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Post by arrogantmodel on Mar 17, 2019 16:45:32 GMT -5
Yeah, the Ambrose/McIntyre match on Raw really makes me want to see them bring back the Hardcore Title now (without the 24/7 rules), some guys are just better suited in those kinds of matches. If need be, replace the US title with it or unify the men's Tag Titles to make room for it. McIntyre Ambrose if he's still around (I enjoy all of his in ring work, but hardcore matches is where he cut his teeth) Braun Bray Corbin Rowan Harper Hell, Roman Reigns Those guys would be a lot of fun to watch in that division. The big guys were awesome hardcore champs. Biker Taker was fun. Kane, Big Show, etc. Then guys who were nuts like RVD and Hardy. The Hardcore title definitely has a place on the roster. They're beating on each other with kendo sticks, fake trash cans and road signs, and gimmicked tables. It's not like guys have to kill themselves for it. News flash: Wrestling is fake. 😉
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 17, 2019 16:53:53 GMT -5
Everybody feeling important. Yeah, you knew that Al Snow or Val Venis wasn't going to beat Rock or whoever, but you believed that they could give them a fight. Wrestlers wearing signature outfits. Rock had the $500 shirts, Austin in the jorts, Triple H in jeans and leather hat. Edge & Christian in cool clothes and sunglasses, Jericho's crazy shirts, etc. This shows personality. Also unique ppv stages. And names like No Mercy, Unforgiven, Fully Loaded, etc. TLC, Elimination Chamber, and Hell in a Cell are lazy. Add to that, Cell matches being a big deal. Now we have Cell matches just because it's Fall. Also, and I know it's kind of a hot button, but...blood. Now, in no way do I want blood every other match, but you mean you can't have guys sell the brutality of the Cell and Chamber by letting the guys show some color once or twice a year? Hell, use fake blood for all I care, but it does add to intense feuds and matches. I think these are all easy fixes, but as we've seen week after week for years now, the people running the WWE don't give a f*** about what we want. Oh, and crazy crowds with signs everywhere. Now it's everybody recording shit on their phone. I just miss the "Can't Miss" WWE. Raw was like ppvs and ppvs were appointment viewing. And then you couldn't wait to see the repercussions on Monday night. This is my list pretty much.
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Post by Shai on Mar 17, 2019 17:43:01 GMT -5
Everybody feeling important. Yeah, you knew that Al Snow or Val Venis wasn't going to beat Rock or whoever, but you believed that they could give them a fight. Wrestlers wearing signature outfits. Rock had the $500 shirts, Austin in the jorts, Triple H in jeans and leather hat. Edge & Christian in cool clothes and sunglasses, Jericho's crazy shirts, etc. This shows personality. Also unique ppv stages. And names like No Mercy, Unforgiven, Fully Loaded, etc. TLC, Elimination Chamber, and Hell in a Cell are lazy. Add to that, Cell matches being a big deal. Now we have Cell matches just because it's Fall. Also, and I know it's kind of a hot button, but...blood. Now, in no way do I want blood every other match, but you mean you can't have guys sell the brutality of the Cell and Chamber by letting the guys show some color once or twice a year? Hell, use fake blood for all I care, but it does add to intense feuds and matches. I think these are all easy fixes, but as we've seen week after week for years now, the people running the WWE don't give a f*** about what we want. Oh, and crazy crowds with signs everywhere. Now it's everybody recording shit on their phone. I just miss the "Can't Miss" WWE. Raw was like ppvs and ppvs were appointment viewing. And then you couldn't wait to see the repercussions on Monday night. The lack of signature clothes thing has annoyed me for so long. If they're not in a match a wrestler shouldn't be stood around in their underpants, cutting promos etc. Daniel Bryan is the only one bucking this trend that I can think of at the minute. Pre injury he was an underpants promo guy though Hey Seth's skinny jeans are a signature look that I quite enjoy
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Post by Vincent Whiney on Mar 17, 2019 17:51:09 GMT -5
Larger than life guys. I can’t buy Seth or Styles or Bryan being able to keep up or beat a guy like Brock.
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Post by Shai on Mar 17, 2019 17:59:56 GMT -5
Larger than life guys. I can’t buy Seth or Styles or Bryan being able to keep up or beat a guy like Brock. Which is honestly hilarious to me in a sense because they've built up the narrative that those size guys are Brock's kryptonite. Seth called Heyman out on it Monday
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Post by joey joe joe junior shabadoo on Mar 17, 2019 18:20:33 GMT -5
The lack of signature clothes thing has annoyed me for so long. If they're not in a match a wrestler shouldn't be stood around in their underpants, cutting promos etc. Daniel Bryan is the only one bucking this trend that I can think of at the minute. Pre injury he was an underpants promo guy though Hey Seth's skinny jeans are a signature look that I quite enjoy Yeah he's alright actually. It's the underwear wrestlers that I have issue with usually
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 18:32:15 GMT -5
Realistic sounding commentary and promos.
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Post by ERON on Mar 17, 2019 19:04:59 GMT -5
Nicknames that were practically part of the guy's name, like "Macho Man" Randy Savage or Bret "the Hitman" Hart.
