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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 18, 2019 22:49:16 GMT -5
I'd love to sit in on these meetings and find out why SDL is so much better than Raw, when Vince is hands on with both. Even the wrestlers say it's a much more relaxed atmosphere on Tuesday. I sincerely think it's a day of the week thing. Raw is the show getting frantically rewritten over and over because of Vince's insanity and his indecisiveness, he puts all hsi energy into it and vacillates all week on Raw because it's next and big and the priority. I think by the time Smackdown comes around, especially if there was a PPV the Sunday before, he doesn't have the same energy to be quite so insane with it, so Smackdown ends up being a show that remains laid out like it was supposed to be. He's more burnt out and not as able to stick his dick in the spot and throw everything off.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 18, 2019 22:52:18 GMT -5
I have to wonder, is this legitimately the worst booking leading into a Mania, at least in recent history? Because good grief, I don't even watch the shows, but trying to follow them in condensed results is a chore. I haven't felt like recent prior years have been much good either, but they never felt this counterproductive. You could usually at least argue that there was one gem of a story among the rest. This year though, there's just nothing. Also what interest there was once, has been so overbooked and become so convoluted that you just can't appreciate the journey anymore. I'm not sure I've ever seen them bungle things up this badly, when there were so many obvious easy hits on the plate.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 18, 2019 22:58:15 GMT -5
I have to wonder, is this legitimately the worst booking leading into a Mania, at least in recent history? Because good grief, I don't even watch the shows, but trying to follow them in condensed results is a chore. I haven't felt like recent prior years have been much good either, but they never felt this counterproductive. You could usually at least argue that there was one gem of a story among the rest. This year though, there's just nothing. Also what interest there was once, has been so overbooked and become so convoluted that you just can't appreciate the journey anymore. I'm not sure I've ever seen them bungle things up this badly, when there were so many obvious easy hits on the plate. It feels like all of the recent Manias have had their own share of booking woes, especially when it comes to the main events. 31 had Roman and Brock culminating with Tug of War, 32 had Roman and Hunter seemingly on a quest to kill every hot city WWE goes to in one month, 33 had the Roman/Taker/Braun nonsense while Seth was threatening to murder Hunter's kids, and we got Roman shooting on Lesnar for being a part-timer with special privileges last year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 23:00:03 GMT -5
we got Roman shooting on Lesnar for being a part-timer with special privileges last year. Let's give credit where it's due to, "Nakamura teases he's going to knee AJ and then he doesn't every single week for three months," and, "Cena bitches and moans about Undertaker owing him a match."
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 18, 2019 23:03:32 GMT -5
Finn's gonna have a decent night's sleep tonight, I suspect. Poor sod's been living out of a suitcase this entire past week and a half.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 23:10:09 GMT -5
Aside from a No Way Jose match and the initial dissapointment of finding out it’s Corbin, I just don’t see it. I’ve found Raw and the Mania build to be damn good the last three or two months. It ain’t setting the world on fire, especially when you’re told by a TV channel to run three hours every single week, but to me, it’s miles better than the 2018 Raws for damn sure.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 18, 2019 23:11:09 GMT -5
Well..you can always not watch it Exactly. Just change the channel or turn off the television. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Mar 18, 2019 23:15:46 GMT -5
The Corbin/Lashley/McIntyre trio might be the worst faction of all time. I challenge anyone to name a group that's been more damaging to a show ever. La Familia Mexican America
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Post by Dean-o on Mar 18, 2019 23:16:57 GMT -5
Wait a gawd damn minute I tuned out and did not catch the end of the shit show.....Rollins lost? 2 weeks away from Mania the man that is suppose to be being built up to possibly beat Lesnar...Lost? Makes sense. They have Daniel Bryan lose all the time, and he’s WWE Champion!
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 18, 2019 23:20:16 GMT -5
The Corbin/Lashley/McIntyre trio might be the worst faction of all time. I challenge anyone to name a group that's been more damaging to a show ever. La Familia Mexican America Nope. Bam Neely and Mexican Equivalent Chavo suck way less than the New Local Men.
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Post by Perd on Mar 18, 2019 23:26:36 GMT -5
Passive aggressive Charly is the best part of Raw.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 23:27:41 GMT -5
Passive aggressive Charly is the best part of Raw. "Sasha, Bayley, when are you going to stop being cowards and face The IIconics?"
