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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Mar 23, 2019 8:40:22 GMT -5
Wrestlers laying on the ground that greatly adjust their position to take a move off the top rope. It's probably the #1 thing that will take my mind out of the match. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Bubba Ray Dudley is the absolute worst at this and telegraphing spots in general.
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 23, 2019 8:43:16 GMT -5
[/div][/quote]Honky was probably thinking "I better move quick or this clumsy idiot will land on my head"[/quote] I think you're right. With that match it could be seen as Honky trying to protect himself quickly rather than get in to proper place for the move to work.
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Post by Aceorton on Mar 23, 2019 12:27:10 GMT -5
Wrestlers leeching off other people's moments, like when Savage immediately ran in and smothered Jannetty/Kid after their title win in 1994. Get the f out of the ring.
Triple H's long-running habit (whether he's a heel or face) of slipping in unfunny burn attempts when someone is getting the better of him in a face-to-face promo.
Anybody other than Vince or Shane saying "in this very ring," and especially when Stephanie does it. That's not your line.
"WWE Universe," all instances.
Pointing at the WrestleMania sign.
Certain veteran guys almost always having numbers between 20 and 30 in the Rumble. It's so lazy. Dolph Ziggler's numbers in the last five Rumbles have been 30, 28. 24, 30 and 28.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 24, 2019 22:27:40 GMT -5
When people beat someone up, go up the isle or ramp, stop and turn around slowly and either smile evil or do an evil intense face. Or even stay in the ring and raise the belt they dont own and just stand there frozen. So unnatural.
Also, champions losing Non title matches for any reason, but especially to the dreaded music of rival coming on, roll up combo which gets more wins then any finisher ever.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Mar 26, 2019 15:13:36 GMT -5
Wrestlers laying on the ground that greatly adjust their position to take a move off the top rope. It's probably the #1 thing that will take my mind out of the match. In a weird subversion that's what makes RVD's twisting frog splash fun. I think I've said it before when a wrestler gets too beat up by a monster and wins. I need some fight back and some kick out attempts otherwise why isn't the ref stopping the match as someone is just laying dead until their comeback
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Post by chrom on Mar 26, 2019 15:42:13 GMT -5
Guy's got his submission finisher on an opponent only to let go and break the hold because someone jumps up on the apron or coming down the aisle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 16:14:51 GMT -5
When a wrestler is close enough to his partner to tag out but they are both pretending that they can't reach each others hands. It's one of the fakest looking things that I see on a routine basis.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Mar 26, 2019 16:27:49 GMT -5
Triple H's long-running habit (whether he's a heel or face) of slipping in unfunny burn attempts when someone is getting the better of him in a face-to-face promo. Ah see I love this, it's like Jerry Lawler's "Maybe YOU won't be around!" for me. Makes HHH look such a goober and always is hilarious for the wrong reasons. Like the Seagull Pop. On topic: When a guy works a bodypart the whole match then the other guy just straight up stops selling it when it's time for him to go on offence/comeback/do literally anything. One of the reasons I love Omega is because if you work his knee, dude sells his f***ing knee, even down to doing moonsaults on one leg and shit which is kind of dangerous but actually avoids breaking suspension of disbelief. Guys who don't sell emotions. I'm looking at you ZSJ, with your face like a Jack Dee episode of Shooting Stars. Guys doing moves they never do, just so the other guy can get his trademark cool counter/spot in. The "trade lots of quick holds/rollups then martial arts poseoff for cheap applause" spot. It was cool in the 90s when RVD & Jerry Lynn first did it but it's SO overplayed now and yet still indy guys love to pull it off to get an easy pop. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't generally the exact same set of sequences where it's "I armdrag you, now you armdrag me, I sweep you, you sweep me, I headlock you, neckscissors, you headlock me, neckcissors" like both guys are doing a synchronised dance. It's just a less flippy version of Ricochet & Ospreay's stupid synchronised gymnastics spot and really takes me out of the moment. Wouldn't be nearly as bad mind if one of those flash rollups EVER got a win- The only time I can ever think of this happening is Jerry Lynn vs Lance Storm.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 26, 2019 18:51:51 GMT -5
Finishing move obsolescence/escalation.
This is mostly a thing that Strong Style promotions are guilty of, but eventually every finisher loses effectiveness due to Iver use of near falls, so it gets replaced by a new one or a more damaging variation.
Take for example, Shingo, pre NJPW.
The Last Falconry basically started out looking like an Angle Slam, then when 4 of those stopped being close to a near fall, it got downgraded to a mid match move called "Original Falconry" and Last Falconry became the same move ending in a neck drop position.
That one didn't last long before suffering the same fate either, and got quickly replaced by Made In Japan, a slightly worse neck drop. And even that can't keep everyone down. Basically every finisher IN Dragon Gate or Noah succumbs to the same fate eventually.
