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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 16, 2019 20:20:59 GMT -5
I'm not giving that woman any excuses for her f*** ups nor props for doing simple things right
She did bad a lot more then she did any good
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 16, 2019 22:04:25 GMT -5
Everything good that ever happened in TNA came from people who weren't her. Dixie Carter had no reason to be in the position she was in, no qualification to run a wrestling company, and all she ever had going for her were rich parents who pumped money into it. Dixie wasn't even the money mark, she was the money marks' clueless daughter who was handed a vanity promotion to toy around with. There's cases to be made for a lot of promoters doing bad shit, but those promoters were often the bookers or had careers in wrestling before those days and were involved in the business, and brought things to the table. Dixie just sat around making horrible management decisions while the talented people on the payroll tried to make the show into the best thing they could. TNA was a show of great wrestlers and on rare occasion even sometimes great stories hampered by mismanagement. Dixie was the mismanagement. To me that is a slippery slope. She always put wrestling people in charge. A lot of the top guys in WWE today were her top guys. She was just the money, she let the top wrestling people in the world make decisions about the product- from Cornette to Prichard to Jarrett to Russo to Bischcoff to Hogan to whoever else- these are the people that have ran every successful wrestling company of the last 20 to 30 years outside of Mcmahon and Heyman. Dismissing something as "it's a slippery slope" doesn't track; the good things that Dixie did were to hire people who made the good parts of a television show. She didn't make those things herself, she didn't have those ideas or make those decisions, she just told people yes. She also said yes to a lot of people who made terrible TV, and has responsibility for those too. But the real legacy of Dixie, who didn't book a show or wrestle, is one of how she ran TNA as a company, and in that you see people whose lives were actively harmed by the decisions she made in terms of finances, handling the injures of people working for her, hiring neo-nazi thugs to intimidate people owed back pay, f***ing with peoples' opportunities elsewhere, making decisions to the active detriment of her company, committing fraud to bilk money out of Billy Corgan... Those are Dixie Carter's ideas. Dixie wasn't even the money, her parents were. The direct additions Dixie brought to the product were not her own and to give her credit for the top stars being as good as they are is giving her credit she doesn't deserve. Here, I'll even put it to you this was far as "slippery slope" goes. Vince Russo. I hate the man, I think his efforts have been a net negative on the business as a whole and that he has done lasting damage. He also wrote television during one of the biggest and most successful periods in wrestling history and in some way or another, Vince McMahon listening to his ideas broke them out of a stagnant place and re-energized the company. THere's a lot of things that can be said about how much of that was him, if he needed a filter, his shit in WCW, but I would at least entertain the notion of Vince Russo doing more good than bad as an argument to consider on the basis of that he himself did that good. Dixie? Nah man Dixie's a waste of skin.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 17, 2019 8:00:01 GMT -5
To me that is a slippery slope. She always put wrestling people in charge. A lot of the top guys in WWE today were her top guys. She was just the money, she let the top wrestling people in the world make decisions about the product- from Cornette to Prichard to Jarrett to Russo to Bischcoff to Hogan to whoever else- these are the people that have ran every successful wrestling company of the last 20 to 30 years outside of Mcmahon and Heyman. Dismissing something as "it's a slippery slope" doesn't track; the good things that Dixie did were to hire people who made the good parts of a television show. She didn't make those things herself, she didn't have those ideas or make those decisions, she just told people yes. She also said yes to a lot of people who made terrible TV, and has responsibility for those too. But the real legacy of Dixie, who didn't book a show or wrestle, is one of how she ran TNA as a company, and in that you see people whose lives were actively harmed by the decisions she made in terms of finances, handling the injures of people working for her, hiring neo-nazi thugs to intimidate people owed back pay, f***ing with peoples' opportunities elsewhere, making decisions to the active detriment of her company, committing fraud to bilk money out of Billy Corgan... Those are Dixie Carter's ideas. Dixie wasn't even the money, her parents were. The direct additions Dixie brought to the product were not her own and to give her credit for the top stars being as good as they are is giving her credit she doesn't deserve. Here, I'll even put it to you this was far as "slippery slope" goes. Vince Russo. I hate the man, I think his efforts have been a net negative on the business as a whole and that he has done lasting damage. He also wrote television during one of the