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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Feb 24, 2019 17:30:00 GMT -5
Toxic POSs? Disliking the LGBT lifestyle makes them toxic? Toxic or not, the Briscoes are the answer Saying they would kill someone for teaching their kids that being gay is okay is pretty toxic, yes. IIRC, Jay posted that on social media somewhere years back. No one was ever killed. People post worse shit on social media all the time an no one thinks twice, but with Jay it still follows him. If Jay doesn't want his kids taught to accept homosexuality then that's his business. They're his kids.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Feb 24, 2019 17:35:05 GMT -5
Wow.....shut it down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 17:44:44 GMT -5
Saying they would kill someone for teaching their kids that being gay is okay is pretty toxic, yes. IIRC, Jay posted that on social media somewhere years back. No one was ever killed. People post worse shit on social media all the time an no one thinks twice, but with Jay it still follows him. If Jay doesn't want his kids taught to accept homosexuality then that's his business. They're his kids. It's his business, sure. That said, if a person doesn't want to see a show he's booked on or support a product that he's a part of, that's their business, too. I don't think consumers should feel guilty for not following something. They don't owe a performer their money or attention. Saying that others have done/posted worse is a terrible way to justify anything.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 24, 2019 17:49:15 GMT -5
I doubt there's any one in ROH who wouldn't jump to WWE or AEW if it came contract renewal time.
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Post by ianriccaboni on Feb 24, 2019 17:59:22 GMT -5
I doubt there's any one in ROH who wouldn't jump to WWE or AEW if it came contract renewal time. I didn't and neither did about a dozen others?
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 24, 2019 18:01:52 GMT -5
I doubt there's any one in ROH who wouldn't jump to WWE or AEW if it came contract renewal time. I didn't and neither did about a dozen others? What I should have said is that I'd bet most wrestlers in ROH would consider their options when contract time rolls around. I didn't mean to suggest that everyone would automatically choose to leave. I doubt there's many who have the attitude, "I'm staying no matter what!" My idea of what "ROH 4 Life" means is someone who closes his/her mind to any other offers. I doubt there's many like that.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Feb 24, 2019 20:24:53 GMT -5
I know the OP said Besides the Briscoes, but those guys are the only ones who I think will never leave ROH. Mostly because no one else high profile enough would want those toxic POSs anywhere near their company. And by all rights, they should have been bounced out of the company a long time ago instead of being considered the Face of ROH. Toxic POSs? Disliking the LGBT lifestyle makes them toxic? Toxic or not, the Briscoes are the answer Yes
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Feb 24, 2019 20:57:11 GMT -5
IIRC, Jay posted that on social media somewhere years back. No one was ever killed. People post worse shit on social media all the time an no one thinks twice, but with Jay it still follows him. If Jay doesn't want his kids taught to accept homosexuality then that's his business. They're his kids. It's his business, sure. That said, if a person doesn't want to see a show he's booked on or support a product that he's a part of, that's their business, too. I don't think consumers should feel guilty for not following something. They don't owe a performer their money or attention. Saying that others have done/posted worse is a terrible way to justify anything. I agree, a person has the right to not support a person/product for any reason. What I don't agree with is what a poster wrote earlier about The Briscoes "should have been bounced out of the company a long time ago" because of them being anti-gay. Just because someone's views don't line up with your beliefs doesn't mean they don't have a right to earn a living.
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Post by Woo on Feb 24, 2019 21:07:22 GMT -5
It's his business, sure. That said, if a person doesn't want to see a show he's booked on or support a product that he's a part of, that's their business, too. I don't think consumers should feel guilty for not following something. They don't owe a performer their money or attention. Saying that others have done/posted worse is a terrible way to justify anything. I agree, a person has the right to not support a person/product for any reason. What I don't agree with is what a poster wrote earlier about The Briscoes "should have been bounced out of the company a long time ago" because of them being anti-gay. Just because someone's views don't line up with your beliefs doesn't mean they don't have a right to earn a living. The problem is ROH hiring them still looks bad for ROH. Being homophobic is as bad as being racist in a lot of people's eyes and ROH should have cut ties with him right away as it now looks like they endorse his views.
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Post by vinnie245 on Feb 24, 2019 22:02:33 GMT -5
Then going by that same logic WWE should be raked over the coals by the countless people that they've hired in the past and even today. (Michael Hayes, Ronda Rousey, AJ Styles etc) Peoples views will always be their own, if companies were forced to just hire people who have specific views then hardly anybody would get hired. At the end of the day Jay apologised for what he said, what more does he need to do?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 2:51:36 GMT -5
It's his business, sure. That said, if a person doesn't want to see a show he's booked on or support a product that he's a part of, that's their business, too. I don't think consumers should feel guilty for not following something. They don't owe a performer their money or attention. Saying that others have done/posted worse is a terrible way to justify anything. I agree, a person has the right to not support a person/product for any reason. What I don't agree with is what a poster wrote earlier about The Briscoes "should have been bounced out of the company a long time ago" because of them being anti-gay. Just because someone's views don't line up with your beliefs doesn't mean they don't have a right to earn a living. I'm curious if you feel this way about racism, misogyny, or other forms of xenophobia? Being queer/trans isn't a "lifestyle," and folks can't help being what they are. Saying stuff as egregious as "I'll kill you if you teach my child that xyz group deserves equal rights" should generally eliminate you from being employed as a public entertainer. It would be different if he changed after his "apology"/forced donation, but he didn't. There's been other incidents since, and the guy clearly doesn't want to grow beyond his bigotry.
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Post by chazraps on Feb 25, 2019 2:54:06 GMT -5
I know the OP said Besides the Briscoes, but those guys are the only ones who I think will never leave ROH. Mostly because no one else high profile enough would want those toxic POSs anywhere near their company. And by all rights, they should have been bounced out of the company a long time ago instead of being considered the Face of ROH. Toxic POSs? Disliking the LGBT lifestyle makes them toxic? It's not a "lifestyle." Disliking someone for how they were born is bigotry. It's not good. It's toxic. Why do you struggle with this? Saying they would kill someone for teaching their kids that being gay is okay is pretty toxic, yes. IIRC, Jay posted that on social media somewhere years back. No one was ever killed. People post worse shit on social media all the time an no one thinks twice, Such as?
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on Feb 25, 2019 3:02:19 GMT -5
Then going by that same logic WWE should be raked over the coals by the countless people that they've hired in the past and even today. (Michael Hayes, Ronda Rousey, AJ Styles etc) Yes, they should.
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