Compare this to the Burning Hammer (which is my least favourite move due to inadvertently starting the head drop trend) Kobashi only used it 7 times in over 15 years. It was kept special as "this is my absolute last resort, the only way to keep you down is to destroy you." Imagine if it was done 3 times every single KK match. Noone in Japan would have a neck left at all, and noone would bat an eye when said death finisher was used.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Mar 26, 2019 21:28:00 GMT -5
One thing that has always bothered me is the idea of titles not changing hands on DQs and countouts. It makes absolutely no sense.
The title is the entire reason you are a wrestler. It is the top of the world. So after you win it, why would you fight anymore if you can't lose it by countout? Seems to me like anyone with a brain would come out, wait for the bell to ring, and then just leave. Or go one better and just punch the ref.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Mar 26, 2019 22:00:55 GMT -5
When a wrestler has a body part worked over the entire freaking match, selling accordingly, only to ignore it completely the last few minutes of the match for their comeback. Depending on the sell, I can forgive this as “adrenaline burst”, but it should only ever be used as a match ender. Period. And then in victory they better hard sell the shit out of it.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Mar 26, 2019 22:06:00 GMT -5
Music playing during a run in sneak attack.
Pre, mid or post match. I just hate it. Don’t kayfabe me the sound engineer sees dude running to the ring and hits his music. Its lame.
Its supposed to be an ambush. Let the crowds evolutionary organic response to what’s happening frame the moment.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 27, 2019 14:42:34 GMT -5
Nick Patrick is the worst offender for this, but a lot of refs do it, but I HATE the "kicking the heel's hands off the ropes" spot that refs do. It's such a grand-standing, attention stealing move. Just tell the wrestler to break the hold with the five count, or stop counting the pin.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Mar 27, 2019 21:54:43 GMT -5
Triple H's long-running habit (whether he's a heel or face) of slipping in unfunny burn attempts when someone is getting the better of him in a face-to-face promo. When a guy works a bodypart the whole match then the other guy just straight up stops selling it when it's time for him to go on offence/comeback/do literally anything. The worst example of this I think I've ever seen was Rey Mysterio versus Jack Swagger. Swagger spends the whole match working Rey's leg, setting him up for the Patriot Lock, and Rey sells his leg so much he's practically sandbagging Swagger. Then, all of a sudden, Rey hits his comeback sequence, 619, pin, all while no-selling his leg. Like, you spend half the match selling so hard that you actually make the other guy look bad, but suddenly you don't feel it because you need to get your shit in? Annoys me so much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 8:26:05 GMT -5
Nick Patrick is the worst offender for this, but a lot of refs do it, but I HATE the "kicking the heel's hands off the ropes" spot that refs do. It's such a grand-standing, attention stealing move. Just tell the wrestler to break the hold with the five count, or stop counting the pin. Any idea who started this? I remember Earl Hebner doing it in the late 80's/early 90's and getting a big pop for it, then noticed that other refs started doing it as if they thought they would get a pop for it.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 28, 2019 10:43:23 GMT -5
Nick Patrick is the worst offender for this, but a lot of refs do it, but I HATE the "kicking the heel's hands off the ropes" spot that refs do. It's such a grand-standing, attention stealing move. Just tell the wrestler to break the hold with the five count, or stop counting the pin. Any idea who started this? I remember Earl Hebner doing it in the late 80's/early 90's and getting a big pop for it, then noticed that other refs started doing it as if they thought they would get a pop for it. Nick Patrick is the first guy I remember seeing do it, but that's because I was a WCW kid, so I have no idea if it originated with him or not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 14:11:31 GMT -5
Any idea who started this? I remember Earl Hebner doing it in the late 80's/early 90's and getting a big pop for it, then noticed that other refs started doing it as if they thought they would get a pop for it. Nick Patrick is the first guy I remember seeing do it, but that's because I was a WCW kid, so I have no idea if it originated with him or not. Just saw a ref do this to Moose Monroe on All Star Wrestling 10-6-79 in a match against Larry Zbyszko. It's funny because Vince and Bruno bitch about it for the rest of the match.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Apr 2, 2019 14:30:33 GMT -5
When someone is cowering in the ring when a big monster heel is after them instead of LEAVING THE DAMNED RING.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 14:55:26 GMT -5
Nick Patrick is the worst offender for this, but a lot of refs do it, but I HATE the "kicking the heel's hands off the ropes" spot that refs do. It's such a grand-standing, attention stealing move. Just tell the wrestler to break the hold with the five count, or stop counting the pin. Any idea who started this? I remember Earl Hebner doing it in the late 80's/early 90's and getting a big pop for it, then noticed that other refs started doing it as if they thought they would get a pop for it. Oh you can just add Earl 'PAY ATTENTION TO ME' Hebner to this thread in general.
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