Heels that cheat to win.
No wrestlers secretly plotting in front of the camera as if it isn't there.
Backstage announcers saying "Back to you," instead of staring off into the distance when the interview ends.
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Post by captainhindsite on Mar 17, 2019 19:42:38 GMT -5
When someone is passing out and they do the three count with the hand going up and down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 20:08:05 GMT -5
One of the things I love about 2000 WWF when I revisit is how people have more than one feud/angle going at once. There are other examples of this, but just to name one, HHH was the champ and feuding with The Rock but he also had his own side thing going with Jericho because Jericho kept insulting Stephanie.
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 17, 2019 20:20:44 GMT -5
- Commentary that felt like actual sports commentary instead of self-promotion and catchphrases.
- Championship titles that looked unique and prestigious. I really don't like that 6 sets of championship belts share exactly 2 title designs between them with different colors, and I'm not really a big fan of either the World Championship or Tag Championship belt designs.
- Treating wrestling like it's a legit athletic competition. All the worked shoots and insider terms and jokes kill suspension of disbelief and take me out of the show. And they don't even do all this fourth wall breaking to enhance the product or make it more enjoyable. They do it to "work the marks." It's so stupid and petty.
- Championships actually being treated as worth a damn. The WWE Championship is the only belt that right now feels like it actually matters, though at least the US Championship is starting to get booked decently again thanks to Samoa Joe and the competitive scene that's formed around it. The Universal Championship is an absentee championship. The Raw Women's Championship is embroiled in one of the dumbest feuds in wrestling history. The Smackdown Women's Championship, all three tag championships, and the IC championship are complete afterthoughts.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 17, 2019 20:23:42 GMT -5
Heels that actually do something to cheat to win. So many times we get screwy finishes, it involves someone else getting involved to cost someone a match. Just have the heel use a weapon or low blow to win the match. Have them rip off a turnbuckle pad. Do something. That way, the face maintains their credibility while the heel gets heat AND can still come across as a threat.
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Post by Shai on Mar 17, 2019 20:24:08 GMT -5
We're slowly getting back there but I miss when there were no real defined lines between the main eventers, the mid-card and even the women. Everyone interacted with everyone. I especially missed the guys and girls interacting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 20:32:49 GMT -5
1. Uniform tag teams like the Road Warriors, Hart Foundation, Midnight Express, British Bulldogs, etc. Tag teams dressing alike to compliment each other rather than two guys thrown together just waiting to go back out on their own. Revival dresses the same. As do the Usos, the Bar, the New Day, Fandango and Breeze before the injury, the Ascension, AoP (who?), Heavy Machinery, Wyatts when they still existed. Chad Gable and Roode have the same gear too. Bailey and Sasha have had matching gear for a while, the Iiconics have their own look, as does any one who teams with Naomi (Glow uniform) What else do you need?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 20:39:56 GMT -5
In just WWE...actual characters with diverse looks and they came from kayfabe places which allowed for alot more fun creativly For example Now for the opposite end of the spectrum Both take place in an office ..well "office" for that first pic One has 4 guys backstage...maybe you notice Brauns beard out of the whole thing The other...3 masked luchadors and this is without even telling someone seeing it for the first time who or what they are Everything between these 2 pics are so far apart it almost becomes surreal , one pic your eyes are darting all over the place looking at the crazy lookin f***ers and also glancing at the desk and seeing interesting things and the other....4 guys and a curtain
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 20:45:06 GMT -5
The WWF Production/Action Center
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Mar 17, 2019 20:46:11 GMT -5
Full vignettes to introduce wrestlers and their characters, built over a couple of weeks.
The entire card of a ppv being revealed months in advance, and the TV's used to build to it. Whole segments in the studio analyzing the match-ups and promos from the wrestlers.
Saturday Night's Main Event. I know it happens now and then, but it's no different from the weekly TV's. Back then, you knew that whether it was a title change, a face/heel turn, etc., you knew something important was going to happen.
Jobber squashes. I didn't like it back then, but they were important to keep new matches between big names fresh.
Interview segments with elaborate sets.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Mar 17, 2019 21:27:39 GMT -5
1. Uniform tag teams like the Road Warriors, Hart Foundation, Midnight Express, British Bulldogs, etc. Tag teams dressing alike to compliment each other rather than two guys thrown together just waiting to go back out on their own. Revival dresses the same. As do the Usos, the Bar, the New Day, Fandango and Breeze before the injury, the Ascension, AoP (who?), Heavy Machinery, Wyatts when they still existed. Chad Gable and Roode have the same gear too. Bailey and Sasha have had matching gear for a while, the Iiconics have their own look, as does any one who teams with Naomi (Glow uniform) What else do you need? A more unique look?
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Post by Sam Punk on Mar 17, 2019 22:35:52 GMT -5
I miss the Mean Gene type backstage interviewer. It brought a sense of legitimacy to the show.
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Post by Paul on Mar 18, 2019 4:17:12 GMT -5
The "Insert interview done in front of a chromakey background with the wrestler's logo behind them" we'd get on WWF Superstars.
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