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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 14:09:01 GMT -5
Looking back on it, JR and Heyman were a much better team than JR and King ever were anyway IMO.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 12, 2019 14:21:38 GMT -5
So on February 27, 2001, WWF releases The Kat. Lawler quits saying he could go to WCW and start the next day. March 23, 2001, WWF purchases WCW. THAT would have been the biggest boner move Lawler could have made there. That's part of the story that doesn't add up. I distinctly remember it being reported that WWE didn't release Lawler from his contract for about a month he quit, then finally did after the WCW purchase. He can quit, but depending on his contract, they could have sat on it and refused to release him till after the WCW purchase leaving him nowhere to go.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 12, 2019 14:28:14 GMT -5
I always felt bad for Jerry over that(especially the part where she cheated on him), but JR AND Heyman were great together.
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Post by Perd on Mar 12, 2019 14:28:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember she got caught cheating very shortly after all this took place. With one of the Dupp brothers if I recall correctly.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 12, 2019 14:31:40 GMT -5
Pretty shitty of Lawler to try to pull that stunt. Didn't she cheat on him not long after? Don’t know why King expected anywhere near the loyalty he showed her I leave my job for you cause they fired you and you cheat on me
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Post by cjh on Mar 12, 2019 14:37:18 GMT -5
That's part of the story that doesn't add up. I distinctly remember it being reported that WWE didn't release Lawler from his contract for about a month he quit, then finally did after the WCW purchase. He can quit, but depending on his contract, they could have sat on it and refused to release him till after the WCW purchase leaving him nowhere to go. Yes, exactly, which is why the part of the story that says Lawler claimed he had a WCW contract on the table that he could sign the next day doesn't make sense. It makes even less sense when you consider WCW would had to have made this offer before Lawler quit WWE.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 12, 2019 14:48:06 GMT -5
He can quit, but depending on his contract, they could have sat on it and refused to release him till after the WCW purchase leaving him nowhere to go. Yes, exactly, which is why the part of the story that says Lawler claimed he had a WCW contract on the table that he could sign the next day doesn't make sense. It makes even less sense when you consider WCW would had to have made this offer before Lawler quit WWE. Guy was angry and trying the threaten them into keeping his wife, he'd say a lot of things in that situation.
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Post by cjh on Mar 12, 2019 14:52:15 GMT -5
Yes, exactly, which is why the part of the story that says Lawler claimed he had a WCW contract on the table that he could sign the next day doesn't make sense. It makes even less sense when you consider WCW would had to have made this offer before Lawler quit WWE. Guy was angry and trying the threaten them into keeping his wife, he'd say a lot of things in that situation. Yeah, possibly, or it was Prichard lying or getting the timeline wrong. WCW could have offered a deal in the days after Lawler left.
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Post by phen0m2112 on Mar 12, 2019 15:08:45 GMT -5
My first live show was the RAW in Phx. the night before. So I witnessed Quaker Kat's last performance. Yay. Oh and Trish having the old "throwing everything disgusting in a bucket and pour it on her" push. Did see Molly Holly v Trish,though. I am so glad women's wrestling has changed
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 12, 2019 17:54:57 GMT -5
I feel like it's kinda f***ed up to tell someone OTHER than the person being fired that they're getting fired first.
But hey, maybe that's part of what the 'independent contractor' status gets them. Also, American employee rights are weird shit.
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Post by héad.casé on Mar 12, 2019 18:05:02 GMT -5
I feel like it's kinda f***ed up to tell someone OTHER than the person being fired that they're getting fired first. But hey, maybe that's part of what the 'independent contractor' status gets them. Also, American employee rights are weird shit. This. I mean I get what they were trying to do in telling the husband first, but did they really think he’d be all “ok I guess I better break it to her then”.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 12, 2019 18:15:34 GMT -5
I always felt bad for Jerry over that(especially the part where she cheated on him), but JR AND Heyman were great together. JR and Paul had chemistry back into their WCW days. One thing that gets lost is that Ross could sell utter bullshit well. From a dry remark to facial expressions that say, "sorry for the nonsense this motherf***er is spewing.". It was great.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 12, 2019 18:22:37 GMT -5
I feel like it's kinda f***ed up to tell someone OTHER than the person being fired that they're getting fired first. But hey, maybe that's part of what the 'independent contractor' status gets them. Also, American employee rights are weird shit. I mean they didn’t expect him to take it well but I see where JR is coming from. JR is in talent relations, so if JR went to Kat and told her she was fired and she relayed the message to King, he would been like this dirty mf’er knew she was getting fired and didn’t even give me a hint JR was showing King a courtesy in that regard. He was only telling him first because of the situation
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 12, 2019 18:24:28 GMT -5