biggest and most successful periods in wrestling history and in some way or another, Vince McMahon listening to his ideas broke them out of a stagnant place and re-energized the company. THere's a lot of things that can be said about how much of that was him, if he needed a filter, his shit in WCW, but I would at least entertain the notion of Vince Russo doing more good than bad as an argument to consider on the basis of that he himself did that good. Dixie? Nah man Dixie's a waste of skin. Saying that the only good thing she did was hire good people she her job was to hire good people is kind of contradictory. And calling someone you don’t know a “waste of skin” because you don’t like the way they ran a wrestling promotion is kind of crazy. No one from TNA has anything bad to say about her, they all say they enjoyed working for her and she was a nice lady. So, maybe you don’t know what you are talking about? Saying she hired neo Nazi thugs to intimidate people... are you just making things up? The courts ruled against Corgan in his fight with Dixie. Again, the moments TNA are remembered for, talked about still, their most successful times all came under her. Their biggest deals, their most viewers, all that. She ran the most successful wrestling company since WCW. Yea, she didn’t get them over the hump, and things got crazy financially, but that has happened to every wrestling promoter ever not named Vince McMahon. And there wouldn’t be a TNA to talk about today without Dixie Carter. I am not saying she is the greatest businesswoman ever, but she isn’t as terrible as made out to be. That’s all. Again, there wouldn’t even be a TNA to talk about to this degree without her. She ultimately failed as a wrestling promoter, but most people do. Still, she kept the company alive, she helped with the deal to get them on Spike, and provided the vehicle which allowed guys the opportunity to make a living full time in the wrestling business for over a decade. There are only a few people ever who can say that. Say what you will about the creative mistakes and the bad choices, but a lot of people made a good living for a long time from this company. It has helped a lot of wrestlers career. I am not a big TNA guy, but I recognize she tried hard to keep that company alive for a long time. Without Dixe, where does AJ Styles work all these years? Samoa Joe? Christopher Daniels? It’s hard to think what these guys would have done all these years if it wasn’t for TNA paying them a really good guaranteed income. I just can’t imagine them grinding it out in ROH or Japan all these years.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 17, 2019 8:31:09 GMT -5
Dismissing something as "it's a slippery slope" doesn't track; the good things that Dixie did were to hire people who made the good parts of a television show. She didn't make those things herself, she didn't have those ideas or make those decisions, she just told people yes. She also said yes to a lot of people who made terrible TV, and has responsibility for those too. But the real legacy of Dixie, who didn't book a show or wrestle, is one of how she ran TNA as a company, and in that you see people whose lives were actively harmed by the decisions she made in terms of finances, handling the injures of people working for her, hiring neo-nazi thugs to intimidate people owed back pay, f***ing with peoples' opportunities elsewhere, making decisions to the active detriment of her company, committing fraud to bilk money out of Billy Corgan... Those are Dixie Carter's ideas. Dixie wasn't even the money, her parents were. The direct additions Dixie brought to the product were not her own and to give her credit for the top stars being as good as they are is giving her credit she doesn't deserve. Here, I'll even put it to you this was far as "slippery slope" goes. Vince Russo. I hate the man, I think his efforts have been a net negative on the business as a whole and that he has done lasting damage. He also wrote television during one of the biggest and most successful periods in wrestling history and in some way or another, Vince McMahon listening to his ideas broke them out of a stagnant place and re-energized the company. THere's a lot of things that can be said about how much of that was him, if he needed a filter, his shit in WCW, but I would at least entertain the notion of Vince Russo doing more good than bad as an argument to consider on the basis of that he himself did that good. Dixie? Nah man Dixie's a waste of skin. Saying that the only good thing she did was hire good people she her job was to hire good people is kind of contradictory. And calling someone you don’t know a “waste of skin” because you don’t like the way they ran a wrestling promotion is kind of crazy. No one from TNA has anything bad to say about her, they all say they enjoyed working for her and she was a nice lady. So, maybe you don’t know what you are talking about? Saying she hired neo Nazi thugs to intimidate people... are you just making things up? The courts ruled against Corgan in his fight with Dixie. Again, the moments TNA are remembered for, talked about still, their most successful times all came under her. Their biggest deals, their most viewers, all that. She ran the most successful wrestling company since WCW. Yea, she didn’t get them over the hump, and things got crazy financially, but that has happened to every