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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Feb 23, 2019 17:23:41 GMT -5
If I’m Bray Wyatt, I just got a huge boner. Well, that’s a disturbing image.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 23, 2019 17:24:36 GMT -5
If I’m Bray Wyatt, I just got a huge boner. Well, that’s a disturbing image. He also does magic tricks, he makes JoJo’s clothes disappear.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 23, 2019 17:24:43 GMT -5
Even if he did fire them so what? Balor is fighting heavyweights and he weighs 120 pounds. For Christ sakes I was bigger than he is in 7th grade. Why does he get to fight on the main roster when you got 205 where he belongs?? Kind of a double standard there? he's the only tiny guy who doesn't have to be on 205. Instead he's been a world "heavyweight" champion and he isn't a heavyweight. . Zayne is a jobber basically. Sasha is fine. But WWE would go on without her if she's gone. Prichard is more storyline/Star/Larger than life character driven than "Work-rate".. And obviously the "work-rate, 5 star match thing" aint drawing. Just as it NEVER has Problem is almost nobody currently has that larger then life feel anymore due to wrestlers being so much smaller/shorter then they used to, and the few that do like Drew McIntyre and Bobby Lashley aren't over. Another problem is that they are terrible at coming up with gimmicks and characters for wrestlers which can also make a wrestler seem more larger then life whether they be big or small. In the mean time you might as well push the guys that have "workrate" and that are over as they are still good intangibles to have even if they might not necessarily translate to drawing ability. Like for example I'm not a fan of Finn Balor fan at all and find him super boring but the guy is over, is talented in the ring, and has a marketable look. If you were in charge of a wrestling company and had him on your roster you would be a fool not to push him and an even bigger one if you actually fired him.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 23, 2019 17:33:36 GMT -5
We're in 'he couldn't make it any worse' territory, so I'll give him a chance.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Feb 23, 2019 17:34:25 GMT -5
Even if he did fire them so what? Balor is fighting heavyweights and he weighs 120 pounds. For Christ sakes I was bigger than he is in 7th grade. Why does he get to fight on the main roster when you got 205 where he belongs?? Kind of a double standard there? he's the only tiny guy who doesn't have to be on 205. Instead he's been a world "heavyweight" champion and he isn't a heavyweight. . Zayne is a jobber basically. Sasha is fine. But WWE would go on without her if she's gone. Prichard is more storyline/Star/Larger than life character driven than "Work-rate".. And obviously the "work-rate, 5 star match thing" aint drawing. Just as it NEVER has This dude's comparing his 150 pounds of fat in 7th grade to Finn Balor's absolutely ripped body and I'm honestly here for it. Go off, king!
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 23, 2019 17:54:55 GMT -5
Even if he did fire them so what? Balor is fighting heavyweights and he weighs 120 pounds. For Christ sakes I was bigger than he is in 7th grade. Why does he get to fight on the main roster when you got 205 where he belongs?? Kind of a double standard there? he's the only tiny guy who doesn't have to be on 205. Instead he's been a world "heavyweight" champion and he isn't a heavyweight. . Zayne is a jobber basically. Sasha is fine. But WWE would go on without her if she's gone. Prichard is more storyline/Star/Larger than life character driven than "Work-rate".. And obviously the "work-rate, 5 star match thing" aint drawing. Just as it NEVER has Problem is almost nobody currently has that larger then life feel anymore due to wrestlers being so much smaller/shorter then they used to, and the few that do like Drew McIntyre and Bobby Lashley aren't over. Another problem is that they are terrible at coming up with gimmicks and characters for wrestlers which can also make a wrestler seem more larger then life whether they be big or small. In the mean time you might as well push the guys that have "workrate" and that are over as they are still good intangibles to have even if they might not necessarily translate to drawing ability. Like for example I'm not a fan of Finn Balor fan at all and find him super boring but the guy is over, is talented in the ring, and has a marketable look. If you were in charge of a wrestling company and had him on your roster you would be a fool not to push him and an even bigger one if you actually fired him. I would only push Balor to the midcard/upper mid card IC title spot. You can't have boom period/successful companies with small guys. Its just won't sell unfortunately. If it did, WWE would be in better shape as far as viewership wise. Sure they are making money because they con investors and TV companies, you don't have to PRODUCE or draw to bring in money now but if they were in a "Monday Night War" with WCW lets say now, you think Pushing Styles, Bryan/Balor could beat WCW as their top guys? It is and always has been a "big man business". People don't aren't going to flock in droves to see guys the size of your next door neighbor that looks like an average dude on the street. You have to look like a star and be a larger than life character/guy There a very rare exceptions like Randy Savage but his personality was ridiculously intense and he dressed like a star
