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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 18:49:16 GMT -5
I was having a brief talk with a friend about this and for me one of the biggest differences atleast to me that will always keep me from ever comparing Becky to Austin on any level is that Becky's act....is just that ...an act there I do not feel a hint of legitamecy in that Becky would absoloutley slap the heads off of everyone. Where as Austin...everytime he walked out you felt and knew that there wasn't a gawd damn thing anyone could do and would storm the gates of hell to beat the ass of anyone who crossed him and you believed it every single gawd damn time. Apparently Becky's the nicest person ever IRL, but I do think there's a lot of the real person in the current character. She's been genuinely frustrated with the way things have gone for her in the company, and that's why her promos are so good. Austin's intensity just can't be matched, though. Oh I don't doubt her frustration she has always been the ....oh that girl of the nxt 4H but I was more refering to her act as this world beater and people trying to make the Austin comparison which to me I do not see because as I said the biggest difference to me will always be....Becky is acting as a badass where with Austin you don't doubt it.
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Post by Doctor No on Feb 18, 2019 18:51:21 GMT -5
Prime/Breaking through Austin didn’t play as a tribute act. Becky is kinda turning into a Austin tribute act, even down to people wanting her to do the stunner.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Feb 18, 2019 18:54:31 GMT -5
Becky doesn't swear as much and doesn't give people the fingerand drink a bunch of beer?
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Feb 18, 2019 18:56:22 GMT -5
I was having a brief talk with a friend about this and for me one of the biggest differences atleast to me that will always keep me from ever comparing Becky to Austin on any level is that Becky's act....is just that ...an act there I do not feel a hint of legitamecy in that Becky would absoloutley slap the heads off of everyone. Where as Austin...everytime he walked out you felt and knew that there wasn't a gawd damn thing anyone could do and would storm the gates of hell to beat the ass of anyone who crossed him and you believed it every single gawd damn time. I just watched Austin's Survivor Series 1996 promos ("Sunglasses and sparklers. What a load of crap.") and...yeah. Becky's a very entertaining character but you FELT that Austin just wanted to kill everyone in his path.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 18:57:42 GMT -5
I was having a brief talk with a friend about this and for me one of the biggest differences atleast to me that will always keep me from ever comparing Becky to Austin on any level is that Becky's act....is just that ...an act there I do not feel a hint of legitamecy in that Becky would absoloutley slap the heads off of everyone. Where as Austin...everytime he walked out you felt and knew that there wasn't a gawd damn thing anyone could do and would storm the gates of hell to beat the ass of anyone who crossed him and you believed it every single gawd damn time. I just watched Austin's Survivor Series 1996 promos ("Sunglasses and sparklers. What a load of crap.") and...yeah. Becky's a very entertaining character but you FELT that Austin just wanted to kill everyone in his path. Those are probably my favorite wrestling promos ever, honestly.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 18, 2019 19:05:27 GMT -5
Don't you bring that garbage in here. What?
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Post by schma on Feb 18, 2019 19:06:13 GMT -5
I was having a brief talk with a friend about this and for me one of the biggest differences atleast to me that will always keep me from ever comparing Becky to Austin on any level is that Becky's act....is just that ...an act there I do not feel a hint of legitamecy in that Becky would absoloutley slap the heads off of everyone. Where as Austin...everytime he walked out you felt and knew that there wasn't a gawd damn thing anyone could do and would storm the gates of hell to beat the ass of anyone who crossed him and you believed it every single gawd damn time. I just watched Austin's Survivor Series 1996 promos ("Sunglasses and sparklers. What a load of crap.") and...yeah. Becky's a very entertaining character but you FELT that Austin just wanted to kill everyone in his path. It'd be interesting to see what Becky could do if they suddenly abandoned the PG rating. You can do a lot of great storytelling within PG but she'll never quite touch full Austin because he was able to do and say things then that would be unthinkable now. That said, I do love the direction she's going but I hope they don't try to make her a carbon copy. She's far better served being Becky.
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Post by schma on Feb 18, 2019 19:07:36 GMT -5
Don't you bring that garbage in here. What? Everyone talks about how Ric Flair has been tarnishing his legacy for years and years and years but Austin's What chant has tarnished his legacy, tarnished crowd chants, probably tarnished all of wrestling.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Feb 18, 2019 19:16:01 GMT -5
To me the most major difference between the two was that Austin reflected the cultural zeitgeist of Gen-X. I don't think the character would have had the same mainstream appeal any other time. Becky doesn't really have that. She's not a clear representation of any clear modern day social trends. Instead like a Daniel Bryan, her appeal is still very niche to pro wrestling fans. I'd say the rise in prominence of the womens' division is very much in line with emerging pop culture trends. Less so Becky herself, though her overall arc of "tries to be nice, repeatedly gets f***ed over, finally snaps and decides she's not taking shit from anyone anymore" is certainly more relatable than the more idealized superwomen like Charlotte and Ronda.
