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Post by BatPunk on Mar 2, 2019 22:18:55 GMT -5
Wrestling fans are not usually the hipster/millennial type.......
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 3, 2019 1:21:56 GMT -5
Probably not.
They'd have to back off of the Vegan stuff again, and that'd just annoy the fans who WANT him to be preachy about Veganism.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 3, 2019 3:55:58 GMT -5
Wrestling fans are not usually the hipster/millennial type....... Judging by this place and pretty much every show I've ever been to, I'll have to disagree with that a bit. At the very least there's a huge chunk who are. |
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Mar 3, 2019 5:48:27 GMT -5
Could be but I'd rather they don't make it the central point of his character. Yes Movement era Bryan was the best Bryan by far for me, and his reactions & merch sales prove it. His veganism and environmentalism can be aspects of his character because they're part of who he is but I don't want them to be everything about him. I don't need a vegan environmentalist character in my entertainment to care about animals or climate change, and I don't want it because I don't watch wrestling or other entertainment to be repeatedly reminded of sociopolitical shit going on in the real world, I watch it to get away from that and invest in stories, because it's damn impossible to get away from it anywhere else these days.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 3, 2019 11:02:02 GMT -5
Could be but I'd rather they don't make it the central point of his character. Yes Movement era Bryan was the best Bryan by far for me, and his reactions & merch sales prove it. His veganism and environmentalism can be aspects of his character because they're part of who he is but I don't want them to be everything about him. I don't need a vegan environmentalist character in my entertainment to care about animals or climate change, and I don't want it because I don't watch wrestling or other entertainment to be repeatedly reminded of sociopolitical shit going on in the real world, I watch it to get away from that and invest in stories, because it's damn impossible to get away from it anywhere else these days. There's been a concept among activists in Hollywood, Sports, Reporting Media, etc. the past few years called "No Escapism". And that basically just means that people are not going to be allowed a refuge from having causes and protest movements and whatever-else-have-you pushed on them at all possible times. Vince (yes, yes, "for reasons") doesn't seem like the kind of person who would go completely along with "No Escapism" (even though we've had stuff like JBL, for example, over the years), but I think among this current generation of talent, quite a few would. |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Mar 4, 2019 9:16:00 GMT -5
No, when you talk down to people and ridicule them even if you’re doing it for the “right” reasons you’re a heel.
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Post by brentreznor on Mar 4, 2019 9:39:28 GMT -5
No, even if there was a wrestler who had 100% the exact same political and social beliefs as me. I wouldn't want to see it on TV. It's not what I watch wrestling for.
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Post by paywindah on Mar 4, 2019 9:49:06 GMT -5
He could do it, but he'd be seen as a heel by the hayseed red states.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 4, 2019 10:10:25 GMT -5
No, when you talk down to people and ridicule them even if you’re doing it for the “right” reasons you’re a heel. Are you, though? I think with this current crop of 21-35 year olds, ridicule, snark, and dismissiveness is a primary method of communication. They're much less likely to see that sort of behavior as heelish if they agree with the message. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 12:26:17 GMT -5
Wrestling fans are not usually the hipster/millennial type....... You can't say wrestling fans aren't the "Milennial type," as that would mean there are no wrestling fans born between 1981-1996. "Milennial" isn't a personality or a set of beliefs, it's the term used to describe literally every single person in that generation. |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Mar 4, 2019 12:28:23 GMT -5
Wrestling fans are not usually the hipster/millennial type....... I usually take my wife’s younger cousin (he’s 12) and I’d say the majority of the fans in the arena are children with their parents. A few groups of older people/ couples but it seems to be more of the comic book crowd that full fledged hipsters. |
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Post by Redbeard's Ghost on Mar 4, 2019 15:08:56 GMT -5
He would never be a babyface with that gimmick. Just comes off preachy as hell and frankly I watch wrestling to get away from real life. I don't need other peoples beliefs pushed on me 24/7. Ive dumped quite a few personal entertainment likes for that very reason.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 4, 2019 15:11:49 GMT -5
Borga had a good point. Urban decay is a serious problem. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 4, 2019 15:14:00 GMT -5
I mean he could just turn down the Zealotry which is why he is a heel.