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 23, 2019 18:00:08 GMT -5
Even if he did fire them so what? Balor is fighting heavyweights and he weighs 120 pounds. For Christ sakes I was bigger than he is in 7th grade. Why does he get to fight on the main roster when you got 205 where he belongs?? Kind of a double standard there? he's the only tiny guy who doesn't have to be on 205. Instead he's been a world "heavyweight" champion and he isn't a heavyweight. . Zayne is a jobber basically. Sasha is fine. But WWE would go on without her if she's gone. Just about everything in this post is wrong No one is interested in hearing about the antiquated "him small, me only want big guys" belief. Even if it's true, which it's not.
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Post by Sicho100 on Feb 23, 2019 18:04:57 GMT -5
Problem is almost nobody currently has that larger then life feel anymore due to wrestlers being so much smaller/shorter then they used to, and the few that do like Drew McIntyre and Bobby Lashley aren't over. Another problem is that they are terrible at coming up with gimmicks and characters for wrestlers which can also make a wrestler seem more larger then life whether they be big or small. In the mean time you might as well push the guys that have "workrate" and that are over as they are still good intangibles to have even if they might not necessarily translate to drawing ability. Like for example I'm not a fan of Finn Balor fan at all and find him super boring but the guy is over, is talented in the ring, and has a marketable look. If you were in charge of a wrestling company and had him on your roster you would be a fool not to push him and an even bigger one if you actually fired him. I would only push Balor to the midcard/upper mid card IC title spot. You can't have boom period/successful companies with small guys. Its just won't sell unfortunately. If it did, WWE would be in better shape as far as viewership wise. Sure they are making money because they con investors and TV companies, you don't have to PRODUCE or draw to bring in money now but if they were in a "Monday Night War" with WCW lets say now, you think Pushing Styles, Bryan/Balor could beat WCW as their top guys? It is and always has been a "big man business". People don't aren't going to flock in droves to see guys the size of your next door neighbor that looks like an average dude on the street. You have to look like a star and be a larger than life character/guy There a very rare exceptions like Randy Savage but his personality was ridiculously intense and he dressed like a star Conor McGregor is 155 pounds.
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 23, 2019 18:10:45 GMT -5
Even if he did fire them so what? Balor is fighting heavyweights and he weighs 120 pounds. For Christ sakes I was bigger than he is in 7th grade. Why does he get to fight on the main roster when you got 205 where he belongs?? Kind of a double standard there? he's the only tiny guy who doesn't have to be on 205. Instead he's been a world "heavyweight" champion and he isn't a heavyweight. . Zayne is a jobber basically. Sasha is fine. But WWE would go on without her if she's gone. Just about everything in this post is wrong No one is interested in hearing about the antiquated "him small, me only want big guys" belief. Even if it's true, which it's not. The ratings say otherwise. Im sorry. As does their obvious desperation. And they wouldn't be brining back guys from 20 years ago if everything was "hunky dory"
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 23, 2019 18:12:34 GMT -5
Just about everything in this post is wrong No one is interested in hearing about the antiquated "him small, me only want big guys" belief. Even if it's true, which it's not. The ratings say otherwise. Im sorry. As does their obvious desperation. And they wouldn't be brining back guys from 20 years ago if everything was "hunky dory" No one is interested in hearing about the antiquated "him small, me only want big guys" belief. Even if it's true, which it's not.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 23, 2019 18:13:10 GMT -5
Just about everything in this post is wrong No one is interested in hearing about the antiquated "him small, me only want big guys" belief. Even if it's true, which it's not. The ratings say otherwise. Im sorry. As does their obvious desperation. And they wouldn't be brining back guys from 20 years ago if everything was "hunky dory" You're seriously blaming the average height of wrestlers for the hole WWE has been in?
