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Post by Long A, Short A on Feb 12, 2019 23:12:41 GMT -5
Mozenrath, The people I'm hinting at had a strange mix of both. "Twitter's blocking people that just want to defend them~!~!~" "Those investigations weren't done the right way~!~!~" Who know, maybe I have my own things to sort out...
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 12, 2019 23:16:27 GMT -5
His defenders are some of the worst people. They keep will all rush in and dog pile whenever they get word of someone bad mouthing him. And they keep trying to frame the narrative of these accusations as simply being about unwanted hugs. When obviously there is a very long list of other things. They also keep accusing voice actress Monica Rial of "capitalizing " on this situations. Which makes no sense since she is basically risking her career, and being harassed by Vic's fans. Why do these people think that jackass is worth defending? Just because he’s the voice of some stupid character? A lot of these guys have this narrative built up in their head that every notable man has people waiting with bated breath for them to slip up, so that callout culture can strip the meat off of their bones. Like, yeah, sometimes people do love to be vultures and swoop in, but there is, what, 10-15 years of people saying to stay away from Vic? And some of the accusations go back further. It just finally caught up to him. These people hound these women for weeks, and they seriously, in the same breath as calling them whores, etc, will say they wanted this attention, that they wanted fame and some kind of payout. They're delusional, and they are fiercely protective of the idea that if you are big enough or powerful enough, you should be able to do whatever you really want to.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 12, 2019 23:22:37 GMT -5
Like I've said, this isn't exactly anything new for anyone keeping tabs on this sorta thing, either. Vic Mignogna's had sleazy rumors and innuendos swirling around him for over a decade. He's been popular and media savvy enough, along with being on his best behavior at some of the big name cons, where he was able to successfully deflect the negative attention. Just now we're seeing actual accusations and even some video evidence come out instead of merely hearsay.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 12, 2019 23:31:01 GMT -5
Like I've said, this isn't exactly anything new for anyone keeping tabs on this sorta thing, either. Vic Mignogna's had sleazy rumors and innuendos swirling around him for over a decade. He's been popular and media savvy enough, along with being on his best behavior at some of the big name cons, where he was able to successfully deflect the negative attention. Just now we're seeing actual accusations and even some video evidence come out instead of merely hearsay. He also definitely deliberately curated a fanbase who are die-hards. At the time, and maybe initially, it was to stoke his ego, but it has also insulated him for years from criticism. Case in point: if you ever want to find a bunch of takes on him over the years, you could probably find it by searching "Vic Bologna" or "Vic Lasagna", which of course is derision, but it was also to try to not get dogpiled by his rabid horde. The only reason people can speak more openly now is because of Twitter pretty much letting people more easily vouch for each other, even if it's also making it easier for rabid fans to attack the people sticking their necks out. Thankfully, professionals are doing it, too, which is helping lend credence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 23:34:52 GMT -5
His defenders are some of the worst people. They keep will all rush in and dog pile whenever they get word of someone bad mouthing him. And they keep trying to frame the narrative of these accusations as simply being about unwanted hugs. When obviously there is a very long list of other things. They also keep accusing voice actress Monica Rial of "capitalizing " on this situations. Which makes no sense since she is basically risking her career, and being harassed by Vic's fans. Why do these people think that jackass is worth defending? Just because he’s the voice of some stupid character? Two reasons; 1. He was the dubbed voice of their favorite character, so their fandom goes over decency. It's the Jeremy Clarkson situation all over again, if Clarkson voiced anime characters, and was most known for a brute with a brain of a peanut. 2. They're the types of people who complain a lot about "SJWs" ruining everything because we can't live in an age of a "boy's club" mentality.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Feb 12, 2019 23:41:06 GMT -5
His defenders are some of the worst people. They keep will all rush in and dog pile whenever they get word of someone bad mouthing him. And they keep trying to frame the narrative of these accusations as simply being about unwanted hugs. When obviously there is a very long list of other things. They also keep accusing voice actress Monica Rial of "capitalizing " on this situations. Which makes no sense since she is basically risking her career, and being harassed by Vic's fans. He may be guilty, but the way Monica Rial is acting on Twitter is ridiculous. Even when people aren’t harassing her and asking genuine questions she responds with a copy & paste reply about how she’s going to report them to her lawyer, police department and homeland security. Some of these people she’s saying this too are kids.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 13, 2019 5:43:06 GMT -5
His defenders are some of the worst people. They keep will all rush in and dog pile whenever they get word of someone bad mouthing him. And they keep trying to frame the narrative of these accusations as simply being about unwanted hugs. When obviously there is a very long list of other things. They also keep accusing voice actress Monica Rial of "capitalizing " on this situations. Which makes no sense since she is basically risking her career, and being harassed by Vic's fans. He may be guilty, but the way Monica Rial is acting on Twitter is ridiculous. Even when people aren’t harassing her and asking genuine questions she responds with a copy & paste reply about how she’s going to report them to her lawyer, police department and homeland security. Some of these people she’s saying this too are kids. I'll play Devil's advocate; considering how horrible some of the things people are sending her must be, it's understandable for her to be a little reactionary. I mean the types of people harassing her are quite often psychotic. I guarantee she's getting death threats all because she spoke out about their precious Vic-sempai. one thing I've learned aboout the internet is that it's a haven for mouth breathing, potentially dangerous nutbags.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Feb 13, 2019 6:14:37 GMT -5
He may be guilty, but the way Monica Rial is acting on Twitter is ridiculous. Even when people aren’t harassing her and asking genuine questions she responds with a copy & paste reply about how she’s going to report them to her lawyer, police department and homeland security. Some of these people she’s saying this too are kids. I'll play Devil's advocate; considering how horrible some of the things people are sending her must be, it's understandable for her to be a little reactionary. I mean the types of people harassing her are quite often psychotic. I guarantee she's getting death threats all because she spoke out about their precious Vic-sempai. one thing I've learned aboout the internet is that it's a haven for mouth breathing, potentially dangerous nutbags. There’s screenshots from multiple places like Facebook pages and YouTube comments that feature people planning their best way to harass Monica at conventions. Which is just....no.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 13, 2019 8:03:30 GMT -5
At the last con I was at where he was at, he was ok. But I got a real weird feeling with him, like he didn't really have much respect for anyone's boundaries. I saw a video where he jumped on a dude's shoulders at a panel with his crotch rubbing against the back of his neck. And you can tell the dude just looked like, really uncomfortable about the whole thing. It probably gets more of a pass at cons because they can be intimate venues where guests can get weird or work blue compared to regular spaces. But Vic always seemed to hover around the line between quirky and creepy, crossing into creepy more than a few tmes. Also, he's pretty homophobic, too. He usually made excuses for it or brushed it off as just not liking Edward yaoi fanart but it was always "where there's smoke, there's fire" things. Just like the creepy behavior.
