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Post by prichardmark on Feb 26, 2019 19:26:49 GMT -5
WWE only makes its money off TV deals now and conning investors. Definitely no merit to their profits now. Its all superficial money ...How can I tell how much of my money is superficial? Is it affected by inflation? I want to earn interest on my shallowness. Well you used to have to DRAW to make money
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 19:44:41 GMT -5
Nope. We COULD be.
But then again, we COULD have had one in 2012... and 2014.
Vince is the one that’s preventing it. Until he goes, the status quo and the formalic shows shall continue.
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Post by brown bricks on Feb 26, 2019 20:53:32 GMT -5
We are definitely not in a new boom period. WWE needs serious competition for that to happen. I hope that AEW eventually turns into that, but we'll see.
There's no way that you can look at how wrestling was during the late 90's compared to now and think we're in a boom period.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 26, 2019 20:56:46 GMT -5
...How can I tell how much of my money is superficial? Is it affected by inflation? I want to earn interest on my shallowness. Well you used to have to DRAW to make money Money is money in the here and now. They're virtually guaranteed to make profits for the next several years by virtue of the size of the TV and Saudi deals. Whether they can use that time to create some draws is another matter.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 26, 2019 21:34:08 GMT -5
Nope. The last boom period is when I became a fan. My mom couldn’t give two shits about wrestling but knew who Austin, Rock and Goldberg were. She couldn’t name a single guy on the roster today if she wanted to. That awareness where non fans start to pay attention...that’s key.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 27, 2019 3:32:46 GMT -5
...How can I tell how much of my money is superficial? Is it affected by inflation? I want to earn interest on my shallowness. Well you used to have to DRAW to make money They're a business. Money is money. Some money isn't more real than other money. And this Saudi deal is multi-year, so it's not purely short term either. Like, I'm not saying I am a fan of that strategy or that it's sustainable, but acting like that money somehow doesn't count or is lacking in 'merit' is kinda ludicrous. 'McDonald's put the Big Tasty out again. Pfft what superficial money that will make...'
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 27, 2019 13:07:32 GMT -5
Well you used to have to DRAW to make money They're a business. Money is money. Some money isn't more real than other money. And this Saudi deal is multi-year, so it's not purely short term either. Like, I'm not saying I am a fan of that strategy or that it's sustainable, but acting like that money somehow doesn't count or is lacking in 'merit' is kinda ludicrous. 'McDonald's put the Big Tasty out again. Pfft what superficial money that will make...' I get that. But Now its basically its "lucking out" with incentive TV deals and finding suckers. . Years ago though you actually had to show your worth and PROVE your TV deals though (Bringing in high ratings, high viewership, selling out every night on your main programs and house shows). WWE doesn't have to produce anymore. They don't have to provide sell out business in RAW/Smackdown and house shows. Hell they don't even have to draw 3 million viewers now. Im not knocking them for finding suckers and getting lucrative contracts with TV companies. But they also don't deserve it either. Their product by and large stinks and now there is NO INCENTIVE to improve (which they haven't done in years) because of this current situation The only hope is AEW becomes competitors and stimulate the business. Right now its the die-hard fans who are suffering (and no new fans being Brought in) because the WWE doesn't HAVE to improve. Instead they are just resting on their laurels
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Post by segaz on Feb 28, 2019 5:10:18 GMT -5
They had a chance. The Summer of Punk/Pipe Bomb promo had them on the cusp of being something huge, a major angle - fronted by an interesting performer - that felt like it captured the current zeitgeist in a way that Rock 'n Wrestling and the Attitude Era had before. People suddenly had something to point to and say "check this out, I swear, wrestling might be fun again" to lapsed fans, and pop culture sites started covering wrestling again. It was primed and ready to go. Then they stomped all over the Punk angle and turned it into HHH/Nash, and have spent every month of every year since then aggressively strangling the life out of any gimmick or angle that actually gets over with the fans. Now all that potential energy and interest has turned into either renewed disinterest or hope that someone else will change things, and any coverage of what WWE does is about what a mess the product is. People here generally dislike punk now, and act snarky about that summer. But....for reals? I don't think WWE have come anywhere near as close since. You could argue that this current period is the most financially secure they've ever been. Monday Night Waes, despite yes making money and drawing in lots of fans, was incredibly risky. Then and in the 80s, wrestling as a whole was pushed forward to the front. I can't say it's the same or 'similar yet different' now. Bear in mind we will also have a LOT more haters nowadays than either other boom period got. Even Summer of Punk got a lot of backlash from some fans here. Attitude era had some also, but not on the level we would have today. My point is that it takes a perfect storm to generate this. And WWE had a chance to go for it. But they neutered the star, and didn't radicalize the product enough. Can you imagine if they'd done the same in 1998? Austin wins the title and then loses it and plays second fiddle to Vader and Patriot? While the company continues to book 1997 Gang Warz? Perhaps in the future, similar set of circumstances will align for WWE to take advantage of, but it hasn't happened yet. And wrestling is not in that early 80s period where it's already very popular and any mega event (WM1) will catapult it. Not only that, but wrestling needs strong competition. Both previous booms have proved that.
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Post by CeilingFan on Feb 28, 2019 6:17:22 GMT -5
We might enter one in 2020 or 2021. It depends if AEW becomes a success.
