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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 8, 2019 13:32:12 GMT -5
Also, has a top guy ever like outright advocated for an off season like this before? Cause I genuinely can't recall one. I think Reigns has been the only one at that level to do it. Smart idea too. Given all he's gone through and his leverage, his word means a lot. That's a reallyreally big deal then. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that Roman might be the most positive example of a locker room leader to ever exist in wrestling. No bullshit, just a genuine love for everyone around him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 13:36:19 GMT -5
Add on the fact that with Roman health, they have to take this seriously He has a type of Cancer than can never go away fully and will have to take medication for the rest of his life so physical and mental health is a big thing It's not like we don't see some wrestlers for 6-8 weeks at a time. Use that to your advantage. The roster is f***ing stacked and even with an offseason not everyone will be used to their fullest but you at least give guys that break from the road. If they don't want time off that's different but I believe Ambrose was asked about pride in being an "iron man" in WWE before his injury and he said something to the effect of someone else can have that shit They've changed from the young guys who tried to go full throttle all the way through to make a statement into turning into the veterans who understand that it's best to make an impact when you can but to pace yourself and enjoy the ride exactly like the Cena and Ortons before them. I'm not sure but I think Seth might have said something similar as well post-injury. That's a reallyreally big deal then. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that Roman might be the most positive example of a locker room leader to ever exist in wrestling. No bullshit, just a genuine love for everyone around him. I was just thinking about this a few minutes ago. Reigns is a different kind of leader. He's nicer, he's got more of a football mentality but beyond all the other leaders he's about teamwork. All of those before him were more of the "hey you gotta get it by any means" type, Cena was the same although he preached a lot about teamwork (still Cena had his own bus and was away from the boys) but Reigns, since he joined the main roster he's always been about a team. He's really the perfect example of a leader.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 8, 2019 13:40:30 GMT -5
Add on the fact that with Roman health, they have to take this seriously He has a type of Cancer than can never go away fully and will have to take medication for the rest of his life so physical and mental health is a big thing It's not like we don't see some wrestlers for 6-8 weeks at a time. Use that to your advantage. The roster is f***ing stacked and even with an offseason not everyone will be used to their fullest but you at least give guys that break from the road. If they don't want time off that's different but I believe Ambrose was asked about pride in being an "iron man" in WWE before his injury and he said something to the effect of someone else can have that shit They've changed from the young guys who tried to go full throttle all the way through to make a statement into turning into the veterans who understand that it's best to make an impact when you can but to pace yourself and enjoy the ride exactly like the Cena and Ortons before them. I'm not sure but I think Seth might have said something similar as well post-injury. That's a reallyreally big deal then. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that Roman might be the most positive example of a locker room leader to ever exist in wrestling. No bullshit, just a genuine love for everyone around him. I was just thinking about this a few minutes ago. Reigns is a different kind of leader. He's nicer, he's got more of a football mentality but beyond all the other leaders he's about teamwork. All of those before him were more of the "hey you gotta get it by any means" type, Cena was the same although he preached a lot about teamwork (still Cena had his own bus and was away from the boys) but Reigns, since he joined the main roster he's always been about a team. He's really the perfect example of a leader. Roman just comes off like someone that cares so much for the rest of the lockerroom and it's no surprise that no one within wrestling has like an even vaguely bad thing to say about him personally.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 8, 2019 13:40:57 GMT -5
Add on the fact that with Roman health, they have to take this seriously He has a type of Cancer than can never go away fully and will have to take medication for the rest of his life so physical and mental health is a big thing It's not like we don't see some wrestlers for 6-8 weeks at a time. Use that to your advantage. The roster is f***ing stacked and even with an offseason not everyone will be used to their fullest but you at least give guys that break from the road. If they don't want time off that's different but I believe Ambrose was asked about pride in being an "iron man" in WWE before his injury and he said something to the effect of someone else can have that shit They've changed from the young guys who tried to go full throttle all the way through to make a statement into turning into the veterans who understand that it's best to make an impact when you can but to pace yourself and enjoy the ride exactly like the Cena and Ortons before them. I'm not sure but I think Seth might have said something similar as well post-injury. Yea, Ambrose, Reigns, and Rollins are the vets in the lockeroom. They are like 7 years in and still only in their early 30's with another 7-10 years to look forward too Orton is only 38 years old and has been in it like 15 years strong. He's a model of consistency as far as still lasting past the 10 year gap and guys like that see it for what it is. Big Show and Kane as well who Strowman should be paying attention
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 8, 2019 13:45:48 GMT -5
In regards to the off season thing, I saw someone mention that Roman has most definitely seen first hand what working yourself to the bone for ~this business~ can do to someone just by being in the family that he's in, and like I would not be surprised if that's a factor either.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 8, 2019 13:53:08 GMT -5
I think Reigns has been the only one at that level to do it. Smart idea too. Given all he's gone through and his leverage, his word means a lot. That's a reallyreally big deal then. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that Roman might be the most positive example of a locker room leader to ever exist in wrestling. No bullshit, just a genuine love for everyone around him. Definitely one of the best examples. Some of them have been all about themselves, while others not really hands-on from the sounds of things. Like, Undertaker seemed to lead by being a nominally neutral force, so he could be an arbiter, but would try to tutor some guys as personal projects like Big Show. Then, you have Cena, who I don't know if he ever tried to be any kind of a leader. He sounds sometimes like a guy who didn't get especially close to a lot of guys right away because he didn't trust them to not try to leverage it for a push to work for him. Like, didn't sound like an outright dick, just guarded, though I get the impression he mellowed out over time. Roman sounds like he tries to be accessible and to make friends, though we've heard from of course the Enzo stuff that he'll put his foot down, too, if needed.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 8, 2019 13:54:00 GMT -5