I will say though that the vast majority of English VA's I've met at cons have been delights to meet and talk to. Scum like Vic Mignogna and Scott Freeman are the exception.
Well I wouldn't compare him to Scott Freeman (or Illich Guardiola *shudder*) but yeah this has been a long time coming from the sound of things. It's a shame because Vic is a serious talent and he's voiced a lot of my favorite anime characters but Yeah, I'm not going to defend him here. Exactly. Just because I enjoyed his work as Edward Elric doesn't mean my attachment to the character allows me to excuse any of the crap Vic the person's committed.
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Post by Malcolm on Feb 13, 2019 10:13:41 GMT -5
His defenders are some of the worst people. They keep will all rush in and dog pile whenever they get word of someone bad mouthing him. And they keep trying to frame the narrative of these accusations as simply being about unwanted hugs. When obviously there is a very long list of other things. They also keep accusing voice actress Monica Rial of "capitalizing " on this situations. Which makes no sense since she is basically risking her career, and being harassed by Vic's fans. "Where's the evidence?!" is rich considering, A. testimony is in fact evidence (and no, is not hearsay, which is second-hand and even that is sometimes admissible in a case), B. this is not a criminal trial and odds are he'll probably have a Patreon or equivalent for some of these morons to throw money at if they wish, and C. a ton of these are the same people who believed with every fiber of their being that a woman f***ed dudes for reviews who hadn't even reviewed the game because an imageboard told them so.It still pisses me off that the jerk who started that mess in the first place essentially got off scot free while a lot of other people needlessly suffered.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Feb 13, 2019 11:46:23 GMT -5
Like I've said, this isn't exactly anything new for anyone keeping tabs on this sorta thing, either. Vic Mignogna's had sleazy rumors and innuendos swirling around him for over a decade. He's been popular and media savvy enough, along with being on his best behavior at some of the big name cons, where he was able to successfully deflect the negative attention. Just now we're seeing actual accusations and even some video evidence come out instead of merely hearsay. He also definitely deliberately curated a fanbase who are die-hards. At the time, and maybe initially, it was to stoke his ego, but it has also insulated him for years from criticism. Case in point: if you ever want to find a bunch of takes on him over the years, you could probably find it by searching "Vic Bologna" or "Vic Lasagna", which of course is derision, but it was also to try to not get dogpiled by his rabid horde. The only reason people can speak more openly now is because of Twitter pretty much letting people more easily vouch for each other, even if it's also making it easier for rabid fans to attack the people sticking their necks out. Thankfully, professionals are doing it, too, which is helping lend credence. Vic Lasagna? So was he turned into lasagna and eaten by Garfield? That would be a morbid episode of Garfield & Friends.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 14, 2019 14:57:41 GMT -5
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 14, 2019 15:04:15 GMT -5
To be honest, the guy who plays Natsu Dragneel in the Fairy Tail dub is basically the same voice and apparently not a creep.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 14, 2019 15:09:16 GMT -5
To be honest, the guy who plays Natsu Dragneel in the Fairy Tail dub is basically the same voice and apparently not a creep. He's also an action figure youtu.be/wRWr-fwjovgAs for Vic's apology... It's not for me to tell anyone else how to feel about the man but I really wish more people caught up in these kinds of things would show the humility and remorse he's shown here. Someone should send this to Hogan and tell him that this is how you apologize.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 14, 2019 15:15:26 GMT -5
I don't buy it, personally. Only because he's been one to shed crocodile tears before when called out previously.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 20:11:46 GMT -5
I really don't buy it for a second but if it gets his idiot defenders to knock it off then I'll take it.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 14, 2019 20:35:17 GMT -5
Wait, this guy voiced Junpei in Persona 3 right? Very much not the man.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 21:22:39 GMT -5
Only really know Mignogna as Broly, and while I've enjoyed his work in that role it's not like he's irreplaceable. Shame about his behavior but I hope his apology is genuine and that he works to redeem himself.
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Post by markymark on Feb 15, 2019 15:37:03 GMT -5
Well at least he went out in a big way with the Broly Movie, but still he got the Benoit treatment by Funi.
And tbh Funi dub isnt exactly filled with angels or saints.
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