It's not what he's saying that makes him a heel it's how he's saying it.
"you can be right and still be an asshole"
See, Anti-Hardcore Mick Foley, Straight Edge CM Punk, Serious Jericho... etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 15:15:54 GMT -5
I mean he could just turn down the Zealotry which is why he is a heel. It's not what he's saying that makes him a heel it's how he's saying it. "you can be right and still be an asshole" See, Anti-Hardcore Mick Foley, Straight Edge CM Punk, Serious Jericho... etc. Like CM Punk with the straight edge society stuff. I don't drink or do drugs but I also don't label myself as straight edge or think I'm better than anyone for it. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 4, 2019 23:30:14 GMT -5
How the f*** would he even bring that up as a face.
"I WON THE BELT.....BUT I FEAR I WON'T BE ABLE TO DEFEND IT WHEN THE EARTH IS UNINHABITABLE IN 12 YEARS! YES! YES! YES! YES!"
It has no real place in a wrestling context as a rally cry for fans. How does that build to....ANYTHING that'll happen on a pay per view? No one likes that "Tut tut. Do better. Do what I say." grandstanding.
Him being an asshole heel and trying to force everyone to listen to him builds to someone eventually shutting him up in the ring.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 5, 2019 2:11:07 GMT -5
How the f*** would he even bring that up as a face. "I WON THE BELT.....BUT I FEAR I WON'T BE ABLE TO DEFEND IT WHEN THE EARTH IS UNINHABITABLE IN 12 YEARS! YES! YES! YES! YES!" It has no real place in a wrestling context as a rally cry for fans. How does that build to....ANYTHING that'll happen on a pay per view? No one likes that "Tut tut. Do better. Do what I say." grandstanding. Him being an asshole heel and trying to force everyone to listen to him builds to someone eventually shutting him up in the ring. That's my thought on it. Obviously, climate change is something that needs fighting etc. but how does that even work? It's too big a concept for wrestling. Other progressive stuff, fighting against racism, homophobia etc. You could actually do by setting up a scummy heel and beating them. Then have them team up with the minority, there's ways to go. But climate change? Unless you make some heels into Captain Planet villains what could you actually do to make that a big part of the gimmick? |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Mar 5, 2019 10:58:54 GMT -5
How the f*** would he even bring that up as a face. "I WON THE BELT.....BUT I FEAR I WON'T BE ABLE TO DEFEND IT WHEN THE EARTH IS UNINHABITABLE IN 12 YEARS! YES! YES! YES! YES!" It has no real place in a wrestling context as a rally cry for fans. How does that build to....ANYTHING that'll happen on a pay per view? No one likes that "Tut tut. Do better. Do what I say." grandstanding. Him being an asshole heel and trying to force everyone to listen to him builds to someone eventually shutting him up in the ring. That's my thought on it. Obviously, climate change is something that needs fighting etc. but how does that even work? It's too big a concept for wrestling. Other progressive stuff, fighting against racism, homophobia etc. You could actually do by setting up a scummy heel and beating them. Then have them team up with the minority, there's ways to go. But climate change? Unless you make some heels into Captain Planet villains what could you actually do to make that a big part of the gimmick? There is certainly room in wrestling for a humble man of the earth type character, but it isn't going to work into promos the same way being a jerk does. It really doesn't make sense beyond being a few character notes like his wardrobe. You could go full on cornball with a JBL type developer wanting to bulldoze a nature preserve or park or something and them settling it in the ring, but that is some silly Chikara stuff. Not opposed to silly stuff. I'd even be a fan of WWE having a silly brand. It doesn't work in the current product though. |
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