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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Mar 8, 2019 2:43:18 GMT -5
God imagine shooting and using real names and being all WRESTLING IS FAKE AND I WON'T DO THEIR ACT ANYMORE but then refer to the audience as the WWE Universe. It's like layers of bad priorities stacked on top of one another. We've got to sell this match with tons of worked shoots and horseshit, but oh we've gotta get those buzzwords in, don't forget about the buzzwords. But how else would we know that Vince is behind it? If it sounds fake and unrealistic as f***, he's behind it. Dude probably fed Ronda the arm-penis bit. Wait, that came out wrong. So did that. Should've given her to Heyman when they had the chance. She's taking everything fun and entertaining about professional wrestling and turning it straight into backyard gutter trash. If it were literally anyone else on the roster, they'd have been kicked off the show and fired on the spot. The extent this company goes for relevancy by dragging their own company through the mud for a pop in money/twitter trends is abhorrent. This is what makes me think Vince is behind it. ANYONE does that they're out. I don't care who you are. Only Vince would be okay with exposing the business. Ronda has had zero backlash on her besides from talent who are making quips about it. It feels like if it were legit, WWE would've had her shut down after "Rebecca Quin..." and she wouldn't be on TV as much. She wouldn't be threatening the talent, she wouldn't be threatening to "be real" or hurt people. No way she'd get away with that. I don't think has THAT much pull in star power to go this long without Vince reigning her in. The minute this started feeling inauthentic and shitty, is the minute my spidey-senses tingled. It's too familiar. But I do agree they should give her Heyman now that she's a full heel. That just writes itself and makes total sense. Let him Advocate for a duo of Athletic Juggernauts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 2:43:26 GMT -5
I know Becky stomping her into paste on social media isn't helping anyone but I want so badly for her to tweet "You also say that about Sandy Hook" and for Ronda to just f***ing disintegrate where she stands. Thing is someone else already beat her to it. Fans are quick these days lol.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 8, 2019 2:44:50 GMT -5
I know Becky stomping her into paste on social media isn't helping anyone but I want so badly for her to tweet "You also say that about Sandy Hook" and for Ronda to just f***ing disintegrate where she stands. Thing is someone else already beat her to it. Fans are quick these days lol. Oh no I'm sure fans are all over that shit, but someone's she's feuding with saying it, who's got over a million followers, is so much more devastating and I want to see the carnage from miles away.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Mar 8, 2019 2:56:38 GMT -5
I preferred Ronda when her idea of promos was to accidentally blurt out all the kinky shit she wants to do with Becky. This shit is so cringey it makes that Austin 3:16 in comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 2:59:14 GMT -5
I preferred Ronda when her idea of promos was to accidentally blurt out all the kinky shit she wants to do with Becky. This shit is so cringey it makes that Austin 3:16 in comparison. I want socially awkward "I know you took my panties, Becky!" babyface Ronda if this is what heel Ronda's going to be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 3:00:42 GMT -5
At this point, I'd rather someone just get abducted by ninjas.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 8, 2019 3:01:59 GMT -5
There is something just so hilarious about her going all shooty and bad-ass while using a term like "WWE Universe." Which is why I think Vince himself has his hands all over this. Let's be honest, this is (was?) the company's only money feud going into WrestleMania, and someone who micromanages as much as Vince is not going to sit back and let anybody else oversee it. I'll be dollars to doughnuts that if Vince wasn't personally behind the camera on Ronda's "shoot", he personally viewed it before it went live.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 3:03:52 GMT -5
You know what I can't wait for? Lana's next "Salty" video where she rips Ronda for EXPOSING THE BUSINESS!
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 8, 2019 3:09:30 GMT -5
Look at Captain Shooty McShooterson.