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Post by schma on Feb 18, 2019 19:17:19 GMT -5
What? Everyone talks about how Ric Flair has been tarnishing his legacy for years and years and years but Austin's What chant has tarnished his legacy, tarnished crowd chants, probably tarnished all of wrestling. I'm partly joking, you can totally bring What wherever you want. Different strokes and whatnot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 19:28:17 GMT -5
I agree. But Cole sucks ass and nobody cares what he thinks. So maybe him endorsing her would turn people on her.
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Post by sportatorium on Feb 18, 2019 19:32:46 GMT -5
Becky is still extremely scripted. Also- can you imagine Austin apologizing the Steph & Hunter? Having other wrestlers come up to him and encourage him to apologize? Everyone would have been eating stunners the entire show.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 18, 2019 19:36:53 GMT -5
Becky needs to start chugging cans of Murphy’s after a win.
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Post by Optimax on Feb 18, 2019 19:41:08 GMT -5
Everyone talks about how Ric Flair has been tarnishing his legacy for years and years and years but Austin's What chant has tarnished his legacy, tarnished crowd chants, probably tarnished all of wrestling. I'm partly joking, you can totally bring What wherever you want. Different strokes and whatnot. What?
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Feb 18, 2019 19:44:06 GMT -5
Apparently Becky's the nicest person ever IRL, but I do think there's a lot of the real person in the current character. She's been genuinely frustrated with the way things have gone for her in the company, and that's why her promos are so good. Austin's intensity just can't be matched, though. Oh I don't doubt her frustration she has always been the ....oh that girl of the nxt 4H but I was more refering to her act as this world beater and people trying to make the Austin comparison which to me I do not see because as I said the biggest difference to me will always be....Becky is acting as a badass where with Austin you don't doubt it. I couldn't agree more. I think that's the problem with some wrestlers these days is they're trying to "find their character" because most of them are just nice men and women who are huge nerds who loved wrestling as kids and they're having to portray something else on TV. There's the cliche of the "real" person being cranked up to 11 making a good character but when the real you is just a regular person then there's nothing to crank. Maybe the internet has them overexposed by social media so we know more about the "real" them but still. Like we know Brock is REALLY a legit fighter who doesn't give a shit so he's believable. He's not pretending to be anything. Becky's old character of the smiley lady who liked corny jokes was seemingly the "real" her rather than her current thing so the renegade badass schtick is kinda hard to buy sometimes even though she's doing a pretty good job. Not to say she isn't tough or anything cos the image of her standing there smiling covered in blood with a broken face was epic but still. It's not really a diss since I don't think ANYONE will EVER come close to half the believability of Austin.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 18, 2019 20:02:28 GMT -5
To me the most major difference between the two was that Austin reflected the cultural zeitgeist of Gen-X. I don't think the character would have had the same mainstream appeal any other time. Becky doesn't really have that. She's not a clear representation of any clear modern day social trends. Instead like a Daniel Bryan, her appeal is still very niche to pro wrestling fans. I'd say the rise in prominence of the womens' division is very much in line with emerging pop culture trends. Less so Becky herself, though her overall arc of "tries to be nice, repeatedly gets f***ed over, finally snaps and decides she's not taking shit from anyone anymore" is certainly more relatable than the more idealized superwomen like Charlotte and Ronda. Sure, but so was the Attitude Era as a whole. Except instead of building the branding of it around a McMahon, as has more or less been the case of the recent women's push, they recognised the fact they had a guy who perfectly encompassed the message they wanted to deliver and made him the undisputed figurehead to the point he became bigger than it. At best you can say the women's revolution has been built around Ronda, Charlotte, Becky, Sasha, Bayley, Alexa and Nia. There's no focus to create one top figurehead to carry the brand. In fact if you look at Ronda as an example, I think it's actually diminished her established starpower more than helped it since she first arrived at last years Rumble. She's now part of the crowd of so-so-superstars instead of being head and shoulders bigger than anyone else. I think that in turn has hurt Becky too. Because if Ronda's not the unique top player star of the show, Becky beating her isn't as special as it could be.
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Post by deezy on Feb 18, 2019 20:22:30 GMT -5
I was having a brief talk with a friend about this and for me one of the biggest differences atleast to me that will always keep me from ever comparing Becky to Austin on any level is that Becky's act....is just that ...an act there I do not feel a hint of legitamecy in that Becky would absoloutley slap the heads off of everyone. Where as Austin...everytime he walked out you felt and knew that there wasn't a gawd damn thing anyone could do and would storm the gates of hell to beat the ass of anyone who crossed him and you believed it every single gawd damn time. I agree. Her becoming a badass all of a sudden is just hard to buy. If she would of started her WWE career like this I could believe it more. All of a sudden becoming one kind of waters it down for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 20:23:49 GMT -5
I was having a brief talk with a friend about this and for me one of the biggest differences atleast to me that will always keep me from ever comparing Becky to Austin on any level is that Becky's act....is just that ...an act there I do not feel a hint of legitamecy in that Becky would absoloutley slap the heads off of everyone. Where as Austin...everytime he walked out you felt and knew that there wasn't a gawd damn thing anyone could do and would storm the gates of hell to beat the ass of anyone who crossed him and you believed it every single gawd damn time. I just watched Austin's Survivor Series 1996 promos ("Sunglasses and sparklers. What a load of crap.") and...yeah. Becky's a very entertaining character but you FELT that Austin just wanted to kill everyone in his path. Agreed. No offense to Becky, but Austin 1996-2001 was on a totally different level than anyone, especially 96-97. His promos were some of the grittiest promos you will ever find. It felt real and his delivery was incredible. Plus, Austin from 1996-2000 never was a comedy character eating quinoa and making puns, so suddenly watching him be a foul mouthed ass kicker was more believable. With Becky she definitely is very good on the mic and has a good presence, but part of it still feels like a cosplay because of her earlier stuff (like, literally six months ago when she wasn't a foul mouthed ass kicker). The CM Punk comparison is way more realistic, and that's a pretty high praise for Becky as well, as 2011 Punk was excellent. Female Punk done properly can be money, and Becky is proving that so far.