wrestling promoter ever not named Vince McMahon. And there wouldn’t be a TNA to talk about today without Dixie Carter. I am not saying she is the greatest businesswoman ever, but she isn’t as terrible as made out to be. That’s all. Again, there wouldn’t even be a TNA to talk about to this degree without her. She ultimately failed as a wrestling promoter, but most people do. Still, she kept the company alive, she helped with the deal to get them on Spike, and provided the vehicle which allowed guys the opportunity to make a living full time in the wrestling business for over a decade. There are only a few people ever who can say that. Say what you will about the creative mistakes and the bad choices, but a lot of people made a good living for a long time from this company. It has helped a lot of wrestlers career. I am not a big TNA guy, but I recognize she tried hard to keep that company alive for a long time. Without Dixe, where does AJ Styles work all these years? Samoa Joe? Christopher Daniels? It’s hard to think what these guys would have done all these years if it wasn’t for TNA paying them a really good guaranteed income. I just can’t imagine them grinding it out in ROH or Japan all these years. I'm not saying her job was just to hire people, I'm saying her job was to run a company, and beyond the hiring of people, she ran that company poorly. Where this idea nobody has anything bad to say about her comes from is beyond me, but shit like their handling of the injuries of Jesse Sorensen and Daffney stand in contrast to that idea pretty hard. Plenty of people calling her a money mark, including AJ himself saying that she cared more about people she saw on WWE TV than her own roster. The Harris Twins have SS tattoos and were brought on to intimidate production people mad about back pay; the neo nazi thug part speaks for itself there. And not quite on the courts front; they dismissed his claim that he could take ownership of the company, and it was that very ownership scheme and the way they signed a deal not legally enforceable in the state of Tennessee that wouldn't have given him the company, then tried to stiff him on the money back is exactly the fraud I'm talking about; the judge did demand he be paid back and it took some hoop jumping for him to get the money. Dixie Carter did not keep the company alive. Her parents' money did. Dixie mismanaged the company with self-destructive ideas, bizarre spite moves like a billboard in Stamford when the company wasn't advertising their shows anywhere, hiring Russo and doing man-on-woman violence against network orders to kill off their Spike deal, CCing the president of DA in on an email calling him a dummy, and a plethora of other insane, baffling ideas. TNA did not succeed because of Dixie Carter it succeeded in spite of Dixie Carter; the talents of the wrestlers endured through years of bad writing and bad business to keep people passionate about the company. She didn't come into this thinking "Get me Samoa Joe we're going to make him a star" and she wasn't the one in the writer's room who came up with it, she just signed the checks. On the business end of things, TNA f***ed a lot of people over financially, played games with contract resignings, didn't take care of its wrestlers, and pissed off a bunch of television networks who now won't touch wrestling again. She would not have held the job for as long as she did if her parents did not keep the company afloat so she could have something to do.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 17, 2019 10:04:48 GMT -5
Saying that the only good thing she did was hire good people she her job was to hire good people is kind of contradictory. And calling someone you don’t know a “waste of skin” because you don’t like the way they ran a wrestling promotion is kind of crazy. No one from TNA has anything bad to say about her, they all say they enjoyed working for her and she was a nice lady. So, maybe you don’t know what you are talking about? Saying she hired neo Nazi thugs to intimidate people... are you just making things up? The courts ruled against Corgan in his fight with Dixie. Again, the moments TNA are remembered for, talked about still, their most successful times all came under her. Their biggest deals, their most viewers, all that. She ran the most successful wrestling company since WCW. Yea, she didn’t get them over the hump, and things got crazy financially, but that has happened to every wrestling promoter ever not named Vince McMahon. And there wouldn’t be a TNA to talk about today without Dixie Carter. I am not saying she is the greatest businesswoman ever, but she isn’t as terrible as made out to be. That’s all. Again, there wouldn’t even be a TNA to talk about to this degree without her. She ultimately failed as a wrestling promoter, but most people do. Still, she kept the company alive, she helped with the deal to get them on Spike, and provided the vehicle which allowed guys the opportunity to make a living full time in the wrestling business for over a decade. There are only a few people ever who can say that. Say what you will about the creative mistakes and the bad choices, but a lot of people made a good living for a long time from this company. It has helped a lot of wrestlers career. I am not a big TNA guy, but I recognize she tried hard to keep that company alive for a long time. Without Dixe, where does AJ Styles work all these years? Samoa Joe? Christopher Daniels? It’s hard to think what these guys would have done all these years if it wasn’t for TNA paying them a really good guaranteed income. I just can’t imagine them grinding it out in ROH or Japan all these years. I'm not saying her job was just to hire people, I'm saying her job was to run a company, and beyond the hiring of people, she ran that company poorly. Where this idea nobody has anything bad to say about her comes from is beyond me, but shit like their handling of the injuries of Jesse Sorensen and Daffney stand in contrast to that idea pretty hard. Plenty of people calling her a money mark, including AJ himself saying that she cared more about people she saw on WWE TV than her own roster. The Harris Twins have SS tattoos and were brought on to intimidate production people mad about back pay; the neo nazi thug part speaks for itself there. And not quite on the courts front; they dismissed his claim that he could take ownership of the company, and it was that very ownership scheme and the way they signed a deal not legally enforceable in the state of Tennessee that wouldn't have given him the company, then tried to stiff him on the money back is exactly the fraud I'm talking about; the judge did demand he be paid back and it took some hoop jumping for him to get the money. Dixie Carter did not keep the company alive. Her parents' money did. Dixie mismanaged the company with self-destructive ideas, bizarre spite moves like a billboard in Stamford when the company wasn't advertising their shows anywhere, hiring Russo and doing man-on-woman violence against network orders to kill off their Spike deal, CCing the president of DA in on an email calling him a dummy, and a plethora of other insane, baffling ideas. TNA did not succeed because of Dixie Carter it succeeded in spite of Dixie Carter; the talents of the wrestlers endured through years of bad writing and bad business to keep people passionate about the company. She didn't come into this thinking "Get me Samoa Joe we're going to make him a star" and she wasn't the one in the writer's room who came up with it, she just signed the checks. On the business end of things, TNA f***ed a lot of people over financially, played games with contract resignings, didn't take care of its wrestlers, and pissed off a bunch of television networks who now won't touch wrestling again. She would not have held the job for as long as she did if her parents did not keep the company afloat so she could have something to do. The alternative is if Jeff Jarrett never meets Dixie Carter in 2002 there is no TNA and these guys and girls don’t make a living for over a decade wrestling on national tv. That’s what I was trying to say on my original post that has sparked this back and forth. Most people say she ruined TNA, but she also allowed it to happen. The good times were under her as well as the bad times. I don’t know about the Harris Twins as hired thugs shaming people down in the back. I never heard that. I do know they bought into the company and were part owners when all the Corgan/Anthen/Dixie stuff went down. And, yes, by that point things were completely off the rails and Carter was drowning and refused to ask for a life line. The whole TNA story is crazy and it isn’t all her fault. I don’t think she is an evil person, she just didn’t know anything about the wrestling business, but a lot of good cake from her time in the business.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 17, 2019 10:38:11 GMT -5
I'm not saying her job was just to hire people, I'm saying her job was to run a company, and beyond the hiring of people, she ran that company poorly. Where this idea nobody has anything bad to say about her comes from is beyond me, but shit like their handling of the injuries of Jesse Sorensen and Daffney stand in contrast to that idea pretty hard. Plenty of people calling her a money mark, including AJ himself saying that she cared more about people she saw on WWE TV than her own roster. The Harris Twins have SS tattoos and were brought on to intimidate production people mad about back pay; the neo nazi thug part speaks for itself there. And not quite on the courts front; they dismissed his claim that he could take ownership of the company, and it was that very ownership scheme and the way they signed a deal not legally enforceable in the state of Tennessee that wouldn't have given him the company, then tried to stiff him on the money back is exactly the fraud I'm talking about; the judge did demand he be paid back and it took some hoop jumping for him to get the money. Dixie Carter did not keep the company alive. Her parents' money did. Dixie mismanaged the company with self-destructive ideas, bizarre spite moves like a billboard in Stamford when the company wasn't advertising their shows anywhere, hiring Russo and doing man-on-woman violence against network orders to kill off their Spike deal, CCing the president of DA in on an email calling him a dummy, and a plethora of other insane, baffling ideas. TNA did not succeed because of Dixie Carter it succeeded in spite of Dixie Carter; the talents of the wrestlers endured through years of bad writing and bad business to keep people passionate about the company. She didn't come into this thinking "Get me Samoa Joe we're going to make him a star" and she wasn't the one in the writer's