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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 12, 2019 17:50:38 GMT -5
I dont want to sound negative but I wouldnt be surprised if fans changed the channel the moment Charlotte replaced Becky. She hasn't seemed to do a thing to the ratings, so I find that unlikely.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 12, 2019 18:02:02 GMT -5
Keep chasing the viewers away, Vinny. You know better than anyone’s else.
Vince is going to leave Linda for Dixie because he likes the way she handles a viewership dip.
“Quit hating”.
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Post by Perd on Feb 12, 2019 18:06:21 GMT -5
The biggest problem remains the show being boring. It’s all steak and no sizzle.
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Post by Jokaine on Feb 12, 2019 18:26:41 GMT -5
Am I the only person who noticed Raw had the three top rated hours of cable last TV last night?
It appears the only non-news program that drew within 900,000 viewers of Raw's lowest hour was the impressively-high Virginia-UNC game last night (which was more than a 500,000 million viewers more than watched last Monday's game in the same timeslot).
That seems like pertinent information when discussing TV ratings and viewership.
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Post by 111111 on Feb 12, 2019 18:30:13 GMT -5
Everytime I try and watch raw I make it about an hour and I usually spend most thst hour distracted by my phone.
It just feels lifeless and generic and has done for years. I do think some of the changes they've made have been in the right direction but irs too little too late.
Even on a mediocre weak smacdkwon doesn't straight up bore me like raw does.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:30:33 GMT -5
Am I the only person who noticed Raw had the three top rated hours of cable last TV last night? It appears the only non-news program that drew within 900,000 viewers of Raw's lowest hour was the impressively-high Virginia-UNC game last night (which was more than a 500,000 million viewers more than watched last Monday's game in the same timeslot). That seems like pertinent information when discussing TV ratings and viewership. The big issues with it are that... 1. Advertisers have a poor opinion of wrestling and as such it tends to do poorly. Even being rated higher than other shows, those other shows are making more money; the biggest advantage Raw and SmackDown have for USA is that they help shore up the network's average and keep it as the number one cable channel. Fox is looking to try to change this perception when they get SmackDown, but that's going to be difficult to do if the show's still hemorrhaging viewers by that point. 2. It speaks to an issue of the company's longterm health. The fact of the matter is that WWE is both failing to keep existing viewers engaged and failing to attract new ones. They're far from dying in the moment but it raises the question of the company's longterm sustainability.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 12, 2019 18:32:14 GMT -5
Has it occurred to anyone that basing most of the WM build around the Raw women's title as opposed to the Universal title or the WWE title is a horrifically bad idea in terms of ratings? If someone isn't interested in that it's not like you can watch SD to escape it either, since it kinda spans both shows. If I loathe Lesnar at least I can watch an actual world champion on SD.
I wouldn't be shocked if people tuned out during that sleep inducing 6 man tag. WWE has got to book tag stuff better, especially these 6-8 man tags. That match was literally "Heels kick the crap out of Angle for 10 minutes, he finally tags Balor, heels kick the crap out of Balor for 10 minutes, etc." Can we please have more back and forth action? Let the faces actually get some offense? The main roster WWE producers are flat out awful when it comes to laying out matches.
Anyway, Charlotte can't really be blamed for this. She literally came out in the last minute or two. Now next week's rating after they pulled that crap? Oh man, it won't be pretty, even coming off a PPV.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 18:36:29 GMT -5
I dont want to sound negative but I wouldnt be surprised if fans changed the channel the moment Charlotte replaced Becky. She hasn't seemed to do a thing to the ratings, so I find that unlikely. Also Charlotte apeared at the very end,they wouldnt even register it
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 12, 2019 18:37:19 GMT -5
How depressing is it that just one year ago Raw's third hour was higher than yesterday's first? It will only get worse until this company has no choice but to start kicking some management/creative people to the curb. If the TV network were smart they should have some kind of "out clause" to their contract. You can't sweep problems under the rug forever. Everything sees the light of day. The company should have been doing that forever ago. If they haven't done it by now I legit never see them forcing themselves to fix their product with an abrupt overhaul in the "heads will roll" way. They're gonna continue to do small things in hopes that's the key, and at times it'll improve for a bit, but rather than do what's needed and assign the blame where it belongs the viewerbase will continue to dwindle, all the while blaming the fans for the problem in the first place. The best hope for quick change will be when SDL goes to FOX and WWE decides they need to impress the new group of potential casual viewers they're gonna have access to. WWE will mostly be in a holding pattern until then.