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Post by schma on Feb 18, 2019 20:53:37 GMT -5
Austin's Stone Cold character was born out of his firing from WCW and his brief sojourn in ECW. Before that he'd been part of a team called the Hollywood Blondes, his moniker was Stunning Steve Austin. When he arrived in the WWE he was the Ringmaster. I get the impression that a lot of people are seeing Stone Cold as the only character he ever was and holding it against Becky that she wasn't the angry asskicker from day one. It's a reasonable transformation, Steve Austin was reasonably successful in WCW, perhaps ready to step to that next level and instead was given a pink slip. He took that anger and over time created the Stone Cold character, catching lightning in a bottle.
Yes the kind awesome punny Becky is still in there. However, I see this as being similar to Mark Henry, someone who by most accounts was a great guy but never really taken all that seriously and often handed ridiculous gimmicks until finally he'd had enough and snapped, much in the way Austin had had enough and became Stone Cold. They followed different trajectories but the core story was the same. They had had enough and were done being the nice guy (or whatever Austin had been before Stone Cold). It resonates because just about everyone has had a moment like that. It might be over in a flash but a moment where they say no, enough.
Becky had that moment at Summerslam and best of all, it was organic. She was the first Smackdown champion and was nice lovable Becky Balboa. Then came along mean girl Alexa who took her title. On the other show mean girl Charlotte constantly had the title in her hands apart from brief losses. Becky kept at it though, kept working hard but one by one, so many other women stepped to the front of the line. The first Smackdown Women's champion was forgotten by management, forced to be content playing second or third fiddle to other faces despite the fans still being with her. Her rock bottom was her losing streak but she turned that around. She once again found her determination and rose up, beating nearly every member of her roster to grind her way back to the top, back to the front of the line. She made a point (can't remember if it was before or after Summerslam) that it had been almost two years since she'd had a one on one title match. Basically since she'd lost her title to Alexa. That was insane when you think about how over she was and how over she stayed. Meanwhile, her best friend the previous mean girl of Raw was granted a title shot within a week or two of showing up. I suspect it was no coincidence that Becky's return to prominence coincided with her friend being injured and taking time off. Her long arduous climb to the top was finally realized when she beat the champion and secured a match for the title...only for her friend to show up a week later and do the same. The thing is, if Charlotte had gotten a separate title shot, she and Becky might still be friends but no, management saw fit to once again deny Becky the one on one title shot she had busted her ass for months to earn. They made it a triple threat and then when Becky had the match won, her friend Charlotte swooped in and stole it.
That was it, Becky had done everything right, she had worked hard, she had the fans on her side, she had jumped through every hoop but here was she was left empty handed yet again and worse, it was her friend who made that happen. Not only that, one could argue that management was just as much to blame for Becky's woes. In that instant she realized, they had no interest in Becky Balboa. No they wanted dominant mean girls, vicious champions who would stop at nothing to keep the belt. They wanted someone who demanded their space and she gave them that and then some. She levelled her friend and started on a path that led to her realized she had to stop worrying about making others look good, elevating others and make herself look good. It was the only way for her to force the management to give her the respect she deserved.
TLDR This is my super longwinded way of saying that this Becky character isn't all of a sudden. This has been a slow burn that has been building for over a year, potentially over two years. Yes the catalyst might have seemed all of a sudden to some but no, the fuel was there and had been there for a long time. There was nothing sudden about Becky's level up, about her change in attitude.
I don't know that anyone could ever reach Austin levels partly because that wasn't in a vacuum, that was also in a period where Hogan shocked the world by turning heel revitalizing his career, where two major companies were going at each other's throats in all out war and an attempt to put the other out of business. There were so many things that were just right for Austin to take that next step (though due respect to him, he was the one who was able to make it happen). That said, Becky is on another level right now, hands down one of the most interesting stars in her company and one of the best. Whether she's another Austin, Punk, Bryan or the first Becky, she's something amazing and special.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Feb 18, 2019 21:53:29 GMT -5
I have seen more similarities to HHH than Stone Cold.
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