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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 20, 2019 11:20:31 GMT -5
...it wasn’t a star factory? Then dsw and fcw truly were, boy Sheamus and Alberto sure captured the imagination of the people. I missed the part where I said either of those developmental promotions were good. All the WWE developmental feds until recently had an awful success rate when it comes to guys trained from scratch, which neither Alberto nor Sheamud were. You're acting like that big initial class was the norm for OVW under Davis as a trainer just to dump on Al Snow, when it just wasn't. Snow is an arse, but I don't see much point in pretending to see greatness elsewhere just to put him down. Because everyone who ran ovw before Snow, being Cornette, Davis, and Heyman helped ran the company efficiently and elevated guys to the main roster. Al killed OVW it’s a fact. Davis and Simon Dean both said that Trips took one trip down to ovw, saw what Al was doing and got pissed off, very soon ovw stopped being the developmental.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Mar 21, 2019 5:48:55 GMT -5
I didn't believe it was necessary the first time they did it, but the landscape has changed. Impact will probably need a pipeline of fresh places as other companies throw money around they can't compete with. Scott D'Amore and Lance storm's trainees would be a better bet for future stars though, but OVW run more shows they cam film matches to fill out Impact with. I think people overstate how great a trainer Danny Davis was, he's been there for most of OVW's life and they didn't exactly churn out stars for most of that time, or have we forgotten the endless CAW parade of guys OVW produced while under the WWE umbrella who only knew how to work one style of match? They were better than DSW and FCW but let's not wear rose tinted glasses and pretend every guy was a Cena or Lesnar. Randy Orton, Batista, Shelton Benjamin, Ziggler, Lashley just to name a few. Davis is the best trainer ever. It wasn’t Davis fault that the wwe chose garbage like Snitsky and Heidenreich. Hey! Snitsky and Heidenreich were great
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 21, 2019 8:59:08 GMT -5
I missed the part where I said either of those developmental promotions were good. All the WWE developmental feds until recently had an awful success rate when it comes to guys trained from scratch, which neither Alberto nor Sheamud were. You're acting like that big initial class was the norm for OVW under Davis as a trainer just to dump on Al Snow, when it just wasn't. Snow is an arse, but I don't see much point in pretending to see greatness elsewhere just to put him down. Because everyone who ran ovw before Snow, being Cornette, Davis, and Heyman helped ran the company efficiently and elevated guys to the main roster. Al killed OVW it’s a fact. Davis and Simon Dean both said that Trips took one trip down to ovw, saw what Al was doing and got pissed off, very soon ovw stopped being the developmental. Well, if Danny Davis points the finger at someone else for issues that happened in a company HE RAN, it must be true, it's not like he'd have any reason to pass the buck while trying to keep students coming, again, to the company he runs... oh wait. As for Nova, you know, the guy who even people who worked in WWE management considered a self serving weasel, gee, I wonder why he would pass the buck onto someone else for OVW's poor performance while he was Snow's boss. Seriously, both were Snow's superiors at OVW. If he was that bad, they could have gotten him canned and had a duty to the students, both paying and WWE sponsored to do so. They did nothing, but threw him under the bus after the fact for their own shortcomings, naturally. In any case, it doesn't change the fact Davis ran OVW since the early 90s and yet the big successes people point at were that first class. The company turned out more Boogeymen than Brocks, even without the WWE sending dregs and that wasn't Snow, Davis was there all along so should be credited with the mediocrity they so often produced.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 21, 2019 9:35:30 GMT -5
Abyss is still on the roster should says how much they update. Tommy Dreamer is a champion? Yeah that up and comer.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 21, 2019 10:06:28 GMT -5
Because everyone who ran ovw before Snow, being Cornette, Davis, and Heyman helped ran the company efficiently and elevated guys to the main roster. Al killed OVW it’s a fact. Davis and Simon Dean both said that Trips took one trip down to ovw, saw what Al was doing and got pissed off, very soon ovw stopped being the developmental. Well, if Danny Davis points the finger at someone else for issues that happened in a company HE RAN, it must be true, it's not like he'd have any reason to pass the buck while trying to keep students coming, again, to the company he runs... oh wait. As for Nova, you know, the guy who even people who worked in WWE management considered a self serving weasel, gee, I wonder why he would pass the buck onto someone else for OVW's poor performance while he was Snow's boss. Seriously, both were Snow's superiors at OVW. If he was that bad, they could have gotten him canned and had a duty to the students, both paying and WWE sponsored to do so. They did nothing, but threw him under the bus after the fact for their own shortcomings, naturally. In any case, it doesn't change the fact Davis ran OVW since the early 90s and yet the big successes people point at were that first class. The company turned out more Boogeymen than Brocks, even without the WWE sending dregs and that wasn't Snow, Davis was there all along so should be credited with the mediocrity they so often produced. Davis was just a trainer and had no say in management or booking, he lost a lot of power after the Santino slap fiasco that Cornette did. Dean was just in charge of hiring people. Al was put by the wwe to oversee the whole thing after the embarrassment that Greg Gagne did. Al was in charge of ovw at the time as mandated by the wwe and once Triple H traveled down to Ohio he killed it after watching the chickenshit operation Al ran. The students hated Al. Cabana and both Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins fell horror stories about their time in ovw. How can Davis be at fault if he can only train who the wwe signs? This was the Laurinaitis era of lingerie models and Ricky Ortiz.