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Post by Marksus on Feb 28, 2019 8:41:16 GMT -5
When Kofi is champ the Boom Boom period will start.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 28, 2019 14:14:14 GMT -5
They had a chance. The Summer of Punk/Pipe Bomb promo had them on the cusp of being something huge, a major angle - fronted by an interesting performer - that felt like it captured the current zeitgeist in a way that Rock 'n Wrestling and the Attitude Era had before. People suddenly had something to point to and say "check this out, I swear, wrestling might be fun again" to lapsed fans, and pop culture sites started covering wrestling again. It was primed and ready to go. Then they stomped all over the Punk angle and turned it into HHH/Nash, and have spent every month of every year since then aggressively strangling the life out of any gimmick or angle that actually gets over with the fans. Now all that potential energy and interest has turned into either renewed disinterest or hope that someone else will change things, and any coverage of what WWE does is about what a mess the product is. People here generally dislike punk now, and act snarky about that summer. But....for reals? I don't think WWE have come anywhere near as close since. The only way people talk snarky about that Summer is how stupid the WWE were for it ending being Nash Vs. HHH. Not that it couldn't/shouldn't have been way better for the company that it was.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 14:22:31 GMT -5
The in-ring product is absolutely the best it's ever been, but the "antagonize the audience" style of booking has made me stop watching all but NXT Takeovers and a few select PPV matches, and I'm sure I'm far from alone.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 28, 2019 14:30:08 GMT -5
They had a chance. The Summer of Punk/Pipe Bomb promo had them on the cusp of being something huge, a major angle - fronted by an interesting performer - that felt like it captured the current zeitgeist in a way that Rock 'n Wrestling and the Attitude Era had before. People suddenly had something to point to and say "check this out, I swear, wrestling might be fun again" to lapsed fans, and pop culture sites started covering wrestling again. It was primed and ready to go. Yep. The crazy thing is that I get a sense there's a whole bunch of lapsed fans primed for nostalgiac good times watching wrestling. The media would love wrestling and WWE in particular to take it's place back towards the top of pop culture pantheon as there's so much content pumped out and a steady stream of controversy they they can use go generate content all year. The buzz would bring in new fans. It’s perfect for social media, it’s perfect for old media (guests on other shows). The conditions are all there. They just need the spark to ignite it. Instead they keep equitinshing any sign of one.
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Post by Cela on Feb 28, 2019 15:11:58 GMT -5
...No. The hell caused that spike in 2015?
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Post by Sicho100 on Feb 28, 2019 17:09:35 GMT -5
...No. The hell caused that spike in 2015? It was just the post-Mania Raw (it averaged 5.364 million viewers). Here's a chart looking at the three week moving average, to temper some of those one-week spikes.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 28, 2019 18:18:19 GMT -5
...No. The hell caused that spike in 2015? Lightning hit the transmitter.
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Post by CertifiedBA on Feb 28, 2019 18:35:28 GMT -5
If so when did it start? If not than WWE seems more popular than it has ever been without being in a boom period. You see it pop up in non-wrestling stuff all the time. Like when I bought my smart TV a few years ago there were a couple dozen apps or so shown the box and the WWE one was prominently featured. This wasn’t a smart TV aimed at wrestling fans, this was a standard Samsung one that thousands and thousands of non-fans buy. Cross promotional movies made by the company, former world champ being the biggest star alive and still popping up (very rarely), the news even covers some bigger storylines like when Cena proposed. Even non-WWE stuff with a lot less history and resources has gotten mainstream attention. For example, Rolling Stone or some similar magazine named Kenny Omega their wrestler of the year. You actually don't see much of it in pop culture these days. Unfollowed all wrestling accounts and such when WWE ran the first Saudi show. I didn't even make it thru Mania this past year and didn't care, still don't. Now that I've taken a step back I've realized just how irrelevant pro wrestling is these days. Rolling Stone has little to no influence in 2019. WWE shoehorning their software onto Samsung TVs and paying a bit extra to appear on the front page isn't indicative of a 'boom' either. The original brand split made WWE too complicated at the time and all the casuals fell off, with few returning. Their live numbers and TV numbers are way down from previous years. WWE was more popular in 1995, and the company was in the absolute dog-house. The presentation is far too predictable and there are really only like 7-8 actual angles to run in wrestling, so things get a bit worn out after a while. Same shit, new laundry.
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Post by CertifiedBA on Feb 28, 2019 18:38:30 GMT -5
Nah. I think wrestling is still a niche thing for nerds. Everyone is on the internet 247 now unlike the 90s so it's easier to come across people talking about wrestling and mainstream publications can have someone posting a little article about it online because you can cater to every minor interest now so it probably feels more ubiquitous than it used to. I don't think The Rock or Batista etc being in Hollywood movies has anything to do with wrestling either really. It's like saying bodybuilding was going through a boom period when Arnie was in the Terminator. (Maybe it was I dunno haha). I'm a 35 y/o former fan....I realized last year it was an absolute nerd fest at any WWE or independent show I went to.....part of my reasoning for being a 'former' fan. I miss going to shows in the late 90s WWF....absolutely electric, some nerds, but mostly not back then.
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Post by CertifiedBA on Feb 28, 2019 18:39:15 GMT -5
We are definitely not in a new boom period. WWE needs serious competition for that to happen. I hope that AEW eventually turns into that, but we'll see. There's no way that you can look at how wrestling was during the late 90's compared to now and think we're in a boom period. AEW appeals to active wrestling fans, time will tell to see if they attract non-fans.
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Post by CertifiedBA on Feb 28, 2019 18:41:16 GMT -5
We might enter one in 2020 or 2021. It depends if AEW becomes a success. I love Jericho, but I hardly see him being the one to bring a WCW level company up to take on WWE, he doesn't have much time and I don't feel like watching anyone over 50 in a wrestling ring anymore.
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