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Post by schma on Mar 8, 2019 3:19:45 GMT -5
Yes. Regardless of story, Becky is the +1. She got hot so they reworked plans to let Becky in but make it seem like Charlotte was the extra one. The story was fine. Slow. Dumb (in that destination booking way). But fine. Especially compared to this mess. Crazy how much of an effect Nia's accidental punch has had. I think it just accelerated what was coming. Becky was already on that trajectory and may well have gotten into the Mania main event without it. However, it definitely helped.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 3:25:35 GMT -5
Crazy how much of an effect Nia's accidental punch has had. I think it just accelerated what was coming. Becky was already on that trajectory and may well have gotten into the Mania main event without it. However, it definitely helped. Makes me wonder what the planned finish for Becky vs. Ronda at Survivor Series would've been, if she would've done the exact same thing Charlotte did getting DQed and beating Ronda down after the match.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 3:44:01 GMT -5
I think it just accelerated what was coming. Becky was already on that trajectory and may well have gotten into the Mania main event without it. However, it definitely helped. Makes me wonder what the planned finish for Becky vs. Ronda at Survivor Series would've been, if she would've done the exact same thing Charlotte did getting DQed and beating Ronda down after the match. That was apparently the plan. The plan was for Becky to do the exact same thing that Charlotte did, which is what I assume would lead to her being a tweener? That weird IICONICS/babyface badass bit that Charlotte was in the week after had Becky written all over it lol As for all of this? Eh. I really don’t have any form of feelings on it. Ronda’s a heel who’s character is that of someone who’s frustrated and who’s ego has been damaged by the wwe universe to a point where she’s snapped and is now “that bitch again.” Charlotte is the evil Queen, and Becky is the underdog who’s gonna win at Mania. I’m still into it, personally. And I don’t think real life Ronda, someone who’s made it clear that she loves the WWE, would all of a sudden hate the business and all that. You can think it sucks, that’s perfectly fine, and I can personally see why. but I’m seeing soooo many, from Wreddit to Stan twitter, believe that what she’s saying is how she truly, genuinely feels about WWE and the business.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 8, 2019 3:44:21 GMT -5
I don’t honestly care if it’s a work, shoot, worked shoot, shootity worky work, a whole entire inside baseball panel discussion, whatever...
Ratings are falling. Attendances are falling. Both have been going down for a DECADE now. So much so that the only three entities keeping this company alive right now (or will be) are NBC Universal, Post Disney merger Fox and the nation of Saudi freaking Arabia.
They’re either cocky and letting anything happen because they will have enough backup cash to get them through the next 5 years or they’re that bad at their job that everything that can go through will and have no reason to regulate or plan things with forward thinking.
If they’re letting Ronda rip into the business that’s paying her a lot money to hope it draws people in or even if they’re not and Ronda’s going out on their own with no relegation from WWE, this whole thing is making me glad I pay money for indies now.
I’ll say it a thousand times if I have to: I shouldn’t need a goddamn f***ing Wrestling Observer subscription to know what’s going on in a company with FIVE HOURS of weekly TV.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 4:33:12 GMT -5
I'm not saying this is a great idea or anything but there's a decent chance that the emotion you guys are putting into this is exactly how they want you to react.
When you guys say "this angle is out of control," well, it's not firing on all cylinders but I don't know how much this Twitter stuff really counts, as it's all happening in a bubble. You can watch the shows and not worry about their Twitter accounts and still follow along for the most part (aside from following the McMahon's motives but there is nowhere to turn for that).
No one can definitively tell what is real or what is a work here, and I don't think this stuff is reaching and affecting anyone who isn't gonna be watching WrestleMania anyways. I don't think any angle lives or dies on Twitter and I don't really see the value of carny marketing like this in 2019 but 1) what do I know? And 2) I can't deny they're shooting for a certain reaction and getting it.
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Post by Spider2024 on Mar 8, 2019 5:04:23 GMT -5
Let's roll that beautiful bean footage!