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Post by gl83 on Feb 12, 2019 18:38:26 GMT -5
Has it occurred to anyone that basing most of the WM build around the Raw women's title as opposed to the Universal title or the WWE title is a horrifically bad idea in terms of ratings? If someone isn't interested in that it's not like you can watch SD to escape it either, since it kinda spans both shows. If I loathe Lesnar at least I can watch an actual world champion on SD. I wouldn't be shocked if people tuned out during that sleep inducing 6 man tag. WWE has got to book tag stuff better, especially these 6-8 man tags. That match was literally "Heels kick the crap out of Angle for 10 minutes, he finally tags Balor, heels kick the crap out of Balor for 10 minutes, etc." Can we please have more back and forth action? Let the faces actually get some offense? The main roster WWE producers are flat out awful when it comes to laying out matches. Anyway, Charlotte can't really be blamed for this. She literally came out in the last minute or two. Now next week's rating after they pulled that crap? Oh man, it won't be pretty, even coming off a PPV. It's not like Raw will get a major post-PPV boost since most of the major PPV matches are on Smackdown's side.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 12, 2019 18:40:24 GMT -5
She hasn't seemed to do a thing to the ratings, so I find that unlikely. Also Charlotte apeared at the very end,they wouldnt even register it It'll affect next week's rating though. Seeing if there's a noticeable drop off from this week will be telling on if the fans are willing to play along with this whole Becky/Ronda/Charlotte stuff or not.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 18:41:39 GMT -5
Also Charlotte apeared at the very end,they wouldnt even register it It'll affect next week's rating though. Seeing if there's a noticeable drop off from this week will be telling on if the fans are willing to play along with this whole Becky/Ronda/Charlotte stuff or not. I mean,i'm anti-Charlotte, but we always say no one moves the needle.It is not fair to blame Charlotte herself if anything happens.
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Post by Doctor No on Feb 12, 2019 18:41:53 GMT -5
The biggest problem remains the show being boring. It’s all steak and no sizzle. Reverse that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:45:39 GMT -5
It'll affect next week's rating though. Seeing if there's a noticeable drop off from this week will be telling on if the fans are willing to play along with this whole Becky/Ronda/Charlotte stuff or not. I mean,i'm anti-Charlotte, but we always say no one moves the needle.It is not fair to blame Charlotte herself if anything happens. I think it depends on what to degree. If they're just down like 30,000 for next week's first hour or something then yeah, whatever. If they drop like 200,000 then I think it's pretty obvious what the issue is. That said I feel like the first is vastly more likely.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 18:48:39 GMT -5
I mean,i'm anti-Charlotte, but we always say no one moves the needle.It is not fair to blame Charlotte herself if anything happens. I think it depends on what to degree. If they're just down like 30,000 for next week's first hour or something then yeah, whatever. If they drop like 200,000 then I think it's pretty obvious what the issue is. That said I feel like the first is vastly more likely. I mean,I still defend that it just means Charlotte would have no place in the story. Not that she is a bad player by itself. But yeh I expect a meaningless positive/negative change.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 12, 2019 21:58:31 GMT -5
More people need to stop watching. Ratings in the 2's is still too high of a number for them to illicit any true significant change. The only way they will be forced to change their product is if ratings started dipping down into the 1's. Which will never happen because people never truly tune out from the product in order for that to transpire.
I can see the WWE actually attempting to "change" at some point to bring fans back and then return to form of staleness.
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Post by Jokaine on Feb 13, 2019 17:32:22 GMT -5
Am I the only person who noticed Raw had the three top rated hours of cable last TV last night? It appears the only non-news program that drew within 900,000 viewers of Raw's lowest hour was the impressively-high Virginia-UNC game last night (which was more than a 500,000 million viewers more than watched last Monday's game in the same timeslot). That seems like pertinent information when discussing TV ratings and viewership. The big issues with it are that... 1. Advertisers have a poor opinion of wrestling and as such it tends to do poorly. Even being rated higher than other shows, those other shows are making more money; the biggest advantage Raw and SmackDown have for USA is that they help shore up the network's average and keep it as the number one cable channel. Fox is looking to try to change this perception when they get SmackDown, but that's going to be difficult to do if the show's still hemorrhaging viewers by that point. 2. It speaks to an issue of the company's longterm health. The fact of the matter is that WWE is both failing to keep existing viewers engaged and failing to attract new ones. They're far from dying in the moment but it raises the question of the company's longterm sustainability. Not trying to argue with you but, 1) Raw and SD don't help shore up USA's average. They carry the network. And regardless of advertisers views of wrestling, two unrelated networks just gave WWE distribution deals that smashed even the highest of expectations. 2) I find it odd to question the long term health of a company that increases revenue year- over- year and last year operated at nearly a 12 percent profit.
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