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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 1:03:15 GMT -5
Question about Jeff Cobb. What's the deal with him? I've seen this Moxley match and I checked some Youtube stuff of his out, even saw some interviews of his and the guy looks legit. He's definitely legit. He's basically this powerhouse of a dude who can do as many suplexes as Taz, while also being able to do things like standing shooting star presses. If he were like 4 inches taller, WWE would have hired him. He came to prominence after some time on the indies due to being signed to Lucha Underground to be Matanza, sort of the big menace of season 2, and also, gained a lot of good will with people when Michael Elgin's downfall it. In his leaked messages, Elgin bitched about Cobb and talked about trying to badmouth him to NJPW to prevent them from using him. When this got out, guys like War Raiders came to his defense, and so did plenty of fans. For his part, Cobb made jokes about it, but was a professional and worked with Elgin in NJPW a few times since, until Elgin left and Cobb's role expanded some. Definitely one of those guys who seems like he's got everything going for him, he's just needed opportunity, and hopefully, that's coming to him now. Ok, I get it now. He did sort of remind me of him from a physique standpoint. He really looks legit as hell so I hope he gets his push when the time comes. Seems to be a good guy too.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2019 1:35:59 GMT -5
Question about Jeff Cobb. What's the deal with him? I've seen this Moxley match and I checked some Youtube stuff of his out, even saw some interviews of his and the guy looks legit. He’s legit. A guy NJPW loves and one ROH will lose out on. Michael Elgin was so afraid of him taking his spot he tried to bitch him out which got leaked with the other controversy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2019 1:40:07 GMT -5
My reaction to the booking of Naito so far... The hope is we know what what the eventual outcome will be. I can’t see Naito dropping anymore matches from this point and as others said before it most likely comes down to him and White to determine B block winner. I still think it will be Naito and KENTA to crown the winner of the G1 as I said when the brackets became official and thus far things have sort of gone to standard outside Ibushi 0-2 start tho like Naito once you saw he lost the first match you assume he would lose the 2nd
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 16, 2019 3:19:35 GMT -5
My reaction to the booking of Naito so far... The hope is we know what what the eventual outcome will be. I can’t see Naito dropping anymore matches from this point and as others said before it most likely comes down to him and White to determine B block winner. I still think it will be Naito and KENTA to crown the winner of the G1 as I said when the brackets became official and thus far things have sort of gone to standard outside Ibushi 0-2 start tho like Naito once you saw he lost the first match you assume he would lose the 2nd Yeah, again, Naito, White, and Ibushi are all 0-2 to start, and all three of them are slated to main event their respective block finals at Budokan...and you know that's not getting switched up, because Naito/White is a money match right now due to the two of them being kept apart ever since Jay's return from excursion, and Ibushi will be facing Okada in their first straight-up singles match that I can remember that doesn't involve an anime mask. There's basically no way we get to Budokan without all four of those guys being in a position to win their block with a victory. The main question is if they do something like open the door for a dark horse to win due to a draw or tiebreaker outcome, and how high the point total to win the block is going to be this year.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2019 3:30:55 GMT -5
The hope is we know what what the eventual outcome will be. I can’t see Naito dropping anymore matches from this point and as others said before it most likely comes down to him and White to determine B block winner. I still think it will be Naito and KENTA to crown the winner of the G1 as I said when the brackets became official and thus far things have sort of gone to standard outside Ibushi 0-2 start tho like Naito once you saw he lost the first match you assume he would lose the 2nd Yeah, again, Naito, White, and Ibushi are all 0-2 to start, and all three of them are slated to main event their respective block finals at Budokan...and you know that's not getting switched up, because Naito/White is a money match right now due to the two of them being kept apart ever since Jay's return from excursion, and Ibushi will be facing Okada in their first straight-up singles match that I can remember that doesn't involve an anime mask. There's basically no way we get to Budokan without all four of those guys being in a position to win their block with a victory. The main question is if they do something like open the door for a dark horse to win due to a draw or tiebreaker outcome, and how high the point total to win the block is going to be this year. As far as the guy who could be the wrench in the plans, I think KENTA is that for Block A, meanwhile in Block B you have maybe Mox to have a chance at a surprise run in the G1 in terms of the main event but no doubt the main event will feature at least one full time guy on the roster KENTA has been my dark horse for Block A just because if Naito were to win, they aren't going to do another Naito/Ibushi match and obviously you're saving Okada/Naito for WK. If Naito doesn't win, then I gave Jay White a strong chance. I can see them having him and Ibushi be the final and they go back to back with White/Okada at WK. Either way as you said, no way they don't have those 4 in the runnings to win or in position to win. It's all about who they pick to win which no doubt will be a full time star and it is honestly down to White and Naito since no way they'd have someone win in Okada block and face him twice in 6 months
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 16, 2019 3:31:49 GMT -5
He's definitely legit. He's basically this powerhouse of a dude who can do as many suplexes as Taz, while also being able to do things like standing shooting star presses. If he were like 4 inches taller, WWE would have hired him. He came to prominence after some time on the indies due to being signed to Lucha Underground to be Matanza, sort of the big menace of season 2, and also, gained a lot of good will with people when Michael Elgin's downfall it. In his leaked messages, Elgin bitched about Cobb and talked about trying to badmouth him to NJPW to prevent them from using him. When this got out, guys like War Raiders came to his defense, and so did plenty of fans. For his part, Cobb made jokes about it, but was a professional and worked with Elgin in NJPW a few times since, until Elgin left and Cobb's role expanded some. Definitely one of those guys who seems like he's got everything going for him, he's just needed opportunity, and hopefully, that's coming to him now. Ok, I get it now. He did sort of remind me of him from a physique standpoint. He really looks legit as hell so I hope he gets his push when the time comes. Seems to be a good guy too. Also if you ever watched Lucha Underground, you've already seen him (it's the main place a lot of people have seen him).