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Post by Brian Suntan on Mar 8, 2019 5:04:41 GMT -5
If I am casual UFC fan or a Minivan Suburban Mom Casual Fan what is more likely to get me watch WM? A well crafted storyline that has a historic significance as the 1st Women's match to Headline a Wrestling Event aka a sport/competition I don't watch Hearing about Ronda going apeshit on social media,to a point where you have no idea if she is gonna shoot and beat the **it out of these WWE women? The tv story may border btwn LOLTNA and Russo bad level,but they are gonna get some eyeballs on this and Becky and Charlotte's will actually benefit from this I think this is exactly the logic they're going for. They're hoping casuals/non-fans will watch out of the possibility of seeing something go off the rails live/a legit fight, and that wrestling fans will hate Ronda for breaking kayfabe and like Becky/Charlotte for maintaining it and thus boo the f*** out of Ronda- because the general pattern for over a decade now is that most heat is go-away heat because it's damn hard to be an effective heel without getting 'cool heel' cheers or 'the bad guy is right' pops or support for their ability as a performer. That is their logic, like it or not. And fwiw, I think the crowd will be hotter for the match as a result of all this than they would've been had it just been two months of training videos or whatever. Really, there's so few things you can do to get genuine heat these days, other than insult a local sports team. But nothing pisses people off like offending their booking sensibilities, or shitting on the business. It's going to be like Punk vs Cena in there, which they will see as a success.
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Post by Spider2024 on Mar 8, 2019 5:10:07 GMT -5
At this point, I'd rather someone just get abducted by ninjas. I'm not the only one, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Post by chronocross on Mar 8, 2019 5:21:28 GMT -5
This video HAS to be all Ronda, we can talk shit about WWE all day but do y'all really see them giving her permission for that? Yeah, I can see WWE giving permission for this. This, I wouldn't be surprised a year or so from now when they do the behind the scenes for WM35, you'll see all 3 backstage at the PPV laughing and giving each other a pep talk before the match.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 8, 2019 6:16:14 GMT -5
Hey Ronda, do you ****ing think you could cut down on the unnecessary ****ing swearing? It doesn't make you look ****ing edgy, it just smacks of needing to seem ****ing controversial. (Also nobody can make fun of people from Ohio quite like people from Ohio, so no need to bother.)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2019 6:16:45 GMT -5
It hurts to read this and comprehend that we've even gotten to this point in wrestling. After watching this shit kill TWO MAJOR COMPANIES (If you wanna consider TNA a major company, I do, they were on Major Television for awhile), we are at the point now where WWE is just like "Screw it", screw everything, shoot and work and shoot yourselves into a worked Russoriffic fun time.
I don't care who is responsible, or if they both are, this is a disgrace. Rousey should be ashamed of herself. She disgraces the name of Rowdy Roddy Piper, and everything he stood for. If he was really her idol growing up, she would have an ounce of rationale in her mind about how wrestling works and how you exactly should go about doing it, face or heel. The fact is she does not care, and she cannot handle it. It's not a matter of trying to explain it away anymore, she is an unstable person, who has always been this way, be it how she was raised or just how she is mentally as a person. This is a woman who considered ending her own life, very seriously, after losing a fight in UFC. She's not right, and never has been right, and now it's on full display.
I dont care about this anymore. I want Becky to win the belt, but this is damaged beyond repair. I don't give a shit about Ronda anymore and I wish people would stop giving her chances and paying attention to her, because it's not her gimmick, it's her as a person, and she as a person is... not good, just not good at all, and doesn't deserve an inch when she has burned every bridge repeatedly.
The HHH stuff is really bad as well and further ties into the narrative of how disconnected WWE is with its own product and what people want as they continue to lose people in ratings and at live events just bleeding out hard year after years. The Rousey thing is even worse, it's yet another non WWE name coming in and shitting on the product and its legitimacy bringing it back to its carny days, no care, no grace, just one big joke. Like that SNL idiot made it out to be as well.
You wonder why guys like Rock and Cena look for an out and take it the second it arose for them? You wonder why so many wrestlers AND fans want AEW to succeed? Because the Rousey issue is part of a grand stigma, and the stigma's we keep seeing from WWE as a whole are not getting better, and when they promise they will, they get worse, and worse. Eventually, something is gonna give, whether it be legit alternatives sprouting up, fans leaving wrestling or WWE itself, or WWE collapsing under its own hubris.
Either way this is trash, all of it. It's probably one of the stupidest things I have ever seen as a wresting fan, and I have seen some terrible shit. I may have overstated a few things, I hope I didn't go too far, but really, if WWE is willing to go this far, or if Ronda is willing to go this far with this horse shit (Because one of them did if not both), then I think this needs to be said...
This Mania Build is a big pile of garbage, and even if the Mania is decent, it won't make people forget about the ocean of broken glass we had to wade through to get there..
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