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 23, 2019 18:14:35 GMT -5
The ratings say otherwise. Im sorry. As does their obvious desperation. And they wouldn't be brining back guys from 20 years ago if everything was "hunky dory" You're seriously blaming the average height of wrestlers for the hole WWE has been in? Its part of it for sure. Not all of it of course. . . People tune in to see larger than life characters HISTORICALLY. (Hogan, Goldberg, Cena, Andre, Warrior, Rock,) Not cruiserweights or tiny guys
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 23, 2019 18:18:31 GMT -5
I would only push Balor to the midcard/upper mid card IC title spot. You can't have boom period/successful companies with small guys. Its just won't sell unfortunately. If it did, WWE would be in better shape as far as viewership wise. Sure they are making money because they con investors and TV companies, you don't have to PRODUCE or draw to bring in money now but if they were in a "Monday Night War" with WCW lets say now, you think Pushing Styles, Bryan/Balor could beat WCW as their top guys? It is and always has been a "big man business". People don't aren't going to flock in droves to see guys the size of your next door neighbor that looks like an average dude on the street. You have to look like a star and be a larger than life character/guy There a very rare exceptions like Randy Savage but his personality was ridiculously intense and he dressed like a star Conor McGregor is 155 pounds. Thats a shoot sport. You can't compare. And they also have weight classes. Of course, as mentioned you will have your rare exceptions (Randy Savage) but they just that... Rare Exceptions
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 23, 2019 18:19:46 GMT -5
You're seriously blaming the average height of wrestlers for the hole WWE has been in? Its part of it for sure. Not all of it of course. . . People tune in to see larger than life characters HISTORICALLY. (Hogan, Goldberg, Cena, Andre, Warrior, Rock,) Not cruiserweights or tiny guys Have to ask this, do you know this for sure? Or are you just going from your viewpoint from about 20-30 years ago? Because, again, as pointed out before, some of the biggest sport PPV draws of the last 10 years have been Floyd Mayweather, Conor McGregor, Ronda Rowsey and Manny Pacquiao. None of those people I'd exactly call larger than life in the literal sense. And I know you say those are "shoot sports" and they shouldn't compare but look at the reason they DID draw. They're all larger than life personalities.
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 23, 2019 18:21:35 GMT -5
Its part of it for sure. Not all of it of course. . . People tune in to see larger than life characters HISTORICALLY. (Hogan, Goldberg, Cena, Andre, Warrior, Rock,) Not cruiserweights or tiny guys Have to ask this, do you know this for sure? Or are you just going from your viewpoint from about 20-30 years ago? Because, again, as pointed out before, some of the biggest sport PPV draws of the last 10 years have been Floyd Mayweather, Conor McGregor, Ronda Rowsey and Manny Pacquiao. None of those people I'd exactly call larger than life in the literal sense. Again.. You're comparing apples and oranges though. You're comparing worked sport that relies solely on stars, larger than life characters to make money to a shoot, legit sport. I would say its for sure..... Outside of Randy Savage, what smaller guy drew to the level of those I mentioned in professional wrestling over the last 35 years?