In regards to the off season thing, I saw someone mention that Roman has most definitely seen first hand what working yourself to the bone for ~this business~ can do to someone just by being in the family that he's in, and like I would not be surprised if that's a factor either. Pretty much, plus he's also been a football player, so he also has some experience with the whole season approach.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 8, 2019 14:13:15 GMT -5
That's a reallyreally big deal then. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that Roman might be the most positive example of a locker room leader to ever exist in wrestling. No bullshit, just a genuine love for everyone around him. Definitely one of the best examples. Some of them have been all about themselves, while others not really hands-on from the sounds of things. Like, Undertaker seemed to lead by being a nominally neutral force, so he could be an arbiter, but would try to tutor some guys as personal projects like Big Show. Then, you have Cena, who I don't know if he ever tried to be any kind of a leader. He sounds sometimes like a guy who didn't get especially close to a lot of guys right away because he didn't trust them to not try to leverage it for a push to work for him. Like, didn't sound like an outright dick, just guarded, though I get the impression he mellowed out over time. Roman sounds like he tries to be accessible and to make friends, though we've heard from of course the Enzo stuff that he'll put his foot down, too, if needed. I think Cena might have been seen too much as the corporate guy who will tow the company line. How can you complain to Cena when he works 10x harder than you, your supposed to emulate his effort Roman comes across more as understanding and wanting to treat guys as friends not just a co worker. Roman is not worried about his spot getting taken, he just wants people to come in and feel comfortable. Hell, when he got sick last year we heard the story from Black about him and also him giving a wrestler a pair of boots and saying pass it down the line to the next person who needs them. He's just a good dude As you said with the Enzo situation, he knows when to put his foot down.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Mar 8, 2019 14:17:51 GMT -5
Getting wrestlers an off-season might actually be what it takes to get me to start cheering Roman Reigns.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 8, 2019 14:24:24 GMT -5
Yea you can tell why Roman is the lockeroom leader and why him having to leave had a big impact in there It feels like a different company when Roman's at the head of it. Yeah we've got this Becky/Ronda/Charlotte thing, yeah we've for Rollins/Lesnar, we've got Kofi/Bryan for the WWE Title but when Reigns is there it feels like "ok, the dude's home, lets get it." I felt he took that role as he felt the guys who used to be are not there everyday. That what Taker and Mark Henry where but since they retired or became special attractions, they are not at every show. There was talks Mark coming back just to be that locker room guy but Now Reigns is back, maybe he doesn't have to be. While I never been the biggest fan of his, you are right that you can tell a big difference between when he is there and when wasn't.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 8, 2019 15:46:38 GMT -5
I think a revolving off-season might work. Even if it’s just a few weeks and they can work it into storylines if needed. I don't think giving everyone an offseason like they do in pro sports would be a good idea but I definitely rotating talent and giving everyone on the roster a month off just for live events is something to consider. It would give the talent much needed rest and probably cut down on injuries, while at the same time not effecting storylines since they would still be on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 15:46:56 GMT -5
In my day, we didn't have an off season. We worked 365 days a year, wrestled for an hour in three different towns on any given day. We leave one show, get in this ancient form of transportation called a god damn car and take turns driving all night to get to the next show where we would wrestle for an hour. If we were lucky, we get to see our family twice a year. Hell, if we were lucky we got to eat because we were wrestling for $3 and that was ok because it wasn't about the money, it was about love and passion for THIS BUSINESS.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 8, 2019 15:51:49 GMT -5
Yea you can tell why Roman is the lockeroom leader and why him having to leave had a big impact in there Yeah I'm not a fan of the way people parrot those bad jealousy/contrarian excuses about Roman's reception, but there's really no mystery as to why everyone backstage respects the dude so much. He seems to really care about these guys and he's leading the ship right.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 8, 2019 16:38:39 GMT -5
The issue is not guys like Roman getting time off since their spot is pretty much guaranteed. It's the mid-card guys who might not have their spot back if they leave for 3 months.
Someone like Kevin Owens might have been promised a 1 on 1 match at Mania for the title and now he might have lost that opportunity due to no fault of his own.
That could be an extreme example but I would not trust creative to keep my spot if I take a long break unless I am a top star. Not to mention losing momentum as well.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 8, 2019 22:52:40 GMT -5
The issue is not guys like Roman getting time off since their spot is pretty much guaranteed. It's the mid-card guys who might not have their spot back if they leave for 3 months. Someone like Kevin Owens might have been promised a 1 on 1 match at Mania for the title and now he might have lost that opportunity due to no fault of his own. That could be an extreme example but I would not trust creative to keep my spot if I take a long break unless I am a top star. Not to mention losing momentum as well. That's also classically been a concern, plus plain not making as much money. Downside guarantee is all you make if you don't perform more than that, and not being on shows probably isn't going to help your merch sales, either, for that matter, for whatever they have stocked for the live events.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 17:15:00 GMT -5
Getting wrestlers an off-season might actually be what it takes to get me to start cheering Roman Reigns. I still wouldn't cheer him.
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