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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 12, 2019 18:21:29 GMT -5
The thing that gets to me about it is...in this new “kayfabe” they’re building, it makes the company look like the most incompetent bunch of people ever, especially on social media.
Yes, there is a shock factor to it all but, like, you’re a billion dollar company with TV deals up the wazoo, getting money from an oil rich country and have hands in many different pies but nobody has any idea how to say “Hey guys, can you shut the ever loving f*** up and settle down please?”
Like, Vince has enough time to tell Kofi and Becky they won’t get title shots but not enough time to get someone to beat Lana with her phone and hurl it into the sea never to be seen again?
The only difference, in storyline, between them and the people that wrecked Toys R Us is WWE actually has money coming in.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Mar 12, 2019 19:18:27 GMT -5
The thing that gets to me about it is...in this new “kayfabe” they’re building, it makes the company look like the most incompetent bunch of people ever, especially on social media. Yes, there is a shock factor to it all but, like, you’re a billion dollar company with TV deals up the wazoo, getting money from an oil rich country and have hands in many different pies but nobody has any idea how to say “Hey guys, can you shut the ever loving f*** up and settle down please?” Like, Vince has enough time to tell Kofi and Becky they won’t get title shots but not enough time to get someone to beat Lana with her phone and hurl it into the sea never to be seen again? The only difference, in storyline, between them and the people that wrecked Toys R Us is WWE actually has money coming in. I don't really get your point here. Like, they should also try and stop their performers constantly being assaulted after matches too, but hey ho.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 12, 2019 19:20:33 GMT -5
WWE in 2019 do worked shoot stuff worse than Vince Russo ever did and that really says a lot given that Vince Russo was the absolute king of horrendous worked shoots until now.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 12, 2019 19:21:11 GMT -5
The thing that gets to me about it is...in this new “kayfabe” they’re building, it makes the company look like the most incompetent bunch of people ever, especially on social media. Yes, there is a shock factor to it all but, like, you’re a billion dollar company with TV deals up the wazoo, getting money from an oil rich country and have hands in many different pies but nobody has any idea how to say “Hey guys, can you shut the ever loving f*** up and settle down please?” Like, Vince has enough time to tell Kofi and Becky they won’t get title shots but not enough time to get someone to beat Lana with her phone and hurl it into the sea never to be seen again? The only difference, in storyline, between them and the people that wrecked Toys R Us is WWE actually has money coming in. I don't really get your point here. Like, they should also try and stop their performers constantly being assaulted after matches too, but hey ho. I mean, there’s security for that and they do punish people for assaulting others by making matches and the like so there’s plot reason for most of it. What’s Lana shooting leading to for example? Her leaving after her contract expires? Her being fired? Is she getting a push from it or sticking to the pre show?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 19:28:06 GMT -5
It makes no f***ing sense to be mixing real life in a land of make-believe. I wish they would just stop now.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Mar 12, 2019 19:56:47 GMT -5
I don't really get your point here. Like, they should also try and stop their performers constantly being assaulted after matches too, but hey ho. I mean, there’s security for that and they do punish people for assaulting others by making matches and the like so there’s plot reason for most of it. What’s Lana shooting leading to for example? Her leaving after her contract expires? Her being fired? Is she getting a push from it or sticking to the pre show? People assaulting each other outside of matches wouldn't fly in boxing or MMA. In kayfabe, it doesn't make any sense for the WWE to allow it either, but you accept it. They see value in allowing their talent to stir things up on the internet.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Mar 12, 2019 20:11:52 GMT -5
*laughs to self and shakes head*
This pretty much confirms my suspicions the entire time that Vince is behind it.
And even then he gave us several clues along the way b/c he can't help himself.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 12, 2019 20:12:58 GMT -5
Incorporating some real-life elements, even worked-shoot style, can work in wrestling...to a point. The catch, like so many other things in wrestling, is that you have to incorporate things that can inform and shape how the action actually goes down in the ring. A lot of Japanese companies have their wrestlers maintain a weird sort of kayfabe even when they do seemingly non-kayfabe interviews, and they often allow what's said in them to inform the story an upcoming match is going to tell.
Problem is, if you're going with the "this is actually fake!" angle then there's really nothing you can do in the ring to pay that off. It's not a matter of the wrestlers having different ideologies, or one feeling that the other has disrespected them or their ability, or one wanting to prove their worth and status within a promotion, etc., it's suddenly "this isn't real, you morons", which tells the audience that nothing that happens matters, because hey, it's all fake! And if they're going for "everything else is fake, but THIS match/angle is real!", then you're telling people to ignore or diminish the other 90% or whatever of the card. It's self-defeating.
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Post by schma on Mar 12, 2019 20:48:11 GMT -5
In the case of Dana I think maybe they tried to make it look like subdued makeup to give the impression that she was so bothered by what Ronda said that she had to come out regardless of how she looked. That's a guess.
I think she actually showed some passion and it made sense that it was Dana doing it. She's been making efforts to elevate herself since the leadup to Evolution. She's also in a position where getting wrecked by Ronda won't really hurt her.
However, I was dismayed to see Ronda start to play with breaking kayfabe on screen. She didn't go as far as her online stuff but she didn't have to. There are so many better ways to build this up.
Wrestling like comics, movies, videogames or other media need internal consistency. Can a guy really turn to metal and become super strong? No. However, in the X-men universe he can and its internally consistent. Wrestling can flirt with 'reality' but showing the man behind the curtain destroys internal consistency which in turn destroys suspension of disbelief. Without suspension of disbelief there's no reason to engage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 3:53:37 GMT -5
In the case of Dana I think maybe they tried to make it look like subdued makeup to give the impression that she was so bothered by what Ronda said that she had to come out regardless of how she looked. That's a guess. I think she actually showed some passion and it made sense that it was Dana doing it. She's been making efforts to elevate herself since the leadup to Evolution. She's also in a position where getting wrecked by Ronda won't really hurt her. However, I was dismayed to see Ronda start to play with breaking kayfabe on screen. She didn't go as far as her online stuff but she didn't have to. There are so many better ways to build this up. Wrestling like comics, movies, videogames or other media need internal consistency. Can a guy really turn to metal and become super strong? No. However, in the X-men universe he can and its internally consistent. Wrestling can flirt with 'reality' but showing the man behind the curtain destroys internal consistency which in turn destroys suspension of disbelief. Without suspension of disbelief there's no reason to engage. One of my favorite Deadpool arcs is "Kills the marvel universe" and he decides to do it because he realizes that his universe is nothing more than entertainment for our universe. The deaths/reincarnations etc are done by the artists/creators and he wants to put his universe out of its misery, but despite being self aware he's in a created universe it still matters and is real to him/spiderman etc. Deadpool never says "well the other 90% is still meaningless make believe b.s, but me fighting the creators in your world is real!" Vince's shame of being associated with wrestling seems to be bleeding out all over.
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