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Post by chrom on Jul 16, 2019 3:50:51 GMT -5
Liger bid farewell to Hokkaido as that was his final match there
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Post by clifford on Jul 16, 2019 3:56:05 GMT -5
Does having both White and Naito start 0-2 not make it a bit predictable that neither loses again until the Block B finale?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2019 4:14:01 GMT -5
Does having both White and Naito start 0-2 not make it a bit predictable that neither loses again until the Block B finale? Yea, as we were just talking about those 2 were the favorites coming into the G1 and with both losing the 1st match, losing the 2nd was no surprise B block may not require a high point total so you can predict maybe one more loss but yeah the story around B block is who can either keep a lead from Naito/White or who makes it interesting when these two start going on their runs
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Post by thirteen3 on Jul 16, 2019 4:36:15 GMT -5
Isn't Naito dealing with some neck injury right now? Shoot reason of not taking off his shirt is because he can't lift weights at the gym.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2019 5:29:44 GMT -5
Isn't Naito dealing with some neck injury right now? Shoot reason of not taking off his shirt is because he can't lift weights at the gym. I mean he has a tendency to wrestle in shirts in the G1 at points
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Post by ANuclearError on Jul 16, 2019 5:56:53 GMT -5
I still think it'll be SANADA rather than KENTA who'll be the dark horse of A-Block. KENTA and SANADA will be Okada's final defenses of the year while Naito defends the briefcase against Yano and either Goto or Ishii, while Taichi gets an IC title shot.
Keep in mind I've only been 50% correct on the G1 thus far.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jul 16, 2019 6:25:27 GMT -5
Feel like the trend the first couple shows for each block has been that A block is delivering on the pure quality, but I feel almost more invested in the actual outcomes of the B block...could just be because my boys Ishii, Goto, and Shingo are in there, but I'm enjoying the way the personalities are interacting and how consistently physical they are. -Going in I would've picked Shingo to lose his eventual Yano match, but he's got that obstacle out of the way and probably goes rolling from here. Yano's likely still gonna spoil whomever ends up being in the 3rd/4th spots in the block, I'll guess, but Shingo's ready to claim some heads. -Goto/Juice was arguably the most underrated series of matches in 2018 NJPW, and I liked how important the two made everything feel in this one. Goto's hitting things with more urgency, Juice clearly feels he has something to prove and wants to be on the next level. Had Goto taking this one, so interesting surprise. -Would've liked a little more from Moxley/Cobb, but I appreciate how unconventional Moxley's offense is compared to the standard NJPW style, it's a fun wrinkle. Cobb's getting the slow start, but he'll get on a run at some point, though I don't remember his match order so I'm not going to guess exactly when. -Ishii's roaring rampage of revenge against White was awesome, love the two CHAOS gatekeepers getting their pound of flesh off the turncoat. White's whole approach to good guy wrestlers has been to have an answer for their signature attacks, so watching Ishii adjust on the basement lariat was really cool. -Not surprised Taichi took the main event, but appreciate that he saved the iron fingers for the occasion. Of course, the big story now is that White/Naito will likely decide the block at Budokan, yet both have started at 0-2. This isn't a big surprise for the G1 (and meanwhile A block favorite Ibushi is also 0-2, as well), but I'm curious if the two are going to each go on six match winning streaks, or if this could end up being a year where the block winner doesn't finish with a super high point total, maybe 12 will be enough. EDIT: Some disappointing news from Wrestling Observer Radio - Meltzer says he's been told that TV Asahi, one of NJPW's TV partners in Japan (and possibly has a stake in the NJPW World platform?), has told the promotion they don't want Chris Charlton commentating, they only wanting him providing translations for the English broadcast, something the promotion is apparently not happy about because they like Chris a lot. I have no idea why Asahi would care about the English broadcast, which would only be on NJPW World or AXS (Dave speculates they feel he doesn't have the "right look for a wrestling commentator", which he acknowledges would be a ludicrous reason), but that's apparently why he's been pretty quiet lately when he's been on the G1 shows, rather than acting as the sort of modern Mike Tenay he was doing quite well as. My somewhat hot and conspiracy take on this is as someone who only catches clips of English commentary is that TV Asahi is code for Kevin Kelly haha
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jul 16, 2019 6:47:57 GMT -5
I’m usually not that big on the comeback tourney angle and I think most know I won’t believe Naito doing it until it’s done, but where it works for him is that if he goes on a tear every win is against a big opponent pretty much.