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Feb 23, 2019 18:23:25 GMT -5
I've always said you need individuals like Bret Hart, Scott Hall, Jake, and DDP as agents/writers who know how to build characters and tell stories. They would be the ones who could craft unique and fresh ideas. Bret said a few years ago he offered to work for them in a backstage role and they turned him down.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 23, 2019 18:23:59 GMT -5
When you're the only person screaming about how you're right and everyone but you is wrong, usually means it's time to take a look in the mirror.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 23, 2019 18:24:17 GMT -5
Have to ask this, do you know this for sure? Or are you just going from your viewpoint from about 20-30 years ago? Because, again, as pointed out before, some of the biggest sport PPV draws of the last 10 years have been Floyd Mayweather, Conor McGregor, Ronda Rowsey and Manny Pacquiao. None of those people I'd exactly call larger than life in the literal sense. Again.. You're comparing apples and oranges though. You're comparing worked sport that relies solely on stars to make money to a shoot, legit sport. I would say its for sure..... Outside of Randy Savage, what smaller guy drew to the level of those I mentioned in professional wrestling over the last 35 years. Legit sport requires stars to make money. ALL Sports do. Why the hell do you think UFC's been struggling for the last few years and has been willing to get in people who've failed drug tests like Jon Jones and Brock Lesnar to come back? Because they drew. Nobody outside of LA heard of LA Galaxy before David Beckham was signed, Michael Jordan is the reason the NBA became a way bigger thing and people cared about Olympic Basketball, Tom Brady is the biggest heat magnet in the NFL, Usain Bolt is still the biggest name in Olympics history along with Michael Phelps. I'll carry on but I think I made my point.
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 23, 2019 18:25:31 GMT -5
Again.. You're comparing apples and oranges though. You're comparing worked sport that relies solely on stars to make money to a shoot, legit sport. I would say its for sure..... Outside of Randy Savage, what smaller guy drew to the level of those I mentioned in professional wrestling over the last 35 years. Legit sport requires stars to make money. ALL Sports do. Why the hell do you think UFC's been struggling for the last few years and has been willing to get in people who've failed drug tests like Jon Jones and Brock Lesnar to come back? Because they drew. Nobody outside of LA heard of LA Galaxy before David Beckham was signed, Michael Jordan is the reason the NBA became a way bigger thing and people cared about Olympic Basketball, Tom Brady is the biggest heat magnet in the NFL, Usain Bolt is still the biggest name in Olympics history along with Michael Phelps. I'll carry on but I think I made my point. ok we'll agree to disagree then. You can't compare shoot sports to entertainment. But whatever At the end of the day, the biggest drawing guys in the business were BIG guys. Not tiny dudes.
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Post by Sicho100 on Feb 23, 2019 18:28:12 GMT -5
Have to ask this, do you know this for sure? Or are you just going from your viewpoint from about 20-30 years ago? Because, again, as pointed out before, some of the biggest sport PPV draws of the last 10 years have been Floyd Mayweather, Conor McGregor, Ronda Rowsey and Manny Pacquiao. None of those people I'd exactly call larger than life in the literal sense. Again.. You're comparing apples and oranges though. You're comparing worked sport that relies solely on stars, larger than life characters to make money to a shoot, legit sport. I would say its for sure..... Outside of Randy Savage, what smaller guy drew to the level of those I mentioned in professional wrestling over the last 35 years? Those shoot sports are also based on stars. When I said Conor McGregor is 155, I don't mean "And he was a UFC Champion!" I mean, "And he was the biggest star in UFC!" McGregor, Rousey, etc. are shorter people who are mega stars that drew money. Just because wrestling is a work does not mean that smaller guys aren't able to draw money, it means that it is more inexcusable that the shorter wrestlers aren't drawing money because the damn show is rigged! If Conor McGregor got knocked out in 10 seconds every fight, he wouldn't have drawn; he was only able to draw because he is both a good fighter AND an attention grabbing personality. Just because he's small doesn't mean he can't draw attention, just as the fact the Finn Balor, et al, are small doesn't mean they can't draw money. The reason they haven't drawn money is because Vince McMahon is a shitty booker.
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