room who came up with it, she just signed the checks. On the business end of things, TNA f***ed a lot of people over financially, played games with contract resignings, didn't take care of its wrestlers, and pissed off a bunch of television networks who now won't touch wrestling again. She would not have held the job for as long as she did if her parents did not keep the company afloat so she could have something to do. The alternative is if Jeff Jarrett never meets Dixie Carter in 2002 there is no TNA and these guys and girls don’t make a living for over a decade wrestling on national tv. That’s what I was trying to say on my original post that has sparked this back and forth. Most people say she ruined TNA, but she also allowed it to happen. The good times were under her as well as the bad times. I don’t know about the Harris Twins as hired thugs shaming people down in the back. I never heard that. I do know they bought into the company and were part owners when all the Corgan/Anthen/Dixie stuff went down. And, yes, by that point things were completely off the rails and Carter was drowning and refused to ask for a life line. The whole TNA story is crazy and it isn’t all her fault. I don’t think she is an evil person, she just didn’t know anything about the wrestling business, but a lot of good cake from her time in the business. She purposely lied to Billy Corgan about selling the company to him. She did this whole song and dance backstage telling the wrestlers he’s the new boss, when she never had any intention of that up. She used him for funds to keep the company afloat Also in regards to Harris Twins, the production people were complaining about their checks being late by a few weeks and were going to pull out. They brought the Harris Bros in to make people shut up about their pay and still do their job
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 17, 2019 16:09:27 GMT -5
The alternative is if Jeff Jarrett never meets Dixie Carter in 2002 there is no TNA and these guys and girls don’t make a living for over a decade wrestling on national tv. That’s what I was trying to say on my original post that has sparked this back and forth. Most people say she ruined TNA, but she also allowed it to happen. The good times were under her as well as the bad times. I don’t know about the Harris Twins as hired thugs shaming people down in the back. I never heard that. I do know they bought into the company and were part owners when all the Corgan/Anthen/Dixie stuff went down. And, yes, by that point things were completely off the rails and Carter was drowning and refused to ask for a life line. The whole TNA story is crazy and it isn’t all her fault. I don’t think she is an evil person, she just didn’t know anything about the wrestling business, but a lot of good cake from her time in the business. She purposely lied to Billy Corgan about selling the company to him. She did this whole song and dance backstage telling the wrestlers he’s the new boss, when she never had any intention of that up. She used him for funds to keep the company afloat Also in regards to Harris Twins, the production people were complaining about their checks being late by a few weeks and were going to pull out. They brought the Harris Bros in to make people shut up about their pay and still do their job months. they weren't getting paid for like months at a time.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 17, 2019 16:30:25 GMT -5
She purposely lied to Billy Corgan about selling the company to him. She did this whole song and dance backstage telling the wrestlers he’s the new boss, when she never had any intention of that up. She used him for funds to keep the company afloat Also in regards to Harris Twins, the production people were complaining about their checks being late by a few weeks and were going to pull out. They brought the Harris Bros in to make people shut up about their pay and still do their job months. they weren't getting paid for like months at a time. See. I don’t know how people can keep falling into poor Dixie routine. She played the “southern dimwit” as an act and that Billy Corgan trial should have opened people eyes when she owed him on top of having someone max out credit with places and never paying them.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 17, 2019 16:57:40 GMT -5
Seeing as how the WWE is insanely petty, with stuff like Nacho Man, Huckster, Singing Jillian Hall, etc. Why didn't they make Lacey Evans "Dixie Evans" or Lacey Carter" to make fun of her? Seems like they would have roasted her at some point.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 17, 2019 17:26:08 GMT -5
Seeing as how the WWE is insanely petty, with stuff like Nacho Man, Huckster, Singing Jillian Hall, etc. Why didn't they make Lacey Evans "Dixie Evans" or Lacey Carter" to make fun of her? Seems like they would have roasted her at some point. Why would they? Ignoring TNA angered her more than anything they could say to acknowledge them
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 17, 2019 17:38:35 GMT -5
TNA responding to WWE on Twitter was always comedy gold. Glad to see it hasn’t changed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 21:11:13 GMT -5
Nice of Dixie to take a break from writing the 87th chapter of her erotic MVPxDixie fan fiction to tweet at Randy Orton.
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