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Post by sfvega on Mar 18, 2019 23:46:17 GMT -5
Well..you can always not watch it Yes, 100%. I haven't watched a full Raw in forever, and it's been great. I don't know how people sit through 3 hours of that live, unless you're there.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 18, 2019 23:49:38 GMT -5
For the first time in years I legit forgot it was on until like an hour and a half after the show started. I look forward to SmackDown every week and haven’t been able to watch more than an hour of RAW in ages. That’s the weird thing... If you look at it on the basis of individual shows, SmackDown’s doing well and 205 Live and the two NXTs are easy watches. But, somewhat unfairly, the fortunes of RAW tend to represent the fortunes of all of WWE, so if RAW isn’t good, then that’s taken to mean that WWE as a whole isn’t good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 23:51:01 GMT -5
Well..you can always not watch it You speak as though I actually made it through the whole thing. Even seeing it in chunks and reading the results it was a complete dumpster fire.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 18, 2019 23:57:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I’m back to work WrestleMania week, and after that I just don’t see myself watching Raw and SDL much for awhile. They’re a slog to get through, nothing really matters, and there’s way better things to do in the evening during spring/summer
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 19, 2019 0:35:24 GMT -5
I have to wonder, is this legitimately the worst booking leading into a Mania, at least in recent history? Because good grief, I don't even watch the shows, but trying to follow them in condensed results is a chore. I haven't felt like recent prior years have been much good either, but they never felt this counterproductive. You could usually at least argue that there was one gem of a story among the rest. This year though, there's just nothing. Also what interest there was once, has been so overbooked and become so convoluted that you just can't appreciate the journey anymore. I'm not sure I've ever seen them bungle things up this badly, when there were so many obvious easy hits on the plate. Especially with all that horseshit to start the year of "WE HEAR YOU, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE, THE THINGS YOU WANNA SEE HAPPEN ARE GONNA HAPPEN"!, and then they not only whiff on what they think fans want, they smack the Umpire behind them with a bat and put him in a coma. The McMahon angles were tiring in effing 2002, the overbooked shootfests are a disgrace, angles go nowhere, wrestlers are still caught in dead ends feuds and inconsistent booking and consistency on TV. And above all else, the product is STRAIGHT DULL, it's three hours of straight nonsense and the fact they can't write these shows coherently and there are massive rewrites as the show is going on really leads me to believe that they have absolutely no clue what they're doing anymore, and you have to wonder if they ever will again. This is the worst Mania build I have personally ever seen. They have made me uninterested in every single match on paper, whether immediately not being interesting or trying to WCW 2000 themselves into shoot works that completely kill the interest of anything going on, to the MAIN CHALLENGER OF THE CHAMPION losing basically clean (He got distracted like a dumbass and that's it, he's a dumbass) two weeks before he's supposed to believably challenge and beat the all conquering monster champion. What aspect of WWE is keeping fans around to watch? None that I can see, and none that others can either since their ratings and overall fan interest just continue to go in the shitter, and it doesn't take a genius as to see why. This is a wreck and it may never be fixed. Not with this regime, not with this booking. Any hope fans have now is AEW actually being a viable alternative, we'll wait and see on that, but it's already started doing things in the right direction for wrestling, can't really say the same about WWE right now.
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Post by BoomPeriod on Mar 19, 2019 0:49:06 GMT -5
Raw has been garbage for years. 50/50 booking. Same people fighting over and over. Same ole formula.
Example: if Joe is wrestling Balor at a PPV
Raw week 1: Joe + someone vs Balor + someone (tag team match) no one wants to see this (Joe and Balor only briefly interact.)
Raw week 2: Joe + Balor vs someone and someone (lets make the two guys feuding team up and see how it works) stale
Raw week 3: contract signing between Joe and Balor (ultra stale)
I'm sure others can come up with better exmaples but you know what I mean.
The backstage interviews, the look of the show. Nothing is exciting and unpredictable. Everything is sterilized.
The commentary is beyond horrendous.
Angles on Raw are mirrored on Smackdown and visa versa. (main event feud teaming together on raw, main event feud teaming together on smackdown.)
Scripted promos, wrestlers can't even remember their lines.
The in-ring wrestling is almost always sub-par.
Titles are hot-potatoed or insanely long runs that no one wants.
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 19, 2019 0:55:11 GMT -5
I missed Raw altogether tonight and I'm happier for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 1:35:22 GMT -5
Feels like we're on the road to Battleground.
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