I feel like it's kinda f***ed up to tell someone OTHER than the person being fired that they're getting fired first. But hey, maybe that's part of what the 'independent contractor' status gets them. Also, American employee rights are weird shit. I mean they didn’t expect him to take it well but I see where JR is coming from. JR is in talent relations, so if JR went to Kat and told her she was fired and she relayed the message to King, he would been like this dirty mf’er knew she was getting fired and didn’t even give me a hint JR was showing King a courtesy in that regard. He was only telling him first because of the situation I understand all the human reasons there, but I think part of why wrestling gets so f***ed up is not following the rules of the real world, and I think basically any other employer would have considered this a pretty insane confidentiality breach. Lawler was not management and did not work in talent relations. From a privileged information perspective, this was the equivalent of telling the receptionist that you're about to fire the groundskeeper.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 12, 2019 18:30:22 GMT -5
Pretty shitty of Lawler to try to pull that stunt. Didn't she cheat on him not long after? According to Ivory, Kat was already cheating on Lawler with Lawler's knowledge, and he was trying to hold things together that obviously weren't working. She was younger than Brian, if I recall, so it was some major hubris on Jerry's part to think that marriage was going to last.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 12, 2019 19:46:21 GMT -5
I feel like it's kinda f***ed up to tell someone OTHER than the person being fired that they're getting fired first. But hey, maybe that's part of what the 'independent contractor' status gets them. Also, American employee rights are weird shit. I mean they didn’t expect him to take it well but I see where JR is coming from. JR is in talent relations, so if JR went to Kat and told her she was fired and she relayed the message to King, he would been like this dirty mf’er knew she was getting fired and didn’t even give me a hint JR was showing King a courtesy in that regard. He was only telling him first because of the situation Why not tell them both at the same time? Like, get them both together in a private office or something and explain the situation? Kind of like what would happen in a real business?
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Mar 12, 2019 19:59:53 GMT -5
So on February 27, 2001, WWF releases The Kat. Lawler quits saying he could go to WCW and start the next day. March 23, 2001, WWF purchases WCW. THAT would have been the biggest boner move Lawler could have made there. I remember hearing the quote about Lawler jumping to WCW at the time this all went down, but I always took it to be more of a hypothetical; Lawler would have surely gone to WCW as a fall back. However, this was also during the time when it was believed Fusient would be buying WCW along with Eric Bischoff, so I'm not sure what any "WCW contract" would look like during this period of uncertainty. WCW was still looking to bring guys in during this time, like Steve Corino and Sabu, but I don't know if it was Turner or Fusient who were looking to pick up the tab on those. Amusingly enough, this was only the first time that year that Lawler would be associated with WCW. It was heavily rumored that the WWF wanted him for their WCW brand (I'm not sure if this is after Kat left him), and he was supposedly going to call the infamous Booker/Bagwell match alongside Scott Hudson on Raw is WCW. When no deal could be worked out, they settled on Arn.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 12, 2019 20:19:08 GMT -5
I mean they didn’t expect him to take it well but I see where JR is coming from. JR is in talent relations, so if JR went to Kat and told her she was fired and she relayed the message to King, he would been like this dirty mf’er knew she was getting fired and didn’t even give me a hint JR was showing King a courtesy in that regard. He was only telling him first because of the situation Why not tell them both at the same time? Like, get them both together in a private office or something and explain the situation? Kind of like what would happen in a real business? That also could have and should have been an option
I guess I don't see the big problem. It's not like they were never going to tell her and he wanted to notify King first so he can possibly give her moral support or the fact she could been on King ass about getting her job back and he could said there is nothing I can do
I just don't see the OMG this isn't real business logic. This was an outlier and could been handled better but the intentions were "pure" in regards to letting King know so he doesn't think
1. JR is scheming behind his back 2. King give his wife the moral support when they break the news to her
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Post by jimmyjames on Mar 13, 2019 2:09:47 GMT -5
I’m sure Jerry has regrets about walking out in her defence now because a short while after this he and Kat split up anyway and Jerry was back by the end of the year. He does. There was an episode of Raw were in the course of commentary he made a joke along the lines ofit being a bad idea to immediately take your woman's side in an argument and deliver an ultimatum and said something like trust me I know and JR started laughing
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Post by Prince Petty on Mar 13, 2019 6:19:58 GMT -5
I mean they didn’t expect him to take it well but I see where JR is coming from. JR is in talent relations, so if JR went to Kat and told her she was fired and she relayed the message to King, he would been like this dirty mf’er knew she was getting fired and didn’t even give me a hint JR was showing King a courtesy in that regard. He was only telling him first because of the situation Why not tell them both at the same time? Like, get them both together in a private office or something and explain the situation? Kind of like what would happen in a real business? Would a real business make sure that an employee being fired had their co-worker boyfriend/girlfriend in the room with them, when it happened? That doesn't seem very professional to me.
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