan didn't go last time and rather than being punished he got a title run and a heel turn he'd angled for (maybe Vince respected his grit) with that in mind plus the AEW alternative on the horizon I suspect more talent might opt to stay home.
|
|
|
Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Feb 5, 2019 23:19:23 GMT -5
Ugh, are we going to have one of these threads before each Saudi event? With everyone bitching about what a shitty place Saudi Arabia is and how awful Vince and Co. are?
The world revolves around money. If you have enough of it, people look away from the shitty things you're doing.
I don't blame any talent who don't want to go or people who won't watch it because of what kind of Country Saudi Arabia is, but as long as they keep shelling out the cash then WWE will continue to go back.
|
|