I had Ibushi/Okada winning A block but since they seem to want to protect that matchup and extend, them drawing seems plausible, whether that lets either of them win or someone else sneak in.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 16, 2019 12:38:35 GMT -5
Does having both White and Naito start 0-2 not make it a bit predictable that neither loses again until the Block B finale? Sort of, but there is always the danger that one drops another loss and the story of the final becomes that the guy who's behind needs to get a win so they can tie in points and he can tiebreak off of having a win over who he tied. Some like it and some don't, but there's a lot of formulaic stories and 'kinds of run' you see in the G1 when you watch them year on year, there's just so many moving pieces and matchups to get through that those patterns and stories are a given. Personally I find it best to shut out the nights and matchups and what main events when from my mind and focus on the point total as it comes up and as the shows go rather than trying to identify the typical G1 arcs.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 16, 2019 12:49:16 GMT -5
Does having both White and Naito start 0-2 not make it a bit predictable that neither loses again until the Block B finale? Sort of, but there is always the danger that one drops another loss and the story of the final becomes that the guy who's behind needs to get a win so they can tie in points and he can tiebreak off of having a win over who he tied. Some like it and some don't, but there's a lot of formulaic stories and 'kinds of run' you see in the G1 when you watch them year on year, there's just so many moving pieces and matchups to get through that those patterns and stories are a given. Personally I find it best to shut out the nights and matchups and what main events when from my mind and focus on the point total as it comes up and as the shows go rather than trying to identify the typical G1 arcs. Yea, the G1 is typically predictable if you want to look at patterns. However, their is still the fun in some surprise outcomes and seeing what the point totals are by the end of everything and who finished were. White or Naito is def winning the B block but that's not where the intrigue ends. Who defeats Okada in A block, where does KENTA finish at, where does individuals like Mox, Shingo, Ospreay finish in point totals and who did they beat etc.....
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 16, 2019 12:55:20 GMT -5
Sort of, but there is always the danger that one drops another loss and the story of the final becomes that the guy who's behind needs to get a win so they can tie in points and he can tiebreak off of having a win over who he tied. Some like it and some don't, but there's a lot of formulaic stories and 'kinds of run' you see in the G1 when you watch them year on year, there's just so many moving pieces and matchups to get through that those patterns and stories are a given. Personally I find it best to shut out the nights and matchups and what main events when from my mind and focus on the point total as it comes up and as the shows go rather than trying to identify the typical G1 arcs. Yea, the G1 is typically predictable if you want to look at patterns. However, their is still the fun in some surprise outcomes and seeing what the point totals are by the end of everything and who finished were. White or Naito is def winning the B block but that's not where the intrigue ends. Who defeats Okada in A block, where does KENTA finish at, where does individuals like Mox, Shingo, Ospreay finish in point totals and who did they beat etc..... Yeah that's the other thing I like about taking it show by show; you're looking at all of the stories as they play out and watching for who's doing what rather than just focusing on one guy's arc that seems like an easy call. There's only a few guys in the tournament every year who I'm not super interested in seeing the performance of, so there's a lot of stuff to watch unfold and One of the best things about the G1 for me is that it defines months of storylines after and sets up feuds for other shows and other titles, so even a result with two no-chance guys who aren't winning can still be big and interesting
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Post by ANuclearError on Jul 16, 2019 15:31:30 GMT -5
Really, the only guy who right now you can safely ignore is Fale. Everyone else has at least something interesting going on.
I for one cannot wait for Yano to Yano Jay White as part of the CHAOS humiliation conga for Jay.
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Post by Convoy on Jul 17, 2019 7:48:21 GMT -5
Ospreay was cleared by doctors, and will continue competing in the tournament. He faces Ibushi tomorrow.
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Post by clifford on Jul 17, 2019 7:56:54 GMT -5
Ospreay was cleared by doctors, and will continue competing in the tournament. He faces Ibushi tomorrow. Phew. He was scheduled to headline both A Block nights at Korakuen Hall, vs Ibushi and then Okada. Would've been so bummed if they'd been cancelled.
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