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 21, 2019 11:59:50 GMT -5
Clicking on the wrestlers' pictures on the OVW roster page doesn't take you to a bio or gallery or anything else but slightly bigger version of the picture from the roster page.
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Post by Dragonfly on Mar 22, 2019 12:18:55 GMT -5
Justin Smooth pisses me off. According to the officially unofficial rules of wrestling, any wrestler named Justin who started during or after the Attitude Era must be connected to a pun. Examples include Justin Credible, Justin Angel, Justin Idol and Justin Sane. This guy isn't a pun! He's simply some dude named Justin! What the hell is that bullshit?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 17:14:16 GMT -5
Justin Smooth pisses me off. According to the officially unofficial rules of wrestling, any wrestler named Justin who started during or after the Attitude Era must be connected to a pun. Examples include Justin Credible, Justin Angel, Justin Idol and Justin Sane. This guy isn't a pun! He's simply some dude named Justin! What the hell is that bullshit? It's just inconsiderate
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 17:29:22 GMT -5
I’m not a big historian or fan of ovw, but Danny Davis and Jim Cornette trained and produced people who drew millions, now under Al Snow we have Cali and David Eye Eye Eye. You don't think Aamon and Zo has potential to be a World title feud?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 17:32:03 GMT -5
I didn't believe it was necessary the first time they did it, but the landscape has changed. Impact will probably need a pipeline of fresh places as other companies throw money around they can't compete with. Scott D'Amore and Lance storm's trainees would be a better bet for future stars though, but OVW run more shows they cam film matches to fill out Impact with. I think people overstate how great a trainer Danny Davis was, he's been there for most of OVW's life and they didn't exactly churn out stars for most of that time, or have we forgotten the endless CAW parade of guys OVW produced while under the WWE umbrella who only knew how to work one style of match? They were better than DSW and FCW but let's not wear rose tinted glasses and pretend every guy was a Cena or Lesnar. Randy Orton, Batista, Shelton Benjamin, Ziggler, Lashley just to name a few. Davis is the best trainer ever. It wasn’t Davis fault that the wwe chose garbage like Snitsky and Heidenreich. They also decided to take up Doug Basham & the Damajah, give them Linda Miles, and slap S&M apparel on all three of 'em. Nobody wanted to see that. That had to have violated a rule in the Geneva Convention.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 22, 2019 22:55:02 GMT -5
Randy Orton, Batista, Shelton Benjamin, Ziggler, Lashley just to name a few. Davis is the best trainer ever. It wasn’t Davis fault that the wwe chose garbage like Snitsky and Heidenreich. They also decided to take up Doug Basham & the Damajah, give them Linda Miles, and slap S&M apparel on all three of 'em. Nobody wanted to see that. That had to have violated a rule in the Geneva Convention. The Basham team was embarrassing because Basham and Damaja were blood enemies in OVW, and then...they made them brothers in WWE. Like, I know it's wrestling and all that, but having two guys who were mortal enemies in the development league and then throwing all of that out and making them brothers doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It worked with Edge and Christian because they knew each other so well and played off each other perfectly. It doesn't work with these guys. I'm in the camp of Danny Davis really knew what he was doing with the company, developed some of the hottest talent there, and and the shit with Cornett slapping Santino really started the downfall with WWE having to micromanage things there, and with the exception of that fantastic run of Heyman booking the company, it was all downhill.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 23:09:38 GMT -5
They also decided to take up Doug Basham & the Damajah, give them Linda Miles, and slap S&M apparel on all three of 'em. Nobody wanted to see that. That had to have violated a rule in the Geneva Convention. The Basham team was embarrassing because Basham and Damaja were blood enemies in OVW, and then...they made them brothers in WWE. Like, I know it's wrestling and all that, but having two guys who were mortal enemies in the development league and then throwing all of that out and making them brothers doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It worked with Edge and Christian because they knew each other so well and played off each other perfectly. It doesn't work with these guys. I'm in the camp of Danny Davis really knew what he was doing with the company, developed some of the hottest talent there, and and the shit with Cornett slapping Santino really started the downfall with WWE having to micromanage things there, and with the exception of that fantastic run of Heyman booking the company, it was all downhill. People assume that, just because it worked out for the Public Enemy, doesn't mean it's going to work out for every hot feud to turn into a tag team. It also didn't help that their main roster debut wasn't simply to take this blood feud that had gone on for months in OVW, but instead to make them this (literally) gimmicked tag team, and gave them a deadweight manager who couldn't work for beans. It was DOA. And you're right about how Danny Davis did know what he was doing with Ohio Valley; people just take a look at Deep South Wrestling and some of the other companies WWE micromanaged to hell and back, and those promotions barely produced squat in the grand scheme of things, and the talent that did come out of them only developed after going elsewhere and getting training from different sources. It is a miracle and a half Kenny Omega managed to amount to anything considering he's a DSW alumni.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Mar 22, 2019 23:28:06 GMT -5
Which one is the developmental territory?
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