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Post by Surfer Sandman on Mar 16, 2019 22:58:30 GMT -5
I just can’t get in to the Revival. Their gimmick does nothing for me. It’s like, I know they have good matches, but so what? Their act got lost in translation to the main roster. They were guys that weren't afraid to cheat, use every heel tactic ever to win and maintain their titles. Now, they're Ascension 2.0, except with the titles.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 16, 2019 23:00:40 GMT -5
Hey, Dash, spoiler alert: "Integrating" tag teams with the rest of the roster is how you get things like "Two main eventers who don't like each other get thrown together into a wacky championship team that kills the entire division".
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Post by bog on Mar 16, 2019 23:58:11 GMT -5
I’m still not sold on The Revival. They’ve had some great matches, but there’s kinda nothing to them as characters. It’s cool to have good matches, but if your whole thing is “we’re dudes who fight”, where’s the catch? Then other kick in the ass for the Revival was when they were out of action due to injury, the Bar came along and did the whole Revival thing themselves
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 17, 2019 0:03:09 GMT -5
Hey, Dash, spoiler alert: "Integrating" tag teams with the rest of the roster is how you get things like "Two main eventers who don't like each other get thrown together into a wacky championship team that kills the entire division". To be fair, I think he wants it to be done in a way where it doesn't tear down either side, which totally can be done. Bear in mind that last year saw The Revival defeat Roman Reigns and Bobby Lashley clean as a whistle, with Roman Reigns taking a PINFALL LOSS, and it managed to amount to diddly squat for them.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 17, 2019 1:02:39 GMT -5
Hey, Dash, spoiler alert: "Integrating" tag teams with the rest of the roster is how you get things like "Two main eventers who don't like each other get thrown together into a wacky championship team that kills the entire division". But it better reflects a time the Revival are a throwback to in the first place, where tag teams could be among the top stars of a territory and were considered big deals on their own. And right now, unintegrated, we've had the far more damaging disaster of "Braun Strowman beats the entire tag team division single-handledly" twice in the span of eight months
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 17, 2019 1:13:14 GMT -5
Hey, Dash, spoiler alert: "Integrating" tag teams with the rest of the roster is how you get things like "Two main eventers who don't like each other get thrown together into a wacky championship team that kills the entire division". Yep, who then drop the belts to a tag team, putting them over. Like, the short term can be a bummer, but the sun rose again after Michaels/Austin, or any of the other ones. It's a speed bump that has the longterm benefit of making it look like anyone in the company even wants the titles to begin with, something they are sometimes piss-poor about doing.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 17, 2019 13:00:27 GMT -5
Hey, Dash, spoiler alert: "Integrating" tag teams with the rest of the roster is how you get things like "Two main eventers who don't like each other get thrown together into a wacky championship team that kills the entire division". Yep, who then drop the belts to a tag team, putting them over. Like, the short term can be a bummer, but the sun rose again after Michaels/Austin, or any of the other ones. It's a speed bump that has the longterm benefit of making it look like anyone in the company even wants the titles to begin with, something they are sometimes piss-poor about doing. It took the tag belts two and a half years to get back to being important after Austin/Michaels. After Austin/Michaels was a vacant stint, then Austin/Dude Love, then vacant again, then a bunch of do-nothing reigns and an eternity of a "not quite there yet" New Age Outlaws. It wasn't until The Hardys/Dudleys/E&C thing caught fire in 2000 that the tag belts really meant diddly squat and when they finally DID again, it was because of dedicated tag teams.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 17, 2019 15:43:02 GMT -5
Having seen what the Revival look like as a featured upper card act in NXT, Im willing to say they should be working with guys higher up.
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Post by Tenshigure on Mar 18, 2019 13:20:36 GMT -5
The Tag division, not unlike the Cruiserweights, seem like a dumping ground for talent they can't find anything to do with. The biggest problem with the way the WWE books their dedicated Tag Teams is that they treat them as 'two parts of a whole wrestler' rather than two athletes complementing one another, as if the ends justifies the means of their existence and are a crutch to one another. IMO, the Revival wants to be seen as a viable threat that can go against even the top stars of the company that, if put in 'their environment' with a tag match, the singles stars can't come close. I don't see what's so ridiculous about that statement, because that's EXACTLY how it should be. If a few world champions want to take on The Usos, The Revival, The Bar, etc., you bet your ass they should be struggling to keep up with facing two world-class performers who know how to conserve energy while working off of eachother to maximize damage to their opponents. But no...once you're in a long-term team, your accomplishments prior (remember that Sheamus is a 5-time world champ) mean nothing. You're half the man you used to be!
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Post by Abdullah on Mar 18, 2019 14:20:05 GMT -5
The Tag division, not unlike the Cruiserweights, seem like a dumping ground for talent they can't find anything to do with. The biggest problem with the way the WWE books their dedicated Tag Teams is that they treat them as 'two parts of a whole wrestler' rather than two athletes complementing one another, as if the ends justifies the means of their existence and are a crutch to one another. IMO, the Revival wants to be seen as a viable threat that can go against even the top stars of the company that, if put in 'their environment' with a tag match, the singles stars can't come close. I don't see what's so ridiculous about that statement, because that's EXACTLY how it should be. If a few world champions want to take on The Usos, The Revival, The Bar, etc., you bet your ass they should be struggling to keep up with facing two world-class performers who know how to conserve energy while working off of eachother to maximize damage to their opponents. But no...once you're in a long-term team, your accomplishments prior (remember that Sheamus is a 5-time world champ) mean nothing. You're half the man you used to be! One funny thing happened last year: The Usos pinned both Bryan and Styles, pretty much clean, and it was just... not brought up. Still, I would say there's The New Day, The Usos and The Bar. WWE genuinely like those talents. After them, it's not just a dumping ground - it's where they put the people who are never on TV.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 18, 2019 17:55:23 GMT -5
Hey, Dash, spoiler alert: "Integrating" tag teams with the rest of the roster is how you get things like "Two main eventers who don't like each other get thrown together into a wacky championship team that kills the entire division". That's how the Bar started.... They hated each other and was feuding against each other and next thing you know, they became the Bar.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 18, 2019 18:21:21 GMT -5
I get what he's saying. If you look at teams like the Steiners and Road Warriors, they weren't restricted to the tag division. They'd mix it up with main event guys in tag action as well, and fairly regularly. Not just tags but singles as well. Look at Hawk, or even Ricky Morton during the mid-80s, where they were still part of viable top tag teams but were getting singles shots